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House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 10:23:39 AM   
Fightdirecto


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Dear Amy:  When our family gets together for any holiday, my niece's husband has to bring a gun with him.

He has a permit. He thinks his permit gives him permission to carry a loaded gun wherever he goes. He even takes it to church.

I have requested that he leave the gun at home when coming to my house.

He says that if he cannot bring his gun then his family won't come to our home. There will be small children at the house, but he says it's OK because his kids are fine with it.

Should I let him bring the gun or tell them they need to stay home? — Gun Battle

Dear Battle: Your niece's husband may have a legal right to carry his gun, but you also have a right to maintain a weapons-free household.

Does an American citizen have the right to maintain a weapons-free household, even if that would interfere with a house guest's 2nd Amendment right to carry a gun?

Or does an American citizen's 2nd Amendment right to carry a gun override a homeowner's desire to have a weapons-free home?

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 10:27:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		He's a dick. Let her see her niece and family when he's out elsewhere. No, the second amendment does not extend to invading someone else's home. And since he's been told the gun isn't welcome, if he brings it anyway then he's there without the homeowner's approval and she could call the cops and say there's a guy in her home against her wishes with a gun.

Maybe he doesn't care if his kids get shot, but the rest of the children shouldn't be put at risk.


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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 10:30:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Um.  A homeowner has the right to restrict activity under his or her roof unless it conflicts with other law, such as domestic violence or drug possession.  The Second Amendment means that the GOVERNMENT cannot restrict gun ownership.  It has no bearing on private entities restricting guns and airplanes, workplaces, and schools routinely prohibit firearms.

Similarly, while the government cannot prohibit free speech, various Internet sites are monitored and speech is restricted to a degree.  For example, cm does not allow personal attacks or personal info publishing, which are not at all regulated by the government.


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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 10:33:21 AM   
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What a jackass he must be, to refuse to do something as simple as not bring his gun with him.


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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 10:35:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

Ask Amy: Family member wants to pack holiday "heat"
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Dear Amy:  When our family gets together for any holiday, my niece's husband has to bring a gun with him.

He has a permit. He thinks his permit gives him permission to carry a loaded gun wherever he goes. He even takes it to church.

I have requested that he leave the gun at home when coming to my house.

He says that if he cannot bring his gun then his family won't come to our home. There will be small children at the house, but he says it's OK because his kids are fine with it.

Should I let him bring the gun or tell them they need to stay home? — Gun Battle

Dear Battle: Your niece's husband may have a legal right to carry his gun, but you also have a right to maintain a weapons-free household.

Does an American citizen have the right to maintain a weapons-free household, even if that would interfere with a house guest's 2nd Amendment right to carry a gun?

Or does an American citizen's 2nd Amendment right to carry a gun override a homeowner's desire to have a weapons-free home?


It may differ in some states but generally no, he has no legal right to carry on private property or commerical properties declared to be "gun free zones".

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 10:44:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		After a little more thought...

I presume that the church does not know he's packing because I don't know of a single one that would allow that.

So his children who live at his house and have to abide by his rules are okay with it?  Weird justification.

And based on what I've read, I would never allow a gun in my house, but I'd rather have the gun than him.

BTW, your link did not work.  Try this one: http://www2.journalnow.com/entertainment/2011/nov/05/amy-110511-ar-1574921/

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 11:09:14 AM   
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After a little more thought...

I presume that the church does not know he's packing because I don't know of a single one that would allow that.

"What is not forbidden, is allowed."

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 11:12:06 AM   
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Why doesn't he just leave the gun in his car ? I don't think it's ratonal for the host to prohibit it but it is their home and their rules apply.

Also, I don't think a business should be able to prohibit otherwise lawful weapons unless armed security exists on the premesis. Places with lots of valuables may be prone to robbery, you know like banks or high end jewelers, so most times someone is there already someone armed. But if not and someone tries to rob the place, let a customer blow their head(s) off. Call the morgue and give the guy a gift certificate. But that wouldn't be quite right in a bank for example.

Someone's home is a whole different thing to anyone with a brain, smokers don't smoke, pot smokers don't smoke pot, drinkers do not drink - all at the behest of their hosts. But they say don't bring the gun and this guy gets all bent out of shape ?

I don't agree with either one of them.

