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Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 3:42:03 AM   
MichelleKneels


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Status: offline 		I have never posted anything in here before, but since I've found several people here who have the same goals in life as me, I thought it was time to speak out.  I'm a genetic male in the slow ( very slow ) process of transitioning to being a woman.  Part of this transitioning involves taking certain medications to block my production of testosterone, but because of a recently discovered liver problem, this might not be possible.  It isn't a huge problem and can be easily controlled, but the interference of blockers may cause the problem to worsen or morph into something worse.  And this leads me to the central subject of this post.  One of the easiest and relatively cheapest ways out of this little problem is for me to have a bilateral orchiectomy done and if you don't know what that is, you will soon!  In a word, it means being castrated.

I've done a lot of reading and researching on the subject and like a lot of us, am now very aware of all the changes that will come after the fact, so there is no point going over that ground again.  Speaking for myself, I'm all for it for maybe silly reasons as well as the logical reasons.  I want to be able to cross my legs like a real lady without that sudden twinge of discomfort as one of those pesky little things gets slightly squashed.  I want to be able to wear tight jeans and shorts and a swim suit without all the trouble of tucking everything up out of the way.  And I've seen many pictures of other girls who have had the job done and I really like the look.  That's all the seemingly "frivolous" stuff out of the way.  Now for the other stuff.

I want to hear back from girls who have had it done, want it done, are thinking about having it done.  I already know about the physical things that will follow having an orchi done.  ( What's that you say?  My little dick mightn't work ever again?  Fffttt..big deal!  )  I'm more interested in the mental and emotional things that will follow.  I would like to know more about the calmness that many Orchid Girls say they experience, a sense of serenity as some of them have described it.  I have also read that some of them may report a lack of libido or a complete disinterest in sex, but also may feel more affectionate to the main person in their life.

I want to know about these things because as someone who wants to lead a life of committed submission to another, I need to know if it will enhance my submission in anyway.  Will i become more compliant?  Will I be more obedient?  Will my feelings of wanting to please others be enhanced?  I want to be that other person I dream of being.  I want to be able to wear clothes and makeup and shoes and a hairstyle that will reinforce my femininity.  I want my demeanor to reflect all of me that I can be as a female, but it would all be for nothing if I wasn't of value to someone as a submissive as well.  I'm not sure if I have made my point as clear as I might have.  I tend to wander off on all sorts of tangents when I write something like this, but I think you may have got the core meaning of what I'm trying to say.   And if you did and if you are of a similar mind as me concerning this topic, I would love to hear your views.
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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 4:31:39 AM   
xxblushesxx


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Status: offline 		I tried reading it, but I couldn't get past the bright pink to focus on the words. (it's very difficult to read)

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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 4:49:53 AM   
seababy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

I tried reading it, but I couldn't get past the bright pink to focus on the words. (it's very difficult to read)


Same. I had to hilight the text so I could read it. That pink is quite hard to read.

To the poster - I don't fall into the catagory of people that you want feed back from but I hope we hear from some, this could be an interesting thread. Maybe some other lurkers out there? Come on in the waters fine.



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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 4:57:43 AM   
GreedyTop


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Status: offline 		Hmm.. lemme do some searching. It seems to me that someone, recently, posted some interesting and informative links related to this,... back in a bit! lol

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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 5:04:58 AM   
GreedyTop


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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 5:23:19 AM   
MichelleKneels


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Status: offline 		I'll try another color..black!  I'm such an original thinker.

I have never posted anything in here before, but since I've found several people here who have the same goals in life as me, I thought it was time to speak out.  I'm a genetic male in the slow ( very slow ) process of transitioning to being a woman.  Part of this transitioning involves taking certain medications to block my production of testosterone, but because of a recently discovered liver problem, this might not be possible.  It isn't a huge problem and can be easily controlled, but the interference of blockers may cause the problem to worsen or morph into something worse.  And this leads me to the central subject of this post.  One of the easiest and relatively cheapest ways out of this little problem is for me to have a bilateral orchiectomy done and if you don't know what that is, you will soon!  In a word, it means being castrated.

