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Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 12/29/2011 2:46:10 PM   
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"Iowa G.O.P. on Guard Against Voting Disruptions"

Under the guise of trying to "protect" against voting disruptions from OWS-Iowa protesters,Iowa GOP officials are moving the vote counting to a "secret location".

Secret?

Anyone could steal the election and who would know?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/iowa-g-o-p-on-guard-against-voting-disruptions/?ref=politics

"They have alerted the police and local party officials about concerns that some people may try to disrupt the caucuses, state party officials said.

They have also decided to tally the votes reported from the precincts at an undisclosed location instead of at party headquarters. Candidates will be able to have campaign representatives, along with other election watchers, view the counting at both the precinct and state level, officials said.

Paper ballots are used in Iowa’s local precincts before the votes are compiled into a computer database. As an extra precaution, state party officials will have extra computer security experts available in the event there are efforts to hack into or electronically tamper with the results, they said."


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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 12/29/2011 2:55:19 PM   
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Bachmann will get neither a mercy fuck or a mercy vote in her native state.  They are paperboarding the rank and file to hold their nose and toe the line no matter what, they are beeging for relevance for their slate of doofuses by intimating that they have such a vast wholesomeness that they need to defend it by secret meetings and handshakes.

The Circus has come to town.

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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 12/29/2011 3:06:29 PM   
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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 12/30/2011 3:46:20 AM   
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Because Dr Paul is beating them all. First they ignored him, then they slandered him and now they are going to cheat the vote.


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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 12/30/2011 10:54:20 AM   
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The same Dr Paul who bragged about not taking Medicaid/Medicare in a community where...

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About 5.4% of families and 6.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 6.5% of those under age 18 and 6.7% of those age 65 or over.


Considering this fact...

Texas ranks 6th in terms of people living in poverty. Some 18.4% of Texans were impoverished in 2010, up from 17.3% a year earlier, according to Census Bureau data released this week. The national average is 15.1%.

This "hailing" of the great Dr Ron Paul... is rather funny.

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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 12/30/2011 11:58:34 AM   
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I put your quote in google and EVERY link is about perry or obama nothing about Dr Paul.
Looks like your the only one blaming Ron Paul. Where did you get your information?


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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 12/30/2011 12:20:58 PM   
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I put your quote in google and EVERY link is about perry or obama nothing about Dr Paul.
Looks like your the only one blaming Ron Paul. Where did you get your information?



Which quote, sweetcheeks? You want sources?

Here.. let me help you find what you are "unable" to find on your own...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Jackson,_Texas

About 5.4% of families and 6.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 6.5% of those under age 18 and 6.7% of those age 65 or over.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/18/news/economy/poverty_perry_texas/index.htm

Texas ranks 6th in terms of people living in poverty. Some 18.4% of Texans were impoverished in 2010, up from 17.3% a year earlier, according to Census Bureau data released this week. The national average is 15.1%.


Now, care to share what it is you believe I am blaming Ron Paul about.. other than being a terrible twister of the truth?

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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 12/30/2011 12:58:55 PM   
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"Iowa G.O.P. on Guard Against Voting Disruptions"

Under the guise of trying to "protect" against voting disruptions from OWS-Iowa protesters,Iowa GOP officials are moving the vote counting to a "secret location".

Secret?

Anyone could steal the election and who would know?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/iowa-g-o-p-on-guard-against-voting-disruptions/?ref=politics

"They have alerted the police and local party officials about concerns that some people may try to disrupt the caucuses, state party officials said.

They have also decided to tally the votes reported from the precincts at an undisclosed location instead of at party headquarters. Candidates will be able to have campaign representatives, along with other election watchers, view the counting at both the precinct and state level, officials said.

Paper ballots are used in Iowa’s local precincts before the votes are compiled into a computer database. As an extra precaution, state party officials will have extra computer security experts available in the event there are efforts to hack into or electronically tamper with the results, they said."


Back in 2003, the GOP held secret meetings with the energy industry behind closed doors and off the record. Before this happened (at the White House), there were mysterious outages across many parts of the country. Afterward, not a single outage....

Back in 2004-2005, it was finally discovered there really WEREN'T any WMDs in Iraq (the #1 reason for invading the country). And who was controlling the information? The GOP.

