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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 8:31:58 AM   
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He's a dick. Let her see her niece and family when he's out elsewhere.


This.

Here's the rest of the article:

"I shared your letter with a spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, who responded with this statistic: "A gun in any home is four times more likely to be used to kill or injure a loved one in an unintentional or accidental shooting than it is to be used for self-defense (bradycampaign.org)."

This man might believe that he is somehow protecting his family, but by carrying a loaded gun he is placing them (and anyone else in the home) at risk.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than 4,000 children and teens are wounded or killed in unintentional shootings every year."


Now that's odd, over the last three decades or so I've known probably three dozen people who keep guns in their homes who've never had things like that happen. And look at N.H. and Maine, almost everyone owns guns in those states.
I wonder if the Brady people ever report good things about guns or only negative things?
You know what they say about "statistics."
I could say that the incidence of tiger attacks in Boston, Mass is extremely low and I'd be right.

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 8:52:29 AM   
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Ask Amy: Family member wants to pack holiday "heat"
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Dear Amy:  When our family gets together for any holiday, my niece's husband has to bring a gun with him.

He has a permit. He thinks his permit gives him permission to carry a loaded gun wherever he goes. He even takes it to church.

I have requested that he leave the gun at home when coming to my house.

He says that if he cannot bring his gun then his family won't come to our home. There will be small children at the house, but he says it's OK because his kids are fine with it.

Should I let him bring the gun or tell them they need to stay home? — Gun Battle

Dear Battle: Your niece's husband may have a legal right to carry his gun, but you also have a right to maintain a weapons-free household.

Does an American citizen have the right to maintain a weapons-free household, even if that would interfere with a house guest's 2nd Amendment right to carry a gun?

Or does an American citizen's 2nd Amendment right to carry a gun override a homeowner's desire to have a weapons-free home?


It may differ in some states but generally no, he has no legal right to carry on private property or commerical properties declared to be "gun free zones".



well with that we have a problem dodge.

corporations are creatures of the people, hence the body politic, hence serve the public good.

corporations while being public in nature want to duck under the private side to claim "rights".

Of course the state is a corporation that also fills a commercial purpose so I guess we do not have a right to carry anywhere now do we?

Well unless of course you can come up with a distinction and I know of no court case that supports it.

In as much as carrying in the womans house, it is her property, only the gubafia can get away with carrying on her property with impunity

institutionalized thuggery has it benefits.






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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 9:31:14 AM   
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This guy is being a dick. No one is bringing a loaded hand gun in my house while our small grandchildren are here. He can sit by himself at home and play with his gun..

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 9:37:30 AM   
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Now that's odd, over the last three decades or so I've known probably three dozen people who keep guns in their homes who've never had things like that happen. And look at N.H. and Maine, almost everyone owns guns in those states. I wonder if the Brady people ever report good things about guns or only negative things? You know what they say about "statistics."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/interactives/guns/ownership.html

Gun Ownership by State

In 2001 the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) in North Carolina surveyed 201,881 respondents nationwide, asking them, "Are any firearms now kept in or around your home? Include those kept in a garage, outdoor storage area, car, truck, or other motor vehicle." Here are the results.

NH No = 70.0%
ME No = 59.5%

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 10:07:17 AM   
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Now that's odd, over the last three decades or so I've known probably three dozen people who keep guns in their homes who've never had things like that happen. And look at N.H. and Maine, almost everyone owns guns in those states. I wonder if the Brady people ever report good things about guns or only negative things? You know what they say about "statistics."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/interactives/guns/ownership.html

Gun Ownership by State

In 2001 the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) in North Carolina surveyed 201,881 respondents nationwide, asking them, "Are any firearms now kept in or around your home? Include those kept in a garage, outdoor storage area, car, truck, or other motor vehicle." Here are the results.

NH No = 70.0%
ME No = 59.5%


lots of people, at least smart people lie about their guns.

why would anyone willingly and truthfully report their private matters to the gubafia unless they were completely retarded?

