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Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "Tax M... - 12/8/2011 6:27:04 AM   
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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/8/2011 1:44:19 PM   
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These people are insane. They need a rehab. Giving a corrupt government more money is like giving a drug addict more drugs. The government would would use for buying "troubled assets" from the bankers or to finance bombing of Syria. As a self-appointed spokesman for "poor Americans" (analogy to "patriotic millionaires") my message to patriotic millionaires: give money to me.

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/8/2011 1:58:50 PM   
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quote:

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These people are insane. They need a rehab. Giving a corrupt government more money is like giving a drug addict more drugs. The government would would use for buying "troubled assets" from the bankers or to finance bombing of Syria. As a self-appointed spokesman for "poor Americans" (analogy to "patriotic millionaires") my message to patriotic millionaires: give money to me.


This exposes an inherent corrolary to your argument, a corrolary that makes this kinda silly. Arguing against giving a corrupt government more money is akin to arguing that the money currently given is just fine. In other words, it is like saying we've hit the sweet spot in the amount of money that should be given to a corrupt government and giving any more is bad.

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/8/2011 3:08:27 PM   
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Arguing against giving a corrupt government more money is akin to arguing that the money currently given is just fine.

Where did yo get this? I am just saying  giving them more resources does not do any good. Status quo is obviously not "just fine".  The Congress has 9% public approval.

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/8/2011 3:33:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fellow

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Arguing against giving a corrupt government more money is akin to arguing that the money currently given is just fine.

Where did yo get this? I am just saying  giving them more resources does not do any good. Status quo is obviously not "just fine".  The Congress has 9% public approval.




they always have been literally since the conception forward.  The ony reason congress has ever had any approval is because people did not knwo they do not work for us!  Now with the internet it shows 9% stil have not figgered it out!





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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/8/2011 3:42:23 PM   
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These people are insane. They need a rehab. Giving a corrupt government more money is like giving a drug addict more drugs.


Just as giving uninteresting people something to bitch about is insane apparently.



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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/8/2011 3:45:36 PM   
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The more money our vast sea of bloated bureaucracy receives, the more it spends

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Arguing against giving a corrupt government more money is akin to arguing that the money currently given is just fine.

Where did yo get this? I am just saying  giving them more resources does not do any good. Status quo is obviously not "just fine".  The Congress has 9% public approval.



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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/8/2011 3:51:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fellow

quote:

Arguing against giving a corrupt government more money is akin to arguing that the money currently given is just fine.

Where did yo get this? I am just saying  giving them more resources does not do any good. Status quo is obviously not "just fine".  The Congress has 9% public approval.



What exactly are you advocating for, then? That we should stop paying taxes?

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/8/2011 8:13:31 PM   
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If Millionaires and Billionaires feel they are NOT paying enough taxes... somebody explain to me WHY, they don't just cut a check to the Federal Government to make up for it?

Why not lead by example?

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/8/2011 8:16:33 PM   
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We`ll just let the special break end and if you want ,you can send them a check to help make it up.

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/8/2011 8:21:13 PM   
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You do understand that millions of people, working class folks, who were eliminated from the tax rolls will be added back if the Bush Tax breaks are reversed right?

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/8/2011 10:00:09 PM   
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they always have been literally since the conception forward. The ony reason congress has ever had any approval is because people did not knwo they do not work for us! Now with the internet it shows 9% stil have not figgered it out!





That is NOT helping.

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/8/2011 10:03:10 PM   
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Just as giving uninteresting people something to bitch about is insane apparently.


You are fucking adequately medicated enough to not fucking care. Thank you for that.

Now fuck off. These are real issues. The grownups need to talk. Go color.

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/8/2011 10:07:20 PM   
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If Millionaires and Billionaires feel they are NOT paying enough taxes... somebody explain to me WHY, they don't just cut a check to the Federal Government to make up for it?


Because they would steal it. You cut a check to the feds for $12 trillion they will pocket it, and the debt will stay the same. You put it on the taxes and there will be a record of it.

They don't want a record of it. They want it from the lobbyists.

Geez, ya gotta tell some people everything.

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/9/2011 8:51:53 AM   
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What exactly are you advocating for, then? That we should stop paying taxes?

Not at all. I am arguing against current trend: an increase in direct and indirect taxation, and so the dependency of masses from the government. The millionaires (surprisingly) do not understand how the capitalist economy works. My advise for them would be to use their resources not for boosting the government but for making people less dependent from the government. It is better people being able to buy food rather than being enrolled in food  stamp program (one of the fastest growing program under Obama). It would help greatly if the millionaires would invest inside the country. Currently they do not. They put their money into foreign company shares rather than the US. Many US based multinationals belong to this group. One of the most valuable Apple for instance produces everything outside the country (Shanghai mostly) and should be regarded as foreign in this context. People need jobs and living wages not government handouts.  Infrastructure projects are nice, but what is the infrastructure for if the industries are dying out. Bridge to nowhere.

