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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 6:04:48 AM   
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How do you identify a dog that bites? What characteristic are we talking about? And is that not the problem to be solved? And do you somehow teach a dog not to bite? How?

All dogs may bite. Just as all people ought to be educated in raising offspring, so all people from a very young age ought to be educated in dog behavior.


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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 8:43:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any dog will bite when abused.

A canine that does not recognize a child as being part of his pack will defend all those he considers part of his pack from the loud, obnoxious, stick wielding, gremlins.  Looks with a dog's eyes..

You don't walk your dog around screaming kids if you can avoid it.
You don't let your kids run up to a dog without the owner being there to control it.



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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 9:01:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		All good points, but few people know how to "read" a dogs behaviors (facial, posture, etc.) well enough to interpret when their advances are not desired or appropriate.

I agree, we all need to learn how to do this, and teach humans (big and little), how to respect animals, understand pack dynamics and mentality, and not just barge into their surroundings or physical space & body, willy nilly, by touching, petting, etc.

Any dog mayl bite when abused, threatened, anxious, fearful, insecure, over-excited, or aggressive. It it's got teeth, it can bite!

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 9:11:46 AM   
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You are correct about the dog owners, incorrect about the parents, regarding requisite training for either.

Having that, I will now controvert myself in saying that better parenting should beget better dog owners. But laws are made for stupid people, with bad parenting, which we cannot prevent, as it would go against nature. However painful evolution is at times (especially in these times), we must let flow the course of things. Mankind has attained the ability to stave off the inevitable collapse of the "undeserving" (by nature's measure, not man's).

Hence we now have the tail of the financial industry wagging the dog of all of society and all matters economic, while society has lost focus on the simple expedient of saying "SIT!"

The OP mentions a case of a dog mauling a child, but this is old news, centuries old, in fact. The irresponsibility of the putative 'owners' reflects upon much of what goes on in the world today. Larry Blankfein walks free, while many pension funds and millions of retirees  wonder WTF happened. This also, is a centuries-old phenomenon, yet people stupidly ask; "how could this happen?"

They can read, but they can't learn. My own experience in academia has proven this beyond doubt.

Too bad that a dog did not maul and kill the little girl that grew up to be the bitch that accomplished the currency debt swap that Goldman Sachs did for Greece that the fuckwit Germans took as basis for allowing them into the Euro.

We carp about dogs and their owners (me especially, on that last point), yet we as a society fail to see to see that this same phenomenon exists in all aspects of the world.

They send us to the voting poles to choose which dog we want in the fight.


Talk about irresponsible dog owners ...   






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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 9:13:32 AM   
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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 9:18:37 AM   
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if you knew the underlying social problems these feckless dipshits cause Kali you probably wouldn't say that.


Well I didn't get to read the original article before it was updated to say that the man turned himself in. That kind of implies taking responsibility and knowing right from wrong.

If the man was someone like the guy who let his dog attack LadyConstance and her dogs and other people, then yes, Gulag for him.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 9:36:01 AM   
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Complete & utter jibberish.



Such a forceful argument for eugenics, you are.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 9:37:58 AM   
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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 2:28:27 PM   
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Complete & utter jibberish.



Such a forceful argument for eugenics, you are.



Gulags and eugenics. And people wonder why we keep repeating mistakes of the past. Old ideas never really leave.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 2:54:18 PM   
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You miss the point.

Not unexpected.









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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 5:12:44 PM   
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You miss the point.

Not unexpected.










No, I got it. And sent one back.

I understand your thought that he was a person who is an example of someone not fit to live. And I also saw that was your way of showing your disdain. I saw that and looked past it and made a much broader remark in return.

Maybe you were kidding and you simply have a dark humor.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 7:56:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		A cousin-in-law's daughter was tremendously burned by a molotov cocktail that was pitched into the house and landed on her. She is fine, many surgeries and years of rehab later. I am thinking "gulag" is not a bad fate for the people that got away with nearly killing her, and certainly meant harm to everyone in the house.



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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 8:01:59 PM   
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blacksword

I understand your thought ...



I understand you, and thanks for your patience.

I do not agree entirely with the OP's sentiment on the issue she speaks of, but there is sufficient merit enough in her argument that I let the gulags thing go. Or maybe I didn't, I forget which now.

Sorry to invoke the Godwin's law thing here, but we are always asked if we would kill Hitler in his youth if we had the chance. Eugenics fighting eugenics, as it were.



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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 8:17:50 PM   
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Or truly, railing against pointless tragedy.

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 8:29:26 PM   
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A cousin-in-law's daughter was tremendously burned by a molotov cocktail that was pitched into the house and landed on her. She is fine, many surgeries and years of rehab later. I am thinking "gulag" is not a bad fate for the people that got away with nearly killing her, and certainly meant harm to everyone in the house.




Did they catch the bastard?? What was said asshole's "reason" for tossing it??

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RE: This is why we need gulags. - 1/22/2012 8:40:29 PM   
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blacksword

I understand your thought ...



I understand you, and thanks for your patience.

I do not agree entirely with the OP's sentiment on the issue she speaks of, but there is sufficient merit enough in her argument that I let the gulags thing go. Or maybe I didn't, I forget which now.

Sorry to invoke the Godwin's law thing here, but we are always asked if we would kill Hitler in his youth if we had the chance. Eugenics fighting eugenics, as it were.




Cool.

With the moral slide people are on theses days (and suppose it continues) ,once it gets to the point that the majority are criminals it will be the law abiding that will end up in prison. Either by the will of the criminals or by their own in an attempt to protect themselves.

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