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Owner59 -> Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 6:21:05 AM)

"Unemployment rate hits 8.3 pct. after hiring burst

Employers went on a hiring spree in January and drove down the unemployment rate for a fifth straight month to 8.3 percent, its lowest point in nearly three years.

The result pointed to a resurgent job market, and it sent stock futures surging. The Dow Jones industrial average futures, which were flat before the report, jumped more than 100 points.

The economy created 243,000 net jobs in January, the most in nine months, and the unemployment rate fell two ticks."




Yachtie -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 6:33:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

"Unemployment rate hits 8.3 pct. after hiring burst

Employers went on a hiring spree in January and drove down the unemployment rate for a fifth straight month to 8.3 percent, its lowest point in nearly three years.

The result pointed to a resurgent job market, and it sent stock futures surging. The Dow Jones industrial average futures, which were flat before the report, jumped more than 100 points.

The economy created 243,000 net jobs in January, the most in nine months, and the unemployment rate fell two ticks."




It should also be noted that January saw the largest decrease in history of the Labor Participation Rate.

it appears that the people not in the labor force exploded by an unprecedented record 1.2 million. No, that's not a typo: 1.2 million people dropped out of the labor force in one month! So as the labor force increased from 153.9 million to 154.4 million, the non institutional population increased by 242.3 million meaning, those not in the labor force surged from 86.7 million to 87.9 million. Which means that the civilian labor force tumbled to a fresh 30 year low of 63.7% as the BLS is seriously planning on eliminating nearly half of the available labor pool from the unemployment calculation. As for the quality of jobs, as withholding taxes roll over Year over year, it can only mean that the US is replacing high paying FIRE jobs with low paying construction and manufacturing. So much for the improvement.

BLS chart

CBO says otherwise about the unemployment rate -
"Had that portion of the decline in the labor force participation rate since 2007 that is attributable to neither the aging of the baby boomers nor the downturn in the business cycle (on the basis of the experience in previous downturns) not occurred, the unemployment rate in the fourth quarter of 2011 would have been about 1¼ percentage points higher than the actual rate of 8.7 percent" translation: CBO just admitted that the BLS numbers are bogus and real unemployment is 10%.


Breaking out the champagne as things are improving may be a bit premature.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 7:11:05 AM)

The county next to me (Washington, TN) just released their numbers and it's 6.6% because of new job creation, not people dropping out.

I saw this and wondered how long it would take the RNC spin machine to start trying to make a sows ear out of a silk purse.

Typically, January shows an increase in umenployment as seasonal jobs expire. The stock market just had their best January in about a decade as well.

If the economy improves through the summer, Romney is toast. If it stays stagnant or retreats a bit, he has a chance in the general.




SternSkipper -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 7:43:40 AM)

I'll have to contact that company that makes the Baseball team logo toasters and see if they want to make a little extra cash flow.
maybe they could even open a new facility and add jobs with the new Romney Is Toaster.
Just to add insult to injury.





Trismagistus -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 8:03:45 AM)

huh, maybe I'll have a job soon after all, it was getting a little hopeless there for a while, good news.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 8:05:44 AM)

Don't count your chickens before they hatch Stern. It's a loooong time till november.




MrRodgers -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 10:05:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

"Unemployment rate hits 8.3 pct. after hiring burst

Employers went on a hiring spree in January and drove down the unemployment rate for a fifth straight month to 8.3 percent, its lowest point in nearly three years.

The result pointed to a resurgent job market, and it sent stock futures surging. The Dow Jones industrial average futures, which were flat before the report, jumped more than 100 points.

The economy created 243,000 net jobs in January, the most in nine months, and the unemployment rate fell two ticks."


It should also be noted that January saw the largest decrease in history of the Labor Participation Rate.

it appears that the people not in the labor force exploded by an unprecedented record 1.2 million. No, that's not a typo: 1.2 million people dropped out of the labor force in one month! So as the labor force increased from 153.9 million to 154.4 million, the non institutional population increased by 242.3 million meaning, those not in the labor force surged from 86.7 million to 87.9 million. Which means that the civilian labor force tumbled to a fresh 30 year low of 63.7% as the BLS is seriously planning on eliminating nearly half of the available labor pool from the unemployment calculation. As for the quality of jobs, as withholding taxes roll over Year over year, it can only mean that the US is replacing high paying FIRE jobs with low paying construction and manufacturing. So much for the improvement.

BLS chart

CBO says otherwise about the unemployment rate -
"Had that portion of the decline in the labor force participation rate since 2007 that is attributable to neither the aging of the baby boomers nor the downturn in the business cycle (on the basis of the experience in previous downturns) not occurred, the unemployment rate in the fourth quarter of 2011 would have been about 1¼ percentage points higher than the actual rate of 8.7 percent" translation: CBO just admitted that the BLS numbers are bogus and real unemployment is 10%.


Breaking out the champagne as things are improving may be a bit premature.

A very good historical measure as to just how big a mess the repubs and 'W' left this country. There isn't anything that Obama has done to slow the economy but there is obvious and substantial evidence the senate repubs have done all that they can.

I love those people who say they want smaller govt., get [it] out of our lives but want jobs and look to blame Obama (govt.) for not using govt. policy...to create those jobs. Hypocrites...all of them.

