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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:34:24 AM   
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Its just amusing how Obama and Michelle hating the United States (apparently) was nothing, yet this snippet of nothingness from Mr Gingrich is supposed to be the end of the world

You need to learn what a true derail is, in other words

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Why are we derailing to Obama on a Gingrich thread? Is Gingrich so impossible to defend that the thread has to be derailed?


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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:35:15 AM   
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No, he does not.

He says that the politicians ("we") have attempted (not succeeded) to make America a nightmare.

I am, by all means, no sympathizer of  Newt Gingrich, but changing his words to attack him is dirty and unacceptable.

Best keep to your analyzing own country`s culture.

We are free to pray the way we want or not at all here in America.

It`s actually been politicians(like newty) who have been forcing religion on folks.

What newty said is that America has turned into (present tense) a nightmare, starting in '63'.



You know,the Pope blamed the church`s molestation/child-rape problems on a secularism.

Damm him to hell for that.


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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:35:58 AM   
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Why are we derailing to Obama on a Gingrich thread? Is Gingrich so impossible to defend that the thread has to be derailed?

He's evidently impossible for Sanity, SpanishHat and Wilbur to defend, isn't he?

(Maybe they're hoping nobody will ask why calling America a "nightmare" is any better than calling Americans "lazy"...)


It is the first thing that came to my mind...


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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:36:12 AM   
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xssve... shhh... or you will end up on willbe's hide list too
If only.

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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:36:28 AM   
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Would 'sordid history' include things like associating with convicted terrorists, or calling a hateful racist preacher man who preached "god damn America" your spiritual advisor?

And does a sordid history really matter to people...



Well that would depend on if you are going to count Reagans buddy Saddam Hussein as a convicted terrorist and his other buddy Ayatollah Kholmeini as a spiritual advisor or just another convicted terrorist.

And we will mention his other buddies the contras in passing, as well as his buddy Noriega.

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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:37:40 AM   
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No, he does not.

He says that the politicians ("we") have attempted (not succeeded) to make America a nightmare.

I am, by all means, no sympathizer of  Newt Gingrich, but changing his words to attack him is dirty and unacceptable.

Best keep to your analyzing own country`s culture.

We are free to pray the way we want or not at all here in America.

It`s actually been politicians(like newty) who have been forcing religion on folks.

What newty said is that America has turned into (present tense) a nightmare, starting in '63'.



You know,the Pope blamed the church`s molestation/child-rape problems on a secularism.

Damm him to hell for that.



Best you go back to kindergarten. Gingrich said that if they succeeded in doing it, a secular America would be a nightmare. His Spanglish is better than your Hudson County English.

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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:37:57 AM   
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See, theres a true derail 

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Would 'sordid history' include things like associating with convicted terrorists, or calling a hateful racist preacher man who preached "god damn America" your spiritual advisor?

And does a sordid history really matter to people...



Well that would depend on if you are going to count Reagans buddy Saddam Hussein as a convicted terrorist and his other buddy Ayatollah Kholmeini as a spiritual advisor or just another convicted terrorist.

And we will mention his other buddies the contras in passing, as well as his buddy Noriega.


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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:41:39 AM   
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Ayers was never convicted.

This bigot just can`t help fucking lying......almost daily.

Calling the preacher racist without ever showing us something racist that the preacher said = bigot/racist/race-baiting/douch-bag.



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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:41:50 AM   
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Why are we derailing to Obama on a Gingrich thread? Is Gingrich so impossible to defend that the thread has to be derailed?
Short answer......Sanity showed up

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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:43:26 AM   
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Ayers was never convicted.

This bigot just can`t help fucking lying......almost daily.

Calling the preacher racist without ever showing us something racist that the preacher said = bigot/racist/race-baiting/douch-bag.




You might want to read a little bit about Black Liberation Theology if you dont know that Wright is racist.

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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:45:12 AM   
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Prove it....bigot.

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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:45:34 AM   
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Its just amusing how Obama and Michelle hating the United States (apparently) was nothing, yet this snippet of nothingness from Mr Gingrich is supposed to be the end of the world

You need to learn what a true derail is, in other words

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Why are we derailing to Obama on a Gingrich thread? Is Gingrich so impossible to defend that the thread has to be derailed?

