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Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 12:00:39 PM   
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Santorum: Satan is Systematically Destroying America
The Religious Bigotry Of Rick Santorum
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...back in 2008, while a senior fellow of the neoconservative Ethics and Public Policy Center, we got a glimpse of what it is that is so churning under Rick Santorum's public face. In a speech, he quietly explained to students at Ave Maria University, in Naples, Florida that Satan, the "Father of Lies", is destroying America. Part of Satan's effort, according to Santorum, has been to so transform the mainline Protestant churches in America - that they are no longer even Christian.

This may come as a surprise to the 45 million people of the member communions of the National Council of Churches, such as The Episcopal Church, the United Methodist Church, the United Church of Christ and the Presbyterian Church (USA).
But Santorum's view that the mainline churches have gone the way of Satan is unambiguous - as is his suggestion that his own Catholic Church remains Satan free.

From the transcript of his speech at Ave Maria University:
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Now you'd say, `wait, the Catholic Church'? No.

We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it.

I cannot recall any major pol challenging the legitimacy of anyone's religious traditions in the U.S. - let alone demonize some of the central religious traditions in the history of the country. This is of a piece with the far right attacks on Muslims, atheists and Jews - and should be denounced in the same terms.

This is what religious bigotry looks like.

I am reminded of the Southern Baptist Convention preacher who told my father that he could not join his Southern Baptist Convention church without first publically admitting his "sin" of being an ordained American Baptist Convention minister.

It appears that, in Santorum's eyes, all non-Roman Catholics are in the thrall of Satan and only Roman Catholics are truly Christian. Or that he sincerely believes that I, a follower of Jesus Christ for over 45 years but non-denominational, am as much, or as little, a Christian as our frequent Forum contributors who are atheists.

(Actually, I would prefer their company to Rick Santorum's company. )




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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 12:10:24 PM   
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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 12:10:48 PM   
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its because of beliefs like his that I AM an atheist/agnostic

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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 12:13:05 PM   
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First off, Santorum cannot even speak coherently.  I have to reread his words four or five times to get any sense out of them.  Weird that such a powerful man can't communicate.

My interpretation of his inanity is that he's saying that academia has now been taken over by Satan, the Protestant church is under attack, but the Catholic church remains pure.

"And so academia, a long time ago, fell.

And you say "what could be the impact of academia falling?" Well, I would have the argument that the other structures that I'm going to talk about here had root of their destruction because of academia. Because what academia does is educate the elites in our society, educates the leaders in our society, particularly at the college level. And they were the first to fall.
And so what we saw this domino effect, once the colleges fell and those who were being education in our institutions, the next was the church. Now you’d say, ‘wait, the Catholic Church’? No. We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it. So they attacked mainline Protestantism, they attacked the Church, and what better way to go after smart people who also believe they’re pious to use both vanity and pride to also go after the Church."
The idiot needs a translator to make sense out of his ravings.


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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 12:17:45 PM   
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The "idiot" is supplanting Romney as the front runner in the Republican nomination process....which tells me we have a hell of a lot of other idiots running around

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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 1:19:54 PM   
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It has occurred to me that we may need to take another look at the mental health system in the US, regardless of payment plan.

First and foremost, they need to remove "run for political office" from the list of potential vocations for those being of less than psychologically stable constitution, as they are released from treatment.




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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 2:35:41 PM   
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I don't think any Christians are Christians anymore. Christianity has undergone so many transformations--both in the distant and recent past--that it is more akin to an evolving set of loose guidelines than it is a rigid set of beliefs.

That being said, I don't think very many Christians (or Jews) want to live by the Deuteronomic code.

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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 4:02:09 PM   
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Jesus Christ said it was harder for a rich man to get in to the kingdom of heaven than for a camel to get through the eye of a needle.
I would then postulate he meant you couldn’t be a rich man and a good Christian at the same time. I wonder what he would say to the enormous fortune the Catholic Church has amassed over the centuries. It also makes me laugh when people like Santorum and Romney stand up and spew out garbage about their so called Christian values.
By the way, I don’t believe in any of that crap. Religion has caused more misery, wars and strife than any other things through history.

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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 4:05:51 PM   
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Why do politicians spout this B/s just to get elected ? IF he actually thinks this is true, fingers crossed he never gets to lead the worlds most powerful nation.

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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 5:17:53 PM   
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Jesus Christ said it was harder for a rich man to get in to the kingdom of heaven than for a camel to get through the eye of a needle.
I would then postulate he meant you couldn’t be a rich man and a good Christian at the same time.





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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 5:36:44 PM   
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Why do politicians spout this B/s just to get elected ? IF he actually thinks this is true, fingers crossed he never gets to lead the worlds most powerful nation.

IMO, Santrum does not "spout this B/s" just to get votes.

Santorum "spouts this B/s" because he truly and sincerely believes it.


