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This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 2:44:01 AM

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Girl, six, is savaged in a dog attack

A six-year-old girl is in hospital after part of her ear was bitten off by a dog.

The child also suffered injuries to her neck and shoulder when she was mauled by the animal in a park in Chingford, Essex.

Police said the unprovoked incident happened at about noon on Saturday at Pole Hill, Woodberry Way, in front of the girl's parents and her younger brother.

She was taken to a hospital in Essex for surgery, where she is said to be in a "comfortable" condition.

Officers and paramedics arrived at the scene soon after the attack, but the dog and the man with it had gone, the Metropolitan Police said.

A spokesman said "all possible steps" were being taken to trace them.

Full article: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/girl-six-savaged-dog-attack-040535941.html

People who don't respect the law need to be placed in a situation where they fear it.

Such people where they seriously maim, injure or cause the death of other people as a result need to be removed from society - if necessary permanently.

Anyone remember all those pits and coalmines closed down in the 1980's because they were unprofitable?

Isn't it time we reopened them for the irresponsible anti-social thug elements in our society?

I reckon 20 years of daily 14 hour shifts down the pit sounds a decent sentence and might act as deterrent.

Thoughts and comments welcome.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 3:38:22 AM

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Although your premis is sound it does raise questions, once again as with most of these situations I have to ask where was the girls parents to keep her away from said dog?

Are you advocating the removal from British law of the Human Rights Act?

Finally, how can we respect the law when it no longer respects society?

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 3:50:02 AM

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This is why we need gulags.

I imagine the gulags should be somewhere intensely cold? The best I can think of is the Scottish highlands as they get pretty cold in winter, unless of course a certain A. Salmond gets his way...

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 3:52:01 AM

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mate you haven't been to Colchester now that place is cold!

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 3:56:16 AM

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Although your premis is sound it does raise questions, once again as with most of these situations I have to ask where was the girls parents to keep her away from said dog?

Are you advocating the removal from British law of the Human Rights Act?

Finally, how can we respect the law when it no longer respects society?

Good points.. thanks.. Now I see the knee jerk.. Uncomfortable.. but there you go.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 4:02:06 AM

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I actually agree with the premis btw I live in an area with a very strong BNP support & I have been telling the stormtroopers for years to sort the white underclass out before pointing fingers at other cultural groups. as I've told Gothy when I get in a blackdog mood I do go on chav hunts.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 4:21:59 AM

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as I've told Gothy when I get in a blackdog mood I do go on chav hunts.

String 'em up by the gibbet, staged for entertainment in Wembley Stadium. Its the only language they'll understand... and the revenue from selling tickets will off-set their scrounging off the State.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 4:25:18 AM

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Lol just before Christmas I got laid off & in a very pissed off mood I went down town looking for a rumble. 2 chavs, supposedly hard nuts point blank refused. The bastards!!!

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 4:28:55 AM

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The story in your link has been updated. Given that he turned himself in, I think you overacted a tad.

Scotland Yard said a 56-year-old man had walked into Chingford police station and was arrested on suspicion of allowing a dog to be dangerously out of control in a public place.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 4:30:49 AM

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if you knew the underlying social problems these feckless dipshits cause Kali you probably wouldn't say that.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 5:03:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: stellauk
People who don't respect the law need to be placed in a situation where they fear it.

Such people where they seriously maim, injure or cause the death of other people as a result need to be removed from society - if necessary permanently.

Anyone remember all those pits and coalmines closed down in the 1980's because they were unprofitable?

Isn't it time we reopened them for the irresponsible anti-social thug elements in our society?

I reckon 20 years of daily 14 hour shifts down the pit sounds a decent sentence and might act as deterrent.