In other words....."a true derail"as per sanity, only occurs when someone comes along and uses facts to debunk more bullshit emanating from the sane ones keyboard.

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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:48:24 AM   
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They all know that Wright and company are racist, and more. Somewhere, even with that one it registers, it has to. It just doesnt matter to them because of their, call it 'blind ideology'.





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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:50:28 AM   
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In the neo-con world,everything revolves around them and their POV.The rest of us are just minor players.....


How dare we talk while they interrupt.

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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:51:40 AM   
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They all know that Wright and company are racist, and more. Somewhere, even with that one it registers, it has to. It just doesnt matter to them because of their, call it 'blind ideology'.





Prove it ...bigot.

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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:51:52 AM   
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But this thread is about Newt.

The chief problem is not that Gingrich has been through two divorces and is married to a woman with whom he was having an affair while married to his second wife. Last week, he did himself no good by attributing his lapses to excessive work and patriotism. But Americans don't care that much about sexual probity in politicians. They elected Bill Clinton president after Gennifer Flowers came forward to say she had an affair with him. Following his impeachment over the Monica Lewinsky affair, he left office with the highest approval rating of any outgoing president going back to Dwight Eisenhower.

No, Gingrich suffers from a worse flaw: He is a demagogue, and demagogues don't get elected president of the United States. They get TV attention, they sometimes get big crowds, they even win the occasional primary. But their only essential function is to fail.


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Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has a lot going for him if he decides to run for president -- a famous name, a record of accomplishment, a knack for raising money and a rhetorical flair that appeals to his party's conservative base. It's almost enough to make you forget his central handicap, which is that he is Newt Gingrich. Succeed Barack Obama in the White House? Given his latest news-making, he has a better chance of replacing Charlie Sheen in "Two and a Half Men."
The chief problem is not that Gingrich has been through two divorces and is married to a woman with whom he was having an affair while married to his second wife. Last week, he did himself no good by attributing his lapses to excessive work and patriotism. But Americans don't care that much about sexual probity in politicians. They elected Bill Clinton president after Gennifer Flowers came forward to say she had an affair with him. Following his impeachment over the Monica Lewinsky affair, he left office with the highest approval rating of any outgoing president going back to Dwight Eisenhower.

No, Gingrich suffers from a worse flaw: He is a demagogue, and demagogues don't get elected president of the United States. They get TV attention, they sometimes get big crowds, they even win the occasional primary. But their only essential function is to fail.

The presidential historian Richard Norton Smith, in a telephone conversation, says demagoguery can be defined as "extremism married to flamboyance, and it helps if you have delusions of grandeur." Those qualities, conspicuous in Gingrich, have shown up in other demagogues who aspired to the White House.

There was Alabama Gov. George Wallace, who railed against "anarchists" and "pseudo-intellectuals" while threatening treason charges for antiwar protesters. In 1968, he got 13 percent of the vote and carried five Southern states, a strong showing for a third-party candidate, but nothing more.

There was Pat Buchanan, who ran in the Republican primaries in 1992 and 1996 excoriating gays, atheists and illegal immigrants, winning New Hampshire on his second try. But in the end, Republican voters overwhelmingly went for establishment candidates.

So poorly have rabble-rousers fared in actual presidential contests that they rarely even show up anymore, except in peripheral roles -- as with Republican Alan Keyes and Democrat Al Sharpton. There is no market for them.

The Republican Party, for all its conservative bent, has consistently passed up hard-core right-wingers in favor of comparative centrists, like Bob Dole in 1996 and George W. Bush in 2000. The party's base rarely gets its heart's desire.

Throughout his career, Gingrich has done his best to ingratiate himself with the most rabid ideologues in the GOP. In 1990, he advised fellow House Republicans to refer to Democrats with such words as "sick," "pathetic," "destructive," "anti-family" and "traitors."

He has never lost his penchant for bombast, vitriol and shameless invention. He says Obama "doesn't even have the courage to tell truth about who wants to kill us" and accuses him of "pandering to radical Islam." He claimed that in December, because Congress and Obama agreed to extend the tax cuts, "the economy improved overnight" -- "literally."