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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 5:47:53 PM   
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Like so many rightwingers, Santorum seems to be stringing together the 'coded' phrases that their thinktanks have established as plausibly (not in legal but in psychosocial context) deniable if they're challenged on content, but that key into psychosocial 'identity' triggers within certain target demographics. Taken as straighfoward statements, he should have alienated huge blocs of protestant-christians, and he spent much of his recent face-time on national media crawfishing desperately away from that.

But it's his twisted efforts to stuff those often contradictory 'coded' statements into his stump rhetoric that makes them in sequence almost unintelligible to anybody who isn't among the nuts and dupes in his 'target' voting blocs. It brings to mind, perhaps, the biblical tower of Babel narrative, in which the people no longer spoke the same language. For example, is "socialist" a red-russian commie, or anybody to the left of Rove? And since when did the Nazi "fascists" become socialists? It took decades and billions in propaganda to change the very language in which the rightwing voting blocs spoke and thought. What you're seeing in the incoherence of their demagogues' rehtoric is the result of that; they've inculcated a different mental paradigm, full of self-contradictory premises, etc, and it doesn't make coherent sense to an neutral outside observer.

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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 8:16:56 PM   
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And since when did the Nazi "fascists" become socialists?

I have been given two different explanations by Rightists:

(1) The Nazi Party's German name (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei), when translated into English (National Socialist German Workers Party), includes the word "Socialist" in it. Since Socialists are considered today to be Left-wing, that means that the Nazis under Hitler were Left-wingers, not Right-wingers.

(2) Political ideology is circular, not linear. If you keep going to the Right, eventually you go around to where you’re actually now of the Left.


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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/19/2012 8:17:22 PM   
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I would then postulate he meant you couldn’t be a rich man and a good Christian at the same time.


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It'll all be there when you're done and wish to return to being rank assholes.
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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/20/2012 3:32:55 AM   
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Why do politicians spout this B/s just to get elected ? IF he actually thinks this is true, fingers crossed he never gets to lead the worlds most powerful nation.

IMO, Santrum does not "spout this B/s" just to get votes.

Santorum "spouts this B/s" because he truly and sincerely believes it.




Which is probably worse. How can a man with those views lead a nation and not be biased towards sections of it ?

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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/20/2012 6:43:07 AM   
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Why do politicians spout this B/s just to get elected ? IF he actually thinks this is true, fingers crossed he never gets to lead the worlds most powerful nation.

IMO, Santrum does not "spout this B/s" just to get votes.

Santorum "spouts this B/s" because he truly and sincerely believes it.




Which is probably worse. How can a man with those views lead a nation and not be biased towards sections of it ?

Short answer Polite.....he can't...hence he scares me.The new "Santurom Presidency Culture wars"would tear this country apart.

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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/20/2012 6:49:43 AM   
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Short answer Polite.....he can't...hence he scares me.The new "Santurom Presidency Culture wars"would tear this country apart.


I don't know if it would really be a change.
I look at the attitudes and beliefs of the South, and I can't see how that part of the US can be part of the same nation as the West and NorthEast. Maybe it would be better to finish the job the civil war started, and split the nation into parts that are less acrimonious. Given the rage, including use of guns, from some folks regarding their political beliefs, getting the sane parts of the US out of the picture might be better for everyone.
Plus, without the tax base of California and New York, the rump US wouldn't be able to afford to start wars or maintain nukes, so the world would be a more peaceful place.

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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/20/2012 8:07:07 AM   
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Ahhh,yes..let us voluntarily dissolve the Union,thereby losing the heritage that Lincoln and all of those who died secured for us.
Yeah,that would work

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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/20/2012 8:16:24 AM   
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Why do politicians spout this B/s just to get elected ? IF he actually thinks this is true, fingers crossed he never gets to lead the worlds most powerful nation.


China is breathing down our necks and we owe them a LOT of money...but that's another thread. Hi cutie!

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RE: Santorum: All non-Catholics aren't Christians anymore - 2/20/2012 8:23:19 AM   
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Short answer Polite.....he can't...hence he scares me.The new "Santurom Presidency Culture wars"would tear this country apart.


I don't know if it would really be a change.
I look at the attitudes and beliefs of the South, and I can't see how that part of the US can be part of the same nation as the West and NorthEast. Maybe it would be better to finish the job the civil war started, and split the nation into parts that are less acrimonious. Given the rage, including use of guns, from some folks regarding their political beliefs, getting the sane parts of the US out of the picture might be better for everyone.
Plus, without the tax base of California and New York, the rump US wouldn't be able to afford to start wars or maintain nukes, so the world would be a more peaceful place.

1. You might want to have an actual looksee as to the actual physical location of "Hate Groups" "White Supremacist Groups" and "Christian Dominionists" before you start making blanket statements about us "Poor Racist Right Wing Southerners". You might be surprised as to their physical location.

After all, where do Santorum, Bachman and Palin hail from?

2. What the FUCK is 'the rump US"?



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