And that's only the tip of the iceberg! The GOP have done many underhand and secretative stuff all in the name of 'protecting America', when the truth (once out) was they were simply protecting themselves. Kinda of like Nixon...

So it doesnt surprise me that the GOP in Iowa needs to take draconian 'steps' to 'protect' the vote. How often DOES voter fraud take place? Does the GOP have some statistics to back up their bullshit this time around? I doubt even their numbers would be sound and well vetted.

This isn't about undermining Mr. Paul's or Mr. Romney's chances because the lunatic fringe (which is the norm for the GOP these days) cant handle one of their preferred candidates (Perry, Bachmann, Sanitorum) not winning in a landslide. Its about the fact that Democrats have often been open with their elections and catch shit for it by conservatives, who give a blind eye towards the Republicans.

In the end it doesn't matter, as President Obama only needs to convince another 5-10% of American voters to vote in his favor. Given that the GOP's approval rating in the USA is in the teens (at best) to single digits (at worst), will also lower the GOP's credibility. Likewise, their credibility is undermined due to pass actions (and inactions) that caused such events as the Iraq War, Wall Street's Collapse, the Katrina aftermath, and giving us George W. Bush (oh an Dick Cheney too).

Again, I ask, how often does voter fraud ACTUALLY take place in this country? Are there any reilable statistics to support the GOP's paranoia? If you go and do a google search (or which ever search engine you like), you'll find the voter fraud hysteria comes straight from the GOP camp. As with most other GOP 'band wagon issues', this one is high in 'conspiracy theories' and starved of facts/evidence.

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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 12/30/2011 7:30:57 PM   
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The US election system is a form of guided (manipulated) "democracy". There is no need for voter fraud.  It is a pleasure to see how terrified elite establishment plutocrats (both Dem. and GOP) are of Ron Paul winning anything. Still wide support for somebody with a realistic plan to save the country from the economic collapse shows some progress. I predict Romney will become the next president. Obama has gone too far with the destruction (of the country) to be considered viable candidate.

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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 12/30/2011 10:07:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: jillian4you4fun

I put your quote in google and EVERY link is about perry or obama nothing about Dr Paul.
Looks like your the only one blaming Ron Paul. Where did you get your information?



Which quote, sweetcheeks? You want sources?

Here.. let me help you find what you are "unable" to find on your own...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Jackson,_Texas

About 5.4% of families and 6.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 6.5% of those under age 18 and 6.7% of those age 65 or over.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/18/news/economy/poverty_perry_texas/index.htm

Texas ranks 6th in terms of people living in poverty. Some 18.4% of Texans were impoverished in 2010, up from 17.3% a year earlier, according to Census Bureau data released this week. The national average is 15.1%.


Now, care to share what it is you believe I am blaming Ron Paul about.. other than being a terrible twister of the truth?




Your first link, wikipedia states that Ron Paul was born in lake jackson, texas and it was his hometown. OK so where is the terrible twisting of truth?

Your second link doesn't even mention Ron Paul and blames Perry.
How does that make Ron Paul a terrible twister of the truth?

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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 12/30/2011 10:19:30 PM   
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quote:

Your second link doesn't even mention Ron Paul and blames Perry.
How does that make Ron Paul a terrible twister of the truth?


Honey, what are you having trouble with? The unemployment rate of Texas doesnt change regardless of who the article is about, now does it.

Ron Paul

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Your first link, wikipedia states that Ron Paul was born in lake jackson, texas and it was his hometown. OK so where is the terrible twisting of truth?


It does not state its his birth place...

quote:

The city has also long been the hometown of Ron Paul, the presidential candidate and U.S. representative from Texas's 14th Congressional District


Oh, and in case you are having trouble understanding that his practice was in Lake Jackson, Texas...

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And he really did deliver 4,000 babies, says Donna Paul, who worked as Ron Paul's scrub nurse for 14 years in Lake Jackson, Texas, before marrying one of the doctor's brothers and becoming his sister-in-law.


http://www.npr.org/2011/10/25/141653000/before-he-delivered-for-voters-paul-delivered-babies

If you are having trouble seeing that his claims of doing good are in fact bs, then thats on you.


