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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 12:14:12 AM   
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Thats going to be interesting to watch
Of course you are supposing that he is going to win in nnovember

If the application has been denied and tossed, are they going to wait for a NEW one with a new location, new environmental studies etc? , or resurrect the old one as it stands now?
Obviously Im only asking for your opinion.
WHat that means BTW
"Saudi Arabia is more of a friend than Canada"
Is that they have more money


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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 12:31:58 AM   
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I think he has a pretty good chance of winning, its not like the Rs have much to offer so far... If the Rs win instead, same result tho.. it doesnt matter who wins, both will try to get the pipeline back on track.. I hope Canada moves forward with the pipeline to Kitamat instead, no need to line more American pockets than necessary..

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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 12:39:03 AM   
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I dont disagree with you regarding the election:)
I have to admit, I havent gone into much research*yet* about Kitamat.
Life gets in the way of my interests way tooooo much:)

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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 1:04:11 AM   
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Kitimat is a deep water port so supertankers can dock there.. The pipeline has its opponents too, of course.. but imo, its the better economic choice for Canada..

The US is losing its position as the leading super power,.. it will at some point be surpassed by China... The rest of the world sees this.. Its in Canada's best interest to increase trade with China (& other countries) instead.. imo..

http://economyincrisis.org/content/poll-us-losing-leading-superpower-status
http://arabnews.com/opinion/columns/article485530.ece


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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 1:36:00 AM   
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Thanks for the links

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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 1:37:09 AM   
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quote:

how quickly people forget that nearly all the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis


....and belonged to an organization that hates Saudi Arabia second only to the U.S.

Point????

quote:

how quickly people forget that nearly all the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis


....and belonged to an organization that hates Saudi Arabia second only to the U.S.

Point????

Due to bin Laden's continuous verbal assault on King Fahd of Saudi Arabia, on March 5, 1994 Fahd sent an emissary to Sudan demanding bin Laden's passport; bin Laden's Saudi citizenship was also revoked. His family was persuaded to cut off his monthly stipend, $7 million ($10,400,000 today) a year, and his Saudi assets were frozen.[97][98] His family publicly disowned him.

In 1996, al-Qaeda announced its jihad to expel foreign troops and interests from what they considered Islamic lands. Bin Laden issued a fatwa (binding religious edict),[114] which amounted to a public declaration of war against the U.S. and its allies, and began to refocus al-Qaeda's resources on large-scale, propagandist strikes. In June 1996, the Khobar Towers bombing took place in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, attributed to al-Qaeda

In 2007, around the sixth anniversary of the September 11 attacks and a couple of months before Rationalizing Jihad first appeared in the newspapers,[90] the Saudi sheikh Salman al-Ouda delivered a personal rebuke to bin Laden. Al-Ouda, a religious scholar and one of the fathers of the Sahwa, the fundamentalist awakening movement that swept through Saudi Arabia in the 1980s, is a widely respected critic of jihadism.


Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/al-qaeda#ixzz1jtdHJlka




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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 1:50:31 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

how quickly people forget that nearly all the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis


....and belonged to an organization that hates Saudi Arabia second only to the U.S.

Point????

and they are the only ones, huh? The US govt considered OBL a friend also, they trained him, after all..

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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 1:52:19 AM   
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Again, point?

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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 2:07:16 AM   
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a country that is a breeding ground for terrorists is not a country i would consider a friend.. but of course thats jmo,.. dont let that stop you from cozying up to them..

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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 2:51:18 AM   
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Its funny that Republicans are going through all this trouble and headaches over something worth $7 Billion dollars. Why not agree to some of the stuff Democrats want to do (say, improve on the Affordable Care Act of 2010) in exchange for getting this project through? Oh forgot, Republicans cant be seen helping either the President or the bottom 99% of Americans BEFORE the election. I think the Republicans right now hold the track record for costing America jobs. And they are responsible for making sure new jobs are not created (Otherwise, they would have passed the President's Jobs Bill two months ago...).





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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 5:08:12 AM   
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Those "environmentally sensitive lands" are already criss-crossed by 25,000 miles of pipelines.
To think that a couple hundred miles of new state-of-the art pipeline is a big deal is, at best, ignorant.

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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 5:10:22 AM   
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apparently only to you
so, yanno
we will take that for what its worth

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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 5:22:31 AM   
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quote:

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a country that is a breeding ground for terrorists is not a country i would consider a friend.. but of course thats jmo,.. dont let that stop you from cozying up to them..

lol

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/trail/etc/canada.html
http://www.adl.org/terror/tu/tu_0401_canada.asp
https://www.google.com/search?q=terrorists+Canada&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a



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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 7:48:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

apparently only to you
so, yanno
we will take that for what its worth

In other words....ignore completely !
That's my take on it anyway

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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 10:20:52 AM   
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Mike I was reading my morning news about the proposed pipe line and to my surprise I found out there is already an existing keystone pipeline that originates from the same location and goes midway through Texas and also a branch that goes west to east through Missouri. It does not go through sensitive areas.

If they need a larger or different type of pipe why don’t they just parallel the existing line. They most likely already own enough tight of ways and the area is already researched for geological problems. It seems a no brainer to me.

Yes it does head somewhat east then south and it would be a few hundred miles longer but would have little environment impact… or at least much less.

I wonder how come this has not been proposed or at least mentioned?

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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 11:52:37 AM   
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I wonder why they just don't build refineries as they are needed in Canada rather then building this pipeline?
Butch


This was my first thought on it, too.

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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 12:03:04 PM   
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https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Foreign_trade_zone

This is why they are bypassing several midwestern refineries, or the half the distance to the west coast refineries.



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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 12:37:14 PM   
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Not according to the State Dept.

Regarding economic, energy security, and trade factors, the economic analysis in the final EIS indicates that, over the remainder of this decade, even if no new cross-border pipelines were constructed, there is likely to be little difference in the amount of crude oil refined at U.S. refineries, the amount of crude oil and refined products such as gasoline imported to (or exported from) the United States, the cost of crude oil or refined products in the United States, or the amount of crude oil imported from Canada. . . . The analysis from the final EIS, noted above, indicates that denying the permit at this time is unlikely to have a substantial impact on U.S. employment, economic activity, trade, energy security, or foreign policy over the longer term.
The State Department concludes that “it would not be reasonable to suggest the pipeline would cause an increase in employment or other economic activity by increasing crude oil imported into the United States.”

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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/19/2012 12:42:43 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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a country that is a breeding ground for terrorists is not a country i would consider a friend.. but of course thats jmo,.. dont let that stop you from cozying up to them..

lol

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/trail/etc/canada.html
http://www.adl.org/terror/tu/tu_0401_canada.asp
https://www.google.com/search?q=terrorists+Canada&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

LOL The US is the one that let 19 terrorists in on 9/11, not to mention having a few US born homegrown ones..

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RE: Keystone pipeline: U.S. government set to reject pr... - 1/20/2012 10:52:36 PM   
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The simplest, truest points are, imo:

1. US refineries are operating, basically, at capacity and will continue to do so with or without the pipeline.
2. Oil is sold on the open market, so no large savings "at the pump" could be expected solely fro the existence of the pipeline.

BUT:

3. It is undeniable that there would be tens of thousands of new jobs necessitated by the construction of the pipeline.
4. It is also undeniable that the pipeline would ensure a far more secure and stable supply than we currently have.

Political suicide. The guy just hates oil.

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