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 12:49:43 PM   
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I am not anti-gun, but if someone feels uncomfortable with me having it, I would consider it only natural to leave it, for example, in the car.

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 3:04:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		If it's CONCEALED carry, how would anyone know?

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 3:05:44 PM   
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If it's CONCEALED carry, how would anyone know?


Telling them he's carrying usually accomplished that...

Besides that, certain people are very good at making it obvious they're carrying "concealed". Maybe he's one of those.

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 3:08:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Re: the OP.

Everyone else has pretty much hit it. When you own or purchase real property, basically you are obtaining a "Bundle of Rights"

One of these rights is the "Right of Exclusion" You may exclude enyone from your property and you don't have to have a reason. Exceptions are LEO with probable cause/warrant and certain government authorities with reason to be there (census workers for instance).

You have a right to tell someone to not bring a firearm and if they can't be separated from their heat, they can just stay the fuck home.

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 4:07:40 PM   
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Now let's throw this in. they have no right to make me travel unarmed, so leaving the firearm in the vehicle is reasonable. However a responsible gun owner might not want to leave a loaded firearm in the vehicle parked on the street for hours on end during a holiday, which in some areas means a crime spree. The car could be broken into.

Would it be reasonable then for him to ask that he be allowed to park in the driveway ? Would it be reasonable for the host/ess to refuse ? if so then what ? In that case I might just have to drop the kids/whoever off and just go somewhere else.

This whole situation is ridiculous. You can bring a bazoka over here, just don't shoot it off in the house, and if you shoot it outside don't hit any of the houses, cars or people. Other than that I don't care.

Now an idiot on the other hand............. (and there is evidence alluding to the fact that this person may be a bit dense) may be a different story.

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/24/2011 4:40:14 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Of course a homeowner can say that guests can't pack heat in their home.
They can also limit someone's first amendment rights by forbidding someone from discussing certain topics while in their home as guests.
It's kind of like a strip joint, if you're "offended" don't go in!
I have a cwp and shoot guns at the range every once in a while and unless I really knew someone I wouldn't want a stranger or "a friend of a friend" carrying a weapon in my house.


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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 6:46:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know what the legal aspects are but if you are coming to my house, you are going to follow my rules. If you can't handle that, then maybe you should stay at home.

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 6:54:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		"mommy, I'm so insecure and so need someone else's approval that I cannot even evaluate what is more important to me! Mooooommy, tell me, do I say that he can't bring a gun and deal with him not coming or do i have a meltdown about the children? Why why why do i have to make any decisions?!?!"

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 7:02:45 AM   
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He's a dick. Let her see her niece and family when he's out elsewhere.


This.

Here's the rest of the article:

"I shared your letter with a spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, who responded with this statistic: "A gun in any home is four times more likely to be used to kill or injure a loved one in an unintentional or accidental shooting than it is to be used for self-defense (bradycampaign.org)."

This man might believe that he is somehow protecting his family, but by carrying a loaded gun he is placing them (and anyone else in the home) at risk.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than 4,000 children and teens are wounded or killed in unintentional shootings every year."

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 7:04:15 AM   
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Would it be reasonable then for him to ask that he be allowed to park in the driveway ? Would it be reasonable for the host/ess to refuse ? if so then what ? In that case I might just have to drop the kids/whoever off and just go somewhere else.


I carry 24/7 and have throughout my adult life, my sisters are opposed to gun carrying in their homes, when visiting them we have agreed to lock my weapons in a secured place in their garage. That is just one of the respects I extend to friends and family with opposition to my carrying in their homes. On the other hand, I terminated an intimate sexually satisfying long term relationship recently based on her adversely commenting on the number and type of firearms I maintained on my boat. There is a point where others imposing their preferences outstretches respect for their beliefs.

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 7:06:26 AM   
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On the other hand, I terminated an intimate sexually satisfying long term relationship recently based on her adversely commenting on the number and type of firearms I maintained on my boat. There is a point where others imposing their preferences outstretches respect for their beliefs.


How many do you carry on your boat?

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 7:55:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Her house her rules. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you have the right to do so in someone's home if they don't want you to.

You have the right to freedom of speech too but I don't like when people need to curse after every single word and that was definitely not allowed in my home when my daughter was a child.

My house, my rules.



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