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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

All the candidates are promising to do it but can it be done, at what cost and how?

http://news.yahoo.com/promises-promises-securing-us-border-impossible-071019604.html

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

It depends on what you mean by "securing". 99.99% secure? Possible but not worth the cost. Secure enough to make the risk of crossing not worth the cost/benefits? Easily. A combination of fence, surveillance and a highly mobile security force. And by limiting the cost/benefit of crossing you reduce the general flow enough to be able to focus and be more effective in stemming the more dangerous.

And the northern border bullshit has been debunked many times. No need to revisit unfounded accusations of racism.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

All the candidates are promising to do it but can it be done, at what cost and how?

http://news.yahoo.com/promises-promises-securing-us-border-impossible-071019604.html

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

It depends on what you mean by "securing". 99.99% secure? Possible but not worth the cost. Secure enough to make the risk of crossing not worth the cost/benefits? Easily. A combination of fence, surveillance and a highly mobile security force. And by limiting the cost/benefit of crossing you reduce the general flow enough to be able to focus and be more effective in stemming the more dangerous.

And the northern border bullshit has been debunked many times. No need to revisit unfounded accusations of racism.

As of last year illegal aliens cost us $114 B.

This has been debunked so many times it is hardly worth mentioning. Either post up some proof of this drivel or stop taking up bandwidth.

so we can't afford not to secure that border with Mexico a third world country and gateway to other third world countries.[

You mean third world countries like lictenstien and monaco?



The cheapest and most effective way to secure (close) that border is with minefields and Troops.

I have stated this more than a few times Perhaps you were in the shit house and missed it.
The penality for crossing the border into the us illegally is a misdemeanor.
The penality for hiring someone who crosses the border illegally is a felony that carries a $250,000 fine and 5 years in the federal joint (no parole) for each illegal.
Enforce this federal law and there will be no one crossing the border illegally to get a job.
Yes local cops are allowed to enforce federal law.





Minefields are *extremely* effective at "area denial." Also, they have mines that can detect any tunneling and explode and collapse the tunnel.
We use our mines right now in S. Korea to guard (their) border and they work very well, you don't hear of hundreds of N. Koreans sneaking into S. Korea every night, do you?

That is one of their problems. The north infiltrates the south on regular bassis and the mine fields and troops don't seem to be able to stop them....
but:
Somehow you think it would work here?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

But we still argue whether or not our fuckin constitution is strong enough to keep us american.

No one with a three digit iq does.

like that asswipe about terrorists (foreign or domestic---as if there is a difference) and that they have to be tried by the military and kept by the military.

Criminals need to be tried in criminal courts not military tribunals.

When did ww give up the executive and judicial branches of this triumvirate and leave it all to lobbysts, corporations and fuckwads running for office? 

With the "election" of thomas jefferson we have the beginnings of this shit and it has been downhill ever since.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Criminals need to be tried in criminal courts not military tribunals.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

From the article: "Ron Paul pledges to secure the nation's southern border by any means necessary" His campaign website remarks: "As long as our borders remain wide open, the security and safety of the American people are at stake." REALLY?

The 9/11 attackers did not come across the southern border. Yet, only the southern border is of concern. Not the border with Oh! Canada, nor the coastlines east and west. These repubs are conflating national security with illegal immigration and drug running. Cannot imagine stationing our Armed Forces for decades and en mass along our southern border. Like shooting a frog with a cannon.

Disappointing to see Congressman Paul issuing the same demogoguery as his opponents.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

It depends on what you mean by "securing". 99.99% secure? Possible but not worth the cost. Secure enough to make the risk of crossing not worth the cost/benefits? Easily. A combination of fence, surveillance and a highly mobile security force. And by limiting the cost/benefit of crossing you reduce the general flow enough to be able to focus and be more effective in stemming the more dangerous.

And the northern border bullshit has been debunked many times. No need to revisit unfounded accusations of racism.

As of last year illegal aliens cost us $114 B. so we can't afford not to secure that border with Mexico a third world country and gateway to other third world countries.
The cheapest and most effective way to secure (close) that border is with minefields and Troops.
Minefields are *extremely* effective at "area denial." Also, they have mines that can detect any tunneling and explode and collapse the tunnel.
We use our mines right now in S. Korea to guard (their) border and they work very well, you don't hear of hundreds of N. Koreans sneaking into S. Korea every night, do you?
And one thing that people can't argue is that minefields are "inhumane." If you don't walk into a minefield you won't get blown up will you?
And with all this talk about "human rights" these days where are the "human rights" of U.S. Citizens not to have out country invaded by millions of illegal aliens?
Where is the "U.N." on this issue???
Their *silence* is deafening!
Do they plan on making a statement or what? Anyone know?

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
It depends on what you mean by "securing". 99.99% secure? Possible but not worth the cost. Secure enough to make the risk of crossing not worth the cost/benefits? Easily. A combination of fence, surveillance and a highly mobile security force. And by limiting the cost/benefit of crossing you reduce the general flow enough to be able to focus and be more effective in stemming the more dangerous.

And the northern border bullshit has been debunked many times. No need to revisit unfounded accusations of racism.

As of last year illegal aliens cost us $114 B. so we can't afford not to secure that border with Mexico a third world country and gateway to other third world countries.
The cheapest and most effective way to secure (close) that border is with minefields and Troops.
Minefields are *extremely* effective at "area denial." Also, they have mines that can detect any tunneling and explode and collapse the tunnel.
We use our mines right now in S. Korea to guard (their) border and they work very well, you don't hear of hundreds of N. Koreans sneaking into S. Korea every night, do you?
And one thing that people can't argue is that minefields are "inhumane." If you don't walk into a minefield you won't get blown up will you?
And with all this talk about "human rights" these days where are the "human rights" of U.S. Citizens not to have out country invaded by millions of illegal aliens?
Where is the "U.N." on this issue???
Their *silence* is deafening!
Do they plan on making a statement or what? Anyone know?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

All the candidates are promising to do it but can it be done, at what cost and how?

http://news.yahoo.com/promises-promises-securing-us-border-impossible-071019604.html

I have stated this more than a few times Perhaps you were in the shit house and missed it.
The penality for crossing the border into the us illegally is a misdemeanor.
The penality for hiring someone who crosses the border illegally is a felony that carries a $250,000 fine and 5 years in the federal joint (no parole) for each illegal.
Enforce this federal law and there will be no one crossing the border illegally to get a job.
Yes local cops are allowed to enforce federal law.