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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 12/31/2011 6:04:01 PM   
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Ummm....according to that article you linked, you're right that he didn't take Medicare/Medicaid...it says that he treated the patients for free or bartered for goods rather than take federal money.

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/25/141653000/before-he-delivered-for-voters-paul-delivered-babies

"that we will see all Medicare and Medicaid patients free of charge, and they will be treated just like all of our other patients, but we're not going to charge them and accept federal funds."

Still in debt from his medical training, Pruett said that was a little harder for him to swallow. "But I liked Ron, so I decided that I would agree to that, too. And in all those 20 years, we never accepted one penny of federal money. We saw all those patients for free, delivered their babies free, did their surgeries free; whatever they needed we did, and we didn't charge them."

Of course, Lake Jackson being a small town, occasionally Paul would get paid in other ways.

"Some of the people would bring chickens, or they would bring vegetables from their garden if they couldn't afford to pay for their obstetrical fee," recalls Richard Hardoin, a pediatrician who used to care for the babies Paul delivered.

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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 12/31/2011 10:18:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Your second link doesn't even mention Ron Paul and blames Perry.
How does that make Ron Paul a terrible twister of the truth?


Honey, what are you having trouble with? The unemployment rate of Texas doesnt change regardless of who the article is about, now does it.

Ron Paul

quote:

Your first link, wikipedia states that Ron Paul was born in lake jackson, texas and it was his hometown. OK so where is the terrible twisting of truth?


It does not state its his birth place...

quote:

The city has also long been the hometown of Ron Paul, the presidential candidate and U.S. representative from Texas's 14th Congressional District


Oh, and in case you are having trouble understanding that his practice was in Lake Jackson, Texas...

quote:

And he really did deliver 4,000 babies, says Donna Paul, who worked as Ron Paul's scrub nurse for 14 years in Lake Jackson, Texas, before marrying one of the doctor's brothers and becoming his sister-in-law.


http://www.npr.org/2011/10/25/141653000/before-he-delivered-for-voters-paul-delivered-babies

If you are having trouble seeing that his claims of doing good are in fact bs, then thats on you.



That's a weak argument honey. The low unemployment rate in texas is not the fault of Ron Paul and you have no evidence of any claims made by him that are bs. What's the real reason you hate him so much sweetcheeks?
PS  Kind of condescending to refer to someone as sweetcheeks and honey isn't it baby cakes?

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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 1/1/2012 8:28:39 AM   
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"Again, I ask, how often does voter fraud ACTUALLY take place in this country? Are there any reilable statistics to support the GOP's paranoia? If you go and do a google search (or which ever search engine you like), you'll find the voter fraud hysteria comes straight from the GOP camp. As with most other GOP 'band wagon issues', this one is high in 'conspiracy theories' and starved of facts/evidence."

It doesn`t really.

The Brennan Center for Justice did a study and out of 9 million seventy eight thousand votes...there were four instances of fraud.

That`s a fraud rate of 44 one millionths of one percent.



http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/392598/july-20-2011/voter-id-laws

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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 1/1/2012 10:35:41 AM   
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That's a weak argument honey. The low unemployment rate in texas is not the fault of Ron Paul and you have no evidence of any claims made by him that are bs. What's the real reason you hate him so much sweetcheeks?
PS  Kind of condescending to refer to someone as sweetcheeks and honey isn't it baby cakes?


Those were not unemployment rates, those were poverty rates. Perhaps you need to read a bit more carefully.

As far as hating him... nope... sorry. I dont know the man, I dont wish to know the man. He and his supporters have bragged for years about his "giving" away of services like it was some great cost on his part... when in fact they are full of shit.

Come brag to me when your poverty level is at least the national average and you are performing deliveries free of charge for 20 woman a month.... not 1.5.

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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 1/1/2012 10:41:42 AM   
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Ummm....according to that article you linked, you're right that he didn't take Medicare/Medicaid...it says that he treated the patients for free or bartered for goods rather than take federal money.

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/25/141653000/before-he-delivered-for-voters-paul-delivered-babies

"that we will see all Medicare and Medicaid patients free of charge, and they will be treated just like all of our other patients, but we're not going to charge them and accept federal funds."