There is no claim so reckless or implausible that Gingrich will not make it, with an air of complete certitude. That's the true mark of the demagogue. He is incapable of measured judgments.

With Gingrich, the excess goes beyond adjectives to adverbs. Obama's national security policy is not just mistaken, not just risky, but "enormously dangerous." The administration is guilty not of hypocrisy or utter hypocrisy but "utter total hypocrisy."

The rhetorical volume is always turned up to high -- and then turned up another notch. Incendiary words are to Gingrich what whiskey is to an alcoholic. He can never get enough.

But the people who get elected president know how to convey calm rationality. They come across as grounded and sane. The Obama of 2008 succeeded because he inspired without inflaming. Bush was elected in 2000 as a "compassionate conservative." Bill Clinton won in 1992 by pulling his party back to the center, offering himself as "the man from Hope."

Man from Hope? Gingrich is the man from Fear. When they see someone of that type, most voters think to themselves: Now, that's scary.


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/03/why-newt-gingrich-cannot-be-elected-president#ixzz1eM5jnLcW

Former GOP Congressman John Shadegg, who was a member of the famous Class of '94 which won the Republicans the House majority and Gingrich the speakership, said in an interview, "I think that Romney has the inside track but I think people are looking seriously at Newt."

Two months ago, Shadegg says if you had asked him, he would have said Gingrich was "not a serious candidate." But, he says, things in the race have changed.

Shadegg, who is not yet supporting any candidate, says he's talked with a lot of Republicans who would love to see a debate between Gingrich and Barack Obama. "He has so much more substance than anybody else," says Shadegg. "There's no doubt that his rhetorical skills and knowledge of history exceed those of his opponents."

With this GOP field, the bar isn't set all that high: A Romney supporter and fundraiser told me Romney has certainly "benefited from a far inferior class of candidates to 2008."



http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/11/why-newt-gingrich-will-never-be-president/248456/

Back on topic... Newt.

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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 7:58:52 AM   
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If you arent aware of the problems regarding the "Reverend" Wright already, who Obama threw under the bus himself long ago, then (hopefully) you are being purposely obtuse

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They all know that Wright and company are racist, and more. Somewhere, even with that one it registers, it has to. It just doesnt matter to them because of their, call it 'blind ideology'.





Prove it ...bigot.


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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 8:00:57 AM   
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Again......this whacky primary polling isn`t about newt,or Michele or Herman or Rick or the next con to shoot to the top and fall/fail.

It`s about Mitt Romney.

I heard he has 67% odds of whinning. http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-09/news/30376980_1_image-odds-herman-cain

You grumpy-cons just better get used to the idea of an Obama/Romney presidential race.



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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 8:11:10 AM   
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An early indicator of just that( cons getting the message that Romney will indeed be their candidate) was the conservative congresswoman Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire backing Romney.

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RE: Newty calls America "a nightmare"......?!?!! - 11/21/2011 8:11:41 AM   
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No, he does not.
He says that the politicians ("we") have attempted (not succeeded) to make America a nightmare.
I am, by all means, no sympathizer of  Newt Gingrich, but changing his words to attack him is dirty and unacceptable.

Best keep to your analyzing own country`s culture.
We are free to pray the way we want or not at all here in America.
It`s actually been politicians(like newty) who have been forcing religion on folks.
What newty said is that America has turned into (present tense) a nightmare, starting in '63'.
You know,the Pope blamed the church`s molestation/child-rape problems on a secularism.
Damm him to hell for that.
Best keep your analysis for yourself. In the bathroom.
I am free to say you lied, no matter in your country or mine's. Freedom does not only apply to your nonsense, also to my criticism.
No, Newt did not say that America has turned into a nightmare, it say that they were "driving God out of public life" and that this was an attempt to create a secular state, which would be a nightmare if succeeded, as I told you already.
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"Because we've in fact attempted to create a secular country, which I think is frankly a nightmare."

But apparently you think that lies are ok when used against your enemy. And apparently you have problems with your own native language.
The rest of your points do not change the fact you lied in the OP.
Shame on you for that.

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