I've done a lot of reading and researching on the subject and like a lot of us, am now very aware of all the changes that will come after the fact, so there is no point going over that ground again.  Speaking for myself, I'm all for it for maybe silly reasons as well as the logical reasons.  I want to be able to cross my legs like a real lady without that sudden twinge of discomfort as one of those pesky little things gets slightly squashed.  I want to be able to wear tight jeans and shorts and a swim suit without all the trouble of tucking everything up out of the way.  And I've seen many pictures of other girls who have had the job done and I really like the look.  That's all the seemingly "frivolous" stuff out of the way.  Now for the other stuff.

I want to hear back from girls who have had it done, want it done, are thinking about having it done.  I already know about the physical things that will follow having an orchi done.  ( What's that you say?  My little dick mightn't work ever again?  Fffttt..big deal!  )  I'm more interested in the mental and emotional things that will follow.  I would like to know more about the calmness that many Orchid Girls say they experience, a sense of serenity as some of them have described it.  I have also read that some of them may report a lack of libido or a complete disinterest in sex, but also may feel more affectionate to the main person in their life.

I want to know about these things because as someone who wants to lead a life of committed submission to another, I need to know if it will enhance my submission in anyway.  Will i become more compliant?  Will I be more obedient?  Will my feelings of wanting to please others be enhanced?  I want to be that other person I dream of being.  I want to be able to wear clothes and makeup and shoes and a hairstyle that will reinforce my femininity.  I want my demeanor to reflect all of me that I can be as a female, but it would all be for nothing if I wasn't of value to someone as a submissive as well.  I'm not sure if I have made my point as clear as I might have.  I tend to wander off on all sorts of tangents when I write something like this, but I think you may have got the core meaning of what I'm trying to say.   And if you did and if you are of a similar mind as me concerning this topic, I would love to hear your views.

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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 5:52:13 AM   
xxblushesxx


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Status: offline 		Thank you OP, that's much easier to read! (I like pink too, but it can be difficult to use as text)
That being said, there are a few transgender people who post on the boards, but unfortunately, not that many. I did a quick google search for tg forums and found a few where you *may* get more and better answers.
http://www.tgboards.com/
http://www.susans.org/forums/index.php
http://www.lauras-playground.com/forums/index.php?act=idx

p.s. Please forgive me if I am misusing the word transgender. I am not entirely familiar with all the terminology.

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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 7:08:43 AM   
NiceButMeanGirl


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Status: offline 		I'm not a transgender person myself, but I'd have no problem whatsoever having a a transgender person as a submissive whether they were pre- or post-op either one. As a matter of fact, we're corresponding with a TG woman right now.

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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 9:24:36 AM   
OttersSwim


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Status: offline 		I am by no means an expert on this...however.  No matter where you go, there you are as goes the saying from our friend Buckaroo Banzai.

I think that certainly changing you hormone balance will affect a bit how you think.  However,. I also believe that it will not change anything so significantly that having it done would suddenly make you a better submissive.  In fact, it might remove you from consideration from some as they are looking for sexual interaction as part of their relationships.  That is not to say that this is not something you should not have done as everyone must follow their own path to authenticity and self in their lives, but something to add in to you considerations.




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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 10:40:38 AM   
stellauk


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I am on the journey, one which used to dominate my entire life and everything in it, but now not so much.

There are things I wanted. I wanted my own child, simply to satiate this maternal instinct inside me, I wanted to carry a developing embryo inside my body, and to give birth to a complete human being who I would love unconditionally and care for and protect to the end of my days.

But I cannot have this. I cannot even menstruate, let alone get pregnant.

I am doing this journey for one reason - to be me, the happy, complete, whole me.

Not to be concealed inside another person who everybody thought was me which is how it once was. How can you be happy in such a situation? How can you appreciate that someone loves you when all they perceive is the other person?

There came a time when I didn't want to continue living if all it meant as if I was going to be perceived as someone I'm not. I mean, what is the point of living if you cannot be yourself and other people just can't see it?