All joking apart, I think you are right to be angry at things like the above, and there is a good deal worse that has happened too where for example people behave with a blithe disregard to the lives of others and don't feel any remorse when something extremely tragic happens, intentionally or not. Whilst instituting gulags would be pretty draconian lol, I think an important point that needs to be generally acknowledged that fear is one of the motivators that encourages people to abide by laws, although it is politically incorrect to do so. Law enforcement has become too mild mannered which may explain in part why fictional characters like Gene Hunt that represent the past in the police are now seen as heroic.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 5:07:27 AM

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Sooooo... we are now talking about protecting the civil liberties at the expense of those we deem less deserving. Personally I'm all in favour with this social sub strata.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 5:11:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: stellauk
People who don't respect the law need to be placed in a situation where they fear it.

We have an weird contest in The Netherlands called pole sitting in a lake or canal. I guess that it originated as a survival practice: When there is a flood and only poles rise above the water, people to survive must be able to sit on such poles for long times until either the water subsides or they are rescued.

I am a proponent of closing the prisons at least during clement weather and to have the inmates instead try to break records at pole sitting. Pole sitting sentences to be doubled for each subsequent offense.

It would be the end of littering and noisy neighbors and other asocial people and habits.

On the other hand, it would be even better if women would decline to reproduce with such asocial people.

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Such people where they seriously maim, injure or cause the death of other people as a result need to be removed from society - if necessary permanently.

Umm, that is for a judge to evaluate and decide, not so?

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 5:18:47 AM

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I see it as a question of balance - how much power will a given society afford those that enforce the law? Traditionally they had more power which did of course lead to abuses. Now it could be argued that it has gone too far to the other side, to such an extent that the police in many Western countries are commonly perceived as weak and ineffectual.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 5:21:07 AM

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I had a snide a few yrs back at a cop, & said the army fight police actions the police are social workers & social workers do fuck all.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 5:24:22 AM

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There was a time of Draconian laws in Athens, when death was the penalty for stealing a cabbage. Yet cabbages were stolen. Certainty of punishment works. Severity is merely emotion made policy. The appropriate course is marked out by what you are trying to accomplish. If you are trying to create a civilized society the bludgeon is the wrong method.

In England there are few weapons, and most seem to like things that way. Yet the thought that one bite is quite enough thanks very much Andy... for some reason seems not a national law.

How do you identify a dog that bites? What characteristic are we talking about? And is that not the problem to be solved.? And do you somehow teach a dog not to bite? How?

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 5:33:39 AM

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You lost me there Frostie.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 5:37:07 AM

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Sooooo... we are now talking about protecting the civil liberties at the expense of those we deem less deserving. Personally I'm all in favour with this social sub strata.

So you're joining them?

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 5:42:39 AM

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Why? You fancy trying to take away my civil liberties?

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 5:44:29 AM

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There was a time of Draconian laws in Athens, when death was the penalty for stealing a cabbage. Yet cabbages were stolen. Certainty of punishment works. Severity is merely emotion made policy. The appropriate course is marked out by what you are trying to accomplish. If you are trying to create a civilized society the bludgeon is the wrong method.

I agree that laws can easily be draconian and oppressive but at the same time punishments relative to the offense need to be severe, and seen to be severe. I still can't get over how someone who callously murdered his wife quite near where I live, and then tried his best to cover it up, got 6.5 years with absolutely no mitigating circumstance.

Similarly the police can't be seen as weak or a soft-touch because no matter how civilised a society is, there will always be a substantial contingent that refuse to abide by the most reasonable rules.

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How do you identify a dog that bites? What characteristic are we talking about? And is that not the problem to be solved.? And do you somehow teach a dog not to bite? How?

I think it wasn't so much that the dog did bite but rather that the owner didn't fulfill his obligation of due care in public: "Scotland Yard said a 56-year-old man had walked into Chingford police station and was arrested on suspicion of allowing a dog to be dangerously out of control in a public place." Indeed its a fairly common sight to see people leaving big dogs off leads who then go on to behave aggressively.

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I had a snide a few yrs back at a cop, & said the army fight police actions the police are social workers & social workers do fuck all.

Good one. Whenever passing a police station, demand to see the "Community Relations Officer" for a "chat" and a cup of Twinnings, as a member of said "community"...

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