There are over 300,000,000 guns in the hands of the private people in the US.


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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 10:09:51 AM   
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This guy is being a dick. No one is bringing a loaded hand gun in my house while our small grandchildren are here. He can sit by himself at home and play with his gun..


handled properly I have no problem being in a crowd of people with guns as long as the institutionalized MOB is not included in that crowd, as they can and do murder and get away with it.


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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 10:14:07 AM   
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While I don't personally have a problem with armed guests in my home, the gun owner needs to respect the wishes of the home owner and stay home if he can't live without his gun for one evening.

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 10:15:11 AM   
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He's a dick. Let her see her niece and family when he's out elsewhere.


This.

Here's the rest of the article:

"I shared your letter with a spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, who responded with this statistic: "A gun in any home is four times more likely to be used to kill or injure a loved one in an unintentional or accidental shooting than it is to be used for self-defense (bradycampaign.org)."

This man might believe that he is somehow protecting his family, but by carrying a loaded gun he is placing them (and anyone else in the home) at risk.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than 4,000 children and teens are wounded or killed in unintentional shootings every year."


  And the spokesman with his made up statistics is so full of shit that his breath stinks.


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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 10:17:07 AM   
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While I don't personally have a problem with armed guests in my home, the gun owner needs to respect the wishes of the home owner and stay home if he can't live without his gun for one evening.


To that I would add if someone doesn't wish to be in the same building with guns, they shouldn't bother to visit me.

I will always, however, respect the property rights of another.  If they don't wish firearms on their property, I won't be the one to bring them.

They are all handled and stored safely and well maintained.

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 10:20:31 AM   
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While I don't personally have a problem with armed guests in my home, the gun owner needs to respect the wishes of the home owner and stay home if he can't live without his gun for one evening.


To that I would add if someone doesn't wish to be in the same building with guns, they shouldn't bother to visit me.

I will always, however, respect the property rights of another.  If they don't wish firearms on their property, I won't be the one to bring them.

They are all handled and stored safely and well maintained.


The only way to handle them... Due to the job, I'm required to carry at all times, but when I do come upon a situation where my sidearm isn't welcome, it gets locked in the gun safe in my truck when I'm off duty, and out of uniform.


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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 10:23:42 AM   
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While I don't personally have a problem with armed guests in my home, the gun owner needs to respect the wishes of the home owner and stay home if he can't live without his gun for one evening.


To that I would add if someone doesn't wish to be in the same building with guns, they shouldn't bother to visit me.

I will always, however, respect the property rights of another.  If they don't wish firearms on their property, I won't be the one to bring them.

They are all handled and stored safely and well maintained.


The only way to handle them... Due to the job, I'm required to carry at all times, but when I do come upon a situation where my sidearm isn't welcome, it gets locked in the gun safe in my truck when I'm off duty, and out of uniform.



A quick question, rob.  Are you exempt from laws regarding carrying where alcohol is served?  I would assume so. (Not in any way saying you're drinking while you're carrying just wondering if you carried when having lunch at Applebee's or a similar place)

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 10:23:52 AM   
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I like those statistics. Just ask pwoplw :

Do you have a gun ?
Do you cheat on your taxes ?
Do you ever do illegal "drugs" ?
Do you roll through stop signs ?
Do you do anything you shouldn't do ?
Have you ever gotten away with anything ?
Have you bought raw milk ?
Have you worked on your house without a permit ?
Have you done ANYTHING "we" don't know about ?

Oh, and the four times as likely to kill a family member in the house ? Yes, and of course they say it was an accident. If they're that stupid as to accidentally shoot someone it's nice to know that, and better they keep that activity in the family.

And 4,000 ain't shit. Get math, 40,000 is only 4% of a million so for that number to means anything at all to someone with a brain it needs more zeros. Oh, and that million is not even 1% of the people in this country.

Maybe the bradyists should go after hospitals. How many do they kill a year ?

T^T

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 10:49:40 AM   
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damn it that hurt!