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/9/2011 9:34:19 AM   
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You do understand that millions of people, working class folks, who were eliminated from the tax rolls will be added back if the Bush Tax breaks are reversed right?


They all know it, but if they admit it they cant whine that the Bush tax cuts were "for the rich" (although some idiot here tried to argue that the Bush tax cuts disproportianately favored the rich, but letting them expire would disproportionately hurt the poor/middle class!)

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/9/2011 10:34:22 AM   
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A follow-up, kalika...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/12/09/143398685/gop-objects-to-millionaires-surtax-millionaires-we-found-not-so-much

For the second week in a row, the Senate on Thursday voted down proposals to extend the payroll tax holiday through next year. In the case of the Democrats' proposal, Republicans objected to the "millionaires surtax" that would be used to pay for it.

Ever since the idea of the surtax was introduced weeks ago, Republicans in Congress have railed against it, arguing that it is a direct hit on small-business owners and other job creators.

The argument is that many small-business owners report company profits on their individual taxes because of the way their businesses are structured. Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., says the surtax would hurt their ability to hire.

"It's just intuitive that, you know, if you're somebody who's in business and you get hit with a tax increase, it's going to be that much harder, I think, to make investments that are going to lead to job creation," says Thune.

We wanted to talk to business owners who would be affected. So, NPR requested help from numerous Republican congressional offices, including House and Senate leadership. They were unable to produce a single millionaire job creator for us to interview.


So we went to the business groups that have been lobbying against the surtax. Again, three days after putting in a request, none of them was able to find someone for us to talk to. A group called the Tax Relief Coalition said the problem was finding someone willing to talk about their personal taxes on national radio.

So next we put a query on Facebook. And several business owners who said they would be affected by the "millionaires surtax" responded.

"It's not in the top 20 things that we think about when we're making a business hire," said Ian Yankwitt, who owns Tortoise Investment Management.

Tortoise is a boutique investment firm in White Plains, N.Y. Yankwitt has 10 employees and in recent years has done a lot of hiring.

As a result, Yankwitt says he's had many conversations about hiring, "both with respect to specific people, with respect to whether we should hire one junior person or two, whether we should hire a senior person."

He says his ultimate marginal tax rate "didn't even make it on the agenda."

Yankwitt says deciding to bring on another employee is all about return on investment. Will adding another person to the payroll make his company more successful?

For Jason Burger, the motivation is similar.

"If my taxes go up, I have slightly less disposable income, yes," said Burger, co-owner of CSS International Holdings, a global infrastructure contractor. "But that has nothing to do with what my business does. What my business does is based on the contracts that it wins and the demand for its services."

Burger says his Michigan-based company is hiring like crazy, and he'd be perfectly willing to pay the surtax.


"It's only fair that I put back into the system that is the entire reason for my success," said Burger.

For the record, both Burger and Yankwitt have made campaign contributions to Democrats in the past, but they say their views on the surtax are about the economics of their businesses and not their politics.

And they're not alone.

"I, like any other American, especially a business owner, I want to make as much money as I can and I want to keep as much money in my pocket as I can, but I also believe in the greater good," says Deborah Schwarz, who owns LAC Group, an information management firm with offices nationwide and in London.

Surtax or no, Schwarz says she hopes to keep hiring.

"We're going to keep on writing proposals, going after contracts, hopefully winning them, and when we do we're going to continue to hire people," says Schwarz.

All of this contradicts the arguments about job creators being made by Republicans in Congress.

"Those I would say were exceptions to the rule," responds Thune. "I think most small-business owners who are out there right now would argue that raising their taxes has the opposite effect that we would want to have in a down economy."

But those small-business owners apparently don't want to talk.


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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/9/2011 9:41:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fellow

quote:

What exactly are you advocating for, then? That we should stop paying taxes?

Not at all. I am arguing against current trend: an increase in direct and indirect taxation, and so the dependency of masses from the government. The millionaires (surprisingly) do not understand how the capitalist economy works. My advise for them would be to use their resources not for boosting the government but for making people less dependent from the government. It is better people being able to buy food rather than being enrolled in food  stamp program (one of the fastest growing program under Obama). It would help greatly if the millionaires would invest inside the country. Currently they do not. They put their money into foreign company shares rather than the US. Many US based multinationals belong to this group. One of the most valuable Apple for instance produces everything outside the country (Shanghai mostly) and should be regarded as foreign in this context. People need jobs and living wages not government handouts.  Infrastructure projects are nice, but what is the infrastructure for if the industries are dying out. Bridge to nowhere.


I'm not really following you here. You have a whole manifesto here; pick one thing and argue it out.

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/9/2011 9:45:40 PM   
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Why don't these people who want to be taxed more, just get out their pen and send a check to the federal government and leave us normal people alone.

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RE: Patriotic Millionaires' Message to Congress "T... - 12/9/2011 9:50:16 PM   
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Why don't these people who want to be taxed more, just get out their pen and send a check to the federal government and leave us normal people alone.


Because the government is not a charity and cannot rely on voluntary contributions alone.

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