Still in debt from his medical training, Pruett said that was a little harder for him to swallow. "But I liked Ron, so I decided that I would agree to that, too. And in all those 20 years, we never accepted one penny of federal money. We saw all those patients for free, delivered their babies free, did their surgeries free; whatever they needed we did, and we didn't charge them."

Of course, Lake Jackson being a small town, occasionally Paul would get paid in other ways.

"Some of the people would bring chickens, or they would bring vegetables from their garden if they couldn't afford to pay for their obstetrical fee," recalls Richard Hardoin, a pediatrician who used to care for the babies Paul delivered.


20? His nurse said 14. But lets go with the 20.

4000 deliveries over a 20 year span... assuming he performed all those deliveries and we not just the total for his practice... 200 a year... with a poverty level of 6.4%... 12.8 a year would have been eligible for Medicaid. 1 delivery a month, on average, is this great "free service" they are all ragging about?

If he is going to brag about something, he and his supporters should make sure it is brag worthy. Those is the field are just laughing at him.

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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 1/1/2012 12:37:24 PM   
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Ummm....according to that article you linked, you're right that he didn't take Medicare/Medicaid...it says that he treated the patients for free or bartered for goods rather than take federal money.

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/25/141653000/before-he-delivered-for-voters-paul-delivered-babies

"that we will see all Medicare and Medicaid patients free of charge, and they will be treated just like all of our other patients, but we're not going to charge them and accept federal funds."

Still in debt from his medical training, Pruett said that was a little harder for him to swallow. "But I liked Ron, so I decided that I would agree to that, too. And in all those 20 years, we never accepted one penny of federal money. We saw all those patients for free, delivered their babies free, did their surgeries free; whatever they needed we did, and we didn't charge them."

Of course, Lake Jackson being a small town, occasionally Paul would get paid in other ways.

"Some of the people would bring chickens, or they would bring vegetables from their garden if they couldn't afford to pay for their obstetrical fee," recalls Richard Hardoin, a pediatrician who used to care for the babies Paul delivered.

I'd say the man sets a pretty good example. Despite the shitty assumption orientated "math" that's used.

I know if I were poor I'd be very grateful for someone with such strong convictions with his willingness to help. I think so many miss that important point. It's one thing to talk about something, which a lot have no problem doing but it's another to actually do what you say you believe in. Nobody can come close to him in that area.


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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 1/1/2012 9:00:47 PM   
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Barter is great and doctors working for free once in a while is cool too.

But it`s not any kind of solution to our huge health care issues.

Delivering babys and dealing with relatively young and health moms as Paul did is only one tiny fraction of what the healthcare involves.You can`t bring eggs or a chicken to a hospital to pay for cancer surgery or cemo treatments.

Back in the "good`ol days" that Paul and other fantasizers like to recall,a lot of people went without care and or died and few gave a fuck or even knew.


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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 1/1/2012 9:24:53 PM   
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The US election system is a form of guided (manipulated) "democracy". There is no need for voter fraud.  It is a pleasure to see how terrified elite establishment plutocrats (both Dem. and GOP) are of Ron Paul winning anything. Still wide support for somebody with a realistic plan to save the country from the economic collapse shows some progress. I predict Romney will become the next president. Obama has gone too far with the destruction (of the country) to be considered viable candidate.

I have blogged here and elsewhere consistently about how the numbers were as bad and in a few cases worse under Reagan. Yet, the speculation was who would he route in 1984 ?

It is all a matter of perspective, you hear enough bullshit and it begins to sink in. ALL of the numbers are improving and the GOP would have you believe that we are still headed for bankruptcy and riots.

'Obama' is adding more jobs than Bush II did (120,000/mo.) cars are selling again. Payrolls are up a little. 8+% is the same as Reagan's 8+ in 1983 or 1/01/84.

The American people are not that easily moved away from an incumbent and many say and I agree, if Ross Perot hadn't run in 92, Bush I would have been re-elected.

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RE: Iowa GOP planning to commit election/voter fraud - 1/1/2012 9:31:17 PM   
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I think an incumbent gets like a 10 to 15 % boost just for being the incumbent.



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