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 1:17:29 PM   
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A quick question, rob.  Are you exempt from laws regarding carrying where alcohol is served?  I would assume so. (Not in any way saying you're drinking while you're carrying just wondering if you carried when having lunch at Applebee's or a similar place)


Indiana does not prohibit carrying in places that serve alcohol, however it does allow a business to prohibit carrying in their establishment,. The Heller decision hasn't changed that yet...

But IF the state did have the law, on duty officers would be exempt, but not off duty. So in the case of Applebee's, if I were on duty, it's assumed that I would be smart enough not to drink, therefore be allowed to carry.


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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 1:21:26 PM   
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So, it varies state to state. thanks rob.

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/25/2011 2:51:40 PM   
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A quick question, rob.  Are you exempt from laws regarding carrying where alcohol is served?  I would assume so. (Not in any way saying you're drinking while you're carrying just wondering if you carried when having lunch at Applebee's or a similar place)


Indiana does not prohibit carrying in places that serve alcohol, however it does allow a business to prohibit carrying in their establishment,. The Heller decision hasn't changed that yet...

But IF the state did have the law, on duty officers would be exempt, but not off duty. So in the case of Applebee's, if I were on duty, it's assumed that I would be smart enough not to drink, therefore be allowed to carry.



yeh and a bar is NOT an agency of state.

Where is the jurisdiction?  Commercial?  LOL


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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/26/2011 1:50:35 AM   
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Now that's odd, over the last three decades or so I've known probably three dozen people who keep guns in their homes who've never had things like that happen. And look at N.H. and Maine, almost everyone owns guns in those states. I wonder if the Brady people ever report good things about guns or only negative things? You know what they say about "statistics."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/interactives/guns/ownership.html

Gun Ownership by State

In 2001 the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) in North Carolina surveyed 201,881 respondents nationwide, asking them, "Are any firearms now kept in or around your home? Include those kept in a garage, outdoor storage area, car, truck, or other motor vehicle." Here are the results.

NH No = 70.0%
ME No = 59.5%


Oh, and you think they're going to tell a stranger on the phone that they have guns in their homes and where they keep them?
I actually lived in N.H. and Maine for ten years each.


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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/26/2011 2:30:09 AM   
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This man is a nut to bring a gun to a home
where children will be!  Now if he wants to
leave it home he should, only three times that i can
remember when someone use a gun to kill someone
whom enter their home!  The other times the gun was
taken away and kill the owners!   As a single woman
i would not mind having a gun with practice and gun safety
classes it would be ok, but not with kids around, so many the little
ones kill one another with guns hidden but always have been found by children
, so no guns around children!  They still do not know how 'dangerous
a gun is!!!!

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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/26/2011 8:31:34 AM   
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Now that's odd, over the last three decades or so I've known probably three dozen people who keep guns in their homes who've never had things like that happen. And look at N.H. and Maine, almost everyone owns guns in those states. I wonder if the Brady people ever report good things about guns or only negative things? You know what they say about "statistics."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/interactives/guns/ownership.html

Gun Ownership by State

In 2001 the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) in North Carolina surveyed 201,881 respondents nationwide, asking them, "Are any firearms now kept in or around your home? Include those kept in a garage, outdoor storage area, car, truck, or other motor vehicle." Here are the results.

NH No = 70.0%
ME No = 59.5%


Oh sure,  why wouldn't they tell a stranger on the phone if they have weapons in the home and where they keep them?
Or a form in the mail, sure, give them your handwriting too.
"Want my social Security number too?"
I lived in N.H. and Maine for ten years each. Even the bad guys know better than to break into a home up there when anti-gun Massachusetts is just a hop, skip and a jump next door.
"BRFSS", how nice, a surveillance system.Do they put cameras in people's homes?


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RE: House guests "packin' heat" - 11/26/2011 9:50:12 AM   
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Of course you have the right to tell your nutty
uncle he can't bring his gun into your house.
That he is taking it into a church is sad.
Even in the wild west days the men took
off their holsters before they entered the
sanctuary.

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