I contemplated suicide a few times, then I realized that suicide would be defeat, I would be proved wrong, and besides, I would only be remembered as someone else, not as who I am in reality.

But that maternal instinct within me still runs strong, and so there came acceptance and the realization that as long as I keep on trying and working, then I will be me.

Then.. I am me. This is the whole point. I am me, I always have been me, I have no desire to become anyone else because I like the me that I am..

It's not me that has to change. All that changes is the parts of me which suggest I am that other person, and how I am perceived by others.

Yes there are things I still want. I want some of the things that other people take for granted. What is it like to be so close to someone, to love them, and for them to love you, and to express that love together in a bed physically?

What does it feel like to be loved psychologically, emotionally, physically, and for all the sensations and emotions and feeling to be in harmony? What does it feel like to have an orgasm, to be held, kissed, caressed, to enjoy making love with that other person?

Can you imagine the fear of becoming close to someone as you yourself for them only to reject you for the parts of that other person or because they see you as that other person?

How would you feel if someone became attracted to you for the part of your body that you feel doesn't belong to you and the part you would like to lose? Do you know how it feels when someone is attracted to just a part of your body and disregards the rest of you? How would that make you feel?

But you know, you have to keep your perspective. Yes it is uncomfortable to have to tuck it away, and there's stuff that you cannot wear.

Welcome to womanhood. This to me is no different from the pantyhose you buy in your size and then when you put it on you have to keep pulling them up when no one's looking and the whole time they threaten to drag your underwear down to your knees. This is no different to learning or understanding that just because you're female and the item of clothing is also female you can't wear it because you don't look right in it.

But then again there's women out there who also cannot conceive, there's women with boobs much bigger than they would like, there's women who have real problems with facial hair and body hair, women with big feet, and I'm quite sure there's a few women reading this who know what it's like when someone is attracted to just one part of your body.

There's women who cannot have sex, who cannot easily orgasm, women for whom sex is painful, women who have been raped and abused that they will probably never have sexual intercourse again for the rest of their lives.

I am as female as I'm ever going to be, no amount of hormones or surgery is going to change this. Even if I haven't completed my whole transition I can still function as a woman, relate to others as a woman, submit as a woman, and love someone else pretty much as anyone else.

I compensate all that waiting and not knowing by the fact that it only needs one person - the right person - to bring something special into my life. Am I really losing out that much? I don't think so.

Thankfully there are other people who realize this. It's important not to get sidetracked by the details or let what you don't have ruin your life.

You only have one life, a life which is probably shorter than you think. I personally feel that we should make the best of it, because some opportunities don't happen a second time around.

ETA: But then again I'm of the opinion that people make being transgendered a much bigger issue than it is in reality. Try not to be one of those people.

< Message edited by stellauk -- 1/8/2012 10:42:45 AM >

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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 5:21:00 PM   
xxblushesxx


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Status: offline 		Oh Stella.
Thank you for being perfectly, imperfectly you.
The world is more lovely for you and others with beautiful souls.
Thank you for letting us be a little part of your life.

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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 5:53:21 PM   
LadyHibiscus


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Status: offline 		Stella, you are amazing and wonderful.

OP, if your eventual goal is bottom surgery, I don't see the issue--can you work it all in now, or don't you qualify?

Our hormone levels affect us profoundly, but not predictably. Life is shorter than we expect. Consider yor health first.

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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 6:40:31 PM   
hausboy


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Status: offline 		Stella, you are so lovely!
I think that sums it all up perfectly.

I recommend you start here:  http://www.gender.org/aegis/
I know a few folks on the board, it is a reputable organization, and I also suggest:  http://www.trans-health.org/  and  http://www.wpath.org/
Both of those groups are highly reputable and have been driving trans-related health research in the U.S.

I know more transgender folks that I could ever count--and every configuration of hormones, no hormones, top surgery, bottom surgery, etc. under the sun. For some, they had surgery...were happy...and felt it improved their quality of life.  For others, they wish they hadn't.  For some, they spend their whole lives with surgery as a goal....and then others decide to just deal with the challenges and save their money for something else.  The one thing I do know: surgery is a personal decision, and it is far from one solution fits all. --male or female, surgery *is* about tradeoffs.