The CBO BTW says that since 2009...over 3 million jobs created and as of 12/11 unemployment was 8.5%. Nowhere do I find that the CBO disputes BLS or has suggested that unemployment is 10%.

That's 3 million since inauguration. or about 36 months. That comes to 83,333 jobs/mo. recovering from the worst recession in at least 30 years and maybe in 80 years. But then of course in Washington, we don't have any conservatives...only politicians.

After the 8 years of 'W' starting with a better economy and with a federal surplus used them to cut some $4 trillion in taxes...created only 7 million jobs total in 8 years or 72,916 jobs/month.




MrRodgers -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 10:08:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

I'll have to contact that company that makes the Baseball team logo toasters and see if they want to make a little extra cash flow.
maybe they could even open a new facility and add jobs with the new Romney Is Toaster.
Just to add insult to injury.



...but in China.




Yachtie -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 10:51:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

That's 3 million since inauguration. or about 36 months. That comes to 83,333 jobs/mo. recovering from the worst recession in at least 30 years and maybe in 80 years. But then of course in Washington, we don't have any conservatives...only politicians.



From Market-Ticker:
I wish I could take this report, pick it apart at the household level, and find confirmation. Remember that last month the alleged 200,000 jobs that were gained were a phantom; when one looked inside the household data we found instead deterioration in both the employment participation rate and a decline in the absolute number of employed persons, while population rose. That is, the actual counts (as opposed to black-box statements) said that the labor picture deteriorated in December, contrary to the reported numbers.

This month it was worse. Far worse.


Keep believing those Obama numbers, Mr.Rogers. Keep believing.




popeye1250 -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 1:28:48 PM)

So what is happening if those figures are correct?
Are the high-paying manufacturing jobs beginning to come back from China and will they pay good wages like before?
How about "NAFTA?" Are those manufacturing jobs comming back from Mexico and will they be paying the same wages (adjusted for inflation?)
In this state (SC) the job situation is still in the dumpster! I was talking to my (Firefighter) brother tuesday night in Massachusetts and he said even for a car salesman job there's a waiting list. "Everyone's on unemployment."
And look at what happened to the unemployment figures after they hired all those hundreds of thousands of census takers?
Are we no longer "outsourcing" jobs in the U.S.? They're all coming back now?
Where exactly are all these jobs poping up at, which states, cities?
It'd be one thing if we were opening more steel plants and refridgerator, washer, dryer plants or something similar. All that stuff is in *Mexico* now not the U.S.
And just what kinds of jobs are these that Washington is claiming to see? Are they "government" jobs or high-paying jobs in manufacturing?
You can't just trust (the government) to tell you the truth especially when "politics" is concerned!
It sounds like you guys are taking what govt. is saying at face value and not asking any questions.
So you're "convinced?"




SternSkipper -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 2:16:23 PM)

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You can't just trust (the government) to tell you the truth especially when "politics" is concerned!
It sounds like you guys are taking what govt. is saying at face value and not asking any questions.
So you're "convinced?


Get off the dial-up Pops! You're gonna miss Newt's call telling you you've been selected as a first tier Lunar Colonist,





SternSkipper -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 2:26:58 PM)

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...but in China.


... you bought the Yankees toaster




LaTigresse -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 2:30:38 PM)

I enjoyed watching Newt try to twist and dance about this a while ago in an interview.




slvemike4u -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 2:34:54 PM)

The vision of these men,applicants for the most powerful job in the world,the Office with the most concentrated seat of power,going from state to state,hat in hand as supplicants would be ammusing were it not tragic.
Each state told how it's own unique set of problems,desires and wants will be fulfilled upon successful completion of the campaign in question.....fucking pathetic.The very worst system in the world,other than every other one,that is [:)]




provfivetine -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 2:39:32 PM)

This is all due to Helicopter Ben. Next comes price inflation.




SternSkipper -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 2:42:45 PM)

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Helicopter Ben


Was that the Character he played in the NEW "Thomas The Tank Engine, Veritas Edition"?




SternSkipper -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 2:45:07 PM)

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huh, maybe I'll have a job soon after all, it was getting a little hopeless there for a while, good news.


Jokes aside, I wish you luck my friend. It's not fun being in that boat for too long.





Trismagistus -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 7:17:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

quote:

huh, maybe I'll have a job soon after all, it was getting a little hopeless there for a while, good news.


Jokes aside, I wish you luck my friend. It's not fun being in that boat for too long.





it's been close to a year now, I and my sub are literally living with my mom while I donate plasma to make ends meet, I can't think of a worse situation that doesn't involve referring to a cardboard box as my porch 0_0:




Lucylastic -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 7:29:41 PM)

Trimagistus....Seriously .... Good luck, homeless is no walk in the park, well it is if you live in the park. *still got the scars*
I hope you get the job thing soon.




SternSkipper -> RE: Unemployment drops for 5th straight month down to 8.3 (2/3/2012 10:23:10 PM)

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it's been close to a year now, I and my sub are literally living with my mom while I donate plasma to make ends meet, I can't think of a worse situation that doesn't involve referring to a cardboard box as my porch 0_0:


That IS a tough situation balance-wise. PM Me.... I might have a few suggestions.





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