I'll use myself as an example--I used to have really sensitive nipples.  I didn't *discover* it until about 6 months before my surgery, but they turned out to be a huge erogenous zone, and I could orgasm just from my girl playing with them.  (I know, I know...what a pisser I didn't figure this out sooner!)  Anyhow, I knew that once I had chest surgery, I would likely lose all sensation in my chest, including any sexual/sensual/erotic feeling.  A close friend (MTF) had the same situation--she had extremely sensitive nipples too, and like me, could orgasm from the slightest touch to them. She knew that once she had implants, it might affect this sensation.

But in the end, it was out of personal necessity.  I wanted to be able to go shirtless in the summer, swim, change my shirt in a parking lot or locker room without worry.....I wanted to be able to just wear one shirt, and not a three tees, a compression shirt or binder....and I just couldn't stand having them anymore--it felt awful, unnatural and burdensome. (thankfully, they were just "A" cups.)

The result?  We both had chest surgery---mine removed, hers added. We both lost all ability to feel any erotic sensation in our nipples.  In my case, it was worth the loss, a good tradeoff.  I have no regrets about it--I wish I had more feeling there, but glad I had it done.  For her, she told me that she wishes she hadn't done it--the loss of erotic sensation really affected her sex life/sex drive.  Her friend had hers done--she was thrilled. 

So OP:  no one can tell you if surgery is the right option for you.  It may have a positive effect on some subs, and help them feel sexier, be more submissive, etc. and others may have the exact opposite.  Same surgery, different people.  Good luck!




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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 7:39:07 PM   
NiceButMeanGirl


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Status: offline 		I just did some googling on the prices of SRS and it just about floored me. I knew it was expensive but wow.

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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 8:02:52 PM   
hausboy


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Status: offline 		hey NBMG

don't know which one you googled...but here's the other thing: it's never just one surgery.

For the guys, SRS can be a series of 1-2 chest surgeries (usually 1 surgery....but a lot of guys have to get a second revision) and for the lower surgeries, it can be anywhere from 2 to 4 surgeries, sometimes more.  For the women-- usually 1 chest surgery, 1-2 lower surgeries depending on procedure.....then you have vocal cord surgery, facial reconstruction, hair removal....the list goes on.

And unless you are a city employee of San Francisco, one of the few places in the country (U.S.) that covers SRS surgery, for the overwhelming majority of us....it's cash only out of pocket.

Nothing like getting prepped for surgery, while they ask you: " Will that be cash, check or charge?" 

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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 8:13:40 PM   
LadyHibiscus


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Status: offline 		A friend got all her work done in Thailand...much cheaper, and though I was aghast, it was state of the art treatment and she had no complications.

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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 8:25:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

A friend got all her work done in Thailand...much cheaper, and though I was aghast, it was state of the art treatment and she had no complications.


There are lots of good places outside the US...there's an excellent SRS Center in Montreal.... and there are a few in Europe that are gaining popularity.  There are always risks---I can't imagine taking an international flight post-op..... and if you have complications, you'll have to find a surgeon here who is familiar with the techniques used.

Many docs use their own techniques--(many years ago, you could tell which doc did a guy's chest by the scar/suturing) and many surgeons will work on revisions/corrective surgery, they charge you a fortune. (whereas the original surgeon will sometimes give a reduced rate for revisions)   A few years back, I had a friend that had to go back to Canada to get a urinary issue resolved--the docs here were completely baffled by the work he had done and had no idea what to do with him.

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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/8/2012 8:46:33 PM   
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RE: Orchid Girls. - 1/15/2012 6:44:23 AM   
strawberryshake


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Status: offline 		I had a bilateral orchiectomy done last year and i dont believe that i underwent any of the major emotional or psycholgical changes that many say they experience. I did however experience an increased level of comfort with my body. I also have had no issues with achieving or maintaing erections post surgically, this seems to completely depend on the dosage of spironolctone i'm taking.

It seems that results vary greatly.

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