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It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 11:30:59 AM   
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Lamb and Lynx Gaede, the dimpled tween rockers whose Nazi-themed pop band, Prussian Blue, sparked an exuberant media firestorm several years back have grown up - and had a change of heart.

“I’m not a white nationalist anymore,” Lamb told The Daily in an exclusive interview, the twins’ first in five years. “My sister and I are pretty liberal now.”…

Now 19, they both still speak in a disarmingly girlish singsong. Their message, however, was not always so sweet. In 2006, the sisters formed the band at the suggestion of White Nationalist leader William Pierce and drew international notoriety... [see picture below]

The twisted appeal, of course, was the incongruity of seeing a racist, anti-Semitic polemic - complete with smiley-face Hitler T-shirts and onstage Sieg Heil-ing - articulated by these cherubic little girls.

Now, the Gaede twins say they have changed their views and attribute their earlier political pronouncements to youthful naiveté. “My sister and I were home-schooled,” Lynx pointed out. “We were these country bumpkins. We spent most of our days up on the hill playing with our goats.”

Lamb agreed. “I was just spouting a lot of knowledge that I had no idea what I was saying,” she said.


The twins’ mother, April Gaede, who has been a prominent member of racist fringe groups like the National Alliance and the National Vanguard, brought up her daughters with the ethos of white nationalism - a mix of racial pride, anti-immigrant hostility, Holocaust denial and resistance to the encroachment of “muds,” i.e., Jews and nonwhites.

But after enrolling in public school and moving to Montana - a predominantly white state, albeit one with a decidedly hippie-ish vibe - Lamb and Lynx decided they simply no longer believed what they’d been taught.

Lynx said, “...I think we should have been pushed toward something a little more mainstream and easier for us to handle than being front-men for a belief system that we didn’t even completely understand at that time. We were little kids.

But their mother April, who is working to create an “intentional” white community in their area, called Pioneer Little Europe, also suspects her daughters’ liberal turn may be a passing phase. “They’re 19,” she said. “I think when they have children of their own, they’ll come to the same conclusions I have.”…

Pot has also helped the twins rekindle the creative impulses they once channeled into their music. They’ve both taken up painting - astrological themes, mostly - and Lynx restores furniture. They hope to enroll in college, and intend to dedicate themselves to making medical marijuana legal in all 50 states.

Yes, as some Libertarians and some conservative extremists tell us - public schools are a bad thing for our children - it corrupts their minds and makes them challenge their parents' way of thinking.

There should be no public schools, no federal or state Departments of Education and all kids should be home-schooled so we wouldn't be wasting tax money - right?





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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 1:34:35 PM   
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Those smiley-hitler T shirts are SO troubling.

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 1:46:26 PM   
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There should be no public schools, no federal or state Departments of Education and all kids should be home-schooled so we wouldn't be wasting tax money - right?


Even the third world doesn't engage in "no educational system". First country that does in the first world will fold.
   Course I know this is a deliberately juxtaposed question. So pat answer it is.



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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 1:47:34 PM   
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Those smiley-hitler T shirts are SO troubling.


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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 2:34:39 PM   
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Even the third world doesn't engage in "no educational system". First country that does in the first world will fold.
   Course I know this is a deliberately juxtaposed question. So pat answer it is.

You are aware that GOP Presidential nominee candidate Ron Paul, based on his libertarian ideology, has called for the abolishment of all public schools and for home-schooling or private schools for all children to be the proper substitute?

You are also aware that GOP Presidential nominee candidates Rick Perry and Michelle Bachman have both called for the abolishment of all public schools, due to the absence in present-day public schools of required courses to teach all children Evangelical Protestant Fundamentalist ideology?

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 3:25:47 PM   
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Glad those girls learned how to think for  themselves.

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 3:37:44 PM   
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Even the third world doesn't engage in "no educational system". First country that does in the first world will fold.
   Course I know this is a deliberately juxtaposed question. So pat answer it is.

You are aware that GOP Presidential nominee candidate Ron Paul, based on his libertarian ideology, has called for the abolishment of all public schools and for home-schooling or private schools for all children to be the proper substitute?

You are also aware that GOP Presidential nominee candidates Rick Perry and Michelle Bachman have both called for the abolishment of all public schools, due to the absence in present-day public schools of required courses to teach all children Evangelical Protestant Fundamentalist ideology?


Here is the hypocritical part.

Ron was the son of a small dairy farmer, the third of 5 sons. If public education had not been available, what would his chances of becoming a Physician had been?

None.

People need to think past the rhetoric. He doesnt believe this any more than anyone else does. It sounds good.. makes a perfect sound bite... and serves only to keep him in the front of people's minds.

The very system that gave him, and his children, their respective careers, their money and their education, is the very system he states he would love to deny everyone else.

He is either lying....

Or he wants to keep people stupid.

Take your pick.

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 5:01:59 PM   
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Yep! Public school is wonderful!

How many of us wished that our teachers ran porn businesses?

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/11/teacher_porn_mysluttyteacher_website_stockton.php

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 5:09:02 PM   
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Yep! Public school is wonderful!

How many of us wished that our teachers ran porn businesses?

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/11/teacher_porn_mysluttyteacher_website_stockton.php

Is there any evidence this interfered with her teaching? If not then the only beef should be about her using the district issued laptop to administer the sites.

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 5:21:57 PM   
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Yep! Public school is wonderful!

How many of us wished that our teachers ran porn businesses?

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/11/teacher_porn_mysluttyteacher_website_stockton.php


One teacher is the public school system?

Does that mean I can start claiming those of the GOP party are all child molesters?

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 10:55:51 PM   
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"Yes, as some Libertarians and some conservative extremists tell us - public schools are a bad thing for our children - it corrupts their minds and makes them challenge their parents' way of thinking."

You may leave this post with the feeling that you just started something. That's not a bad thing but I have a hell of alot to say on the subject. First of all some consider me a racist and some rightly so if they know what that means to me. It seems to me with the existence of your other thread you are trying to explore this subject.

A tricky area indeed, look at what happened to Jimmy The Greek. Not to mention the much maligned National Alliance. They were not right about everything, but the fact is that they were not wrong about everything. I used to read their newsletter every week and though I didn't go to their meetings I know those who did. These are not a fringe group, or at least they weren't when Pierce was alive.

My problem with the National Alliance is that they aren't White enough for me. Before you take that statement the wrong way, read on and condemn me on merit if you choose. Let me ask this; how can a blind person tell if you are Black or White ? Well up until a couple of decades ago vocal tones alone would do it for some, diction or inflection if you will, for others. Not 100% accurate but one way. This has changed. The gene pool has also changed to some degree.

For example Jimmy The Greek predicted the winner of a certain contest based partly on the fact that the contestant was Black. When asked to explain, his response boiled doen to lowest common denominator lingo was that they have bigger ass muscles.

The illusion of equality requires that if one is superior in one way they must be inferior in another, otherwise we are NOT all equal and that blows the whole jig. ON AVERAGE three decades ago Whites were smarter than Blacks. ON AVERAGE. That exceptionalism you mantioned takes on a whole new dimension here eh ?

But I've seen the change. Face it, if you have some age on you and you lived in certain areas, three decades ago if you heard a Black person speak with perfect diction you would be tempted to ask if they are from Europe or something. (and THAT might just lay at the schoolhouse's doorstep)

But things have changed and I can't understand anyone speak anymore. People are all lazy. What used to be an inability is now laziness.

So my buddy has kids. They go to Catholic school and of course they are predominantly White. The subject of race comes up and the attitude was to let them get their own ideas. Cut them loose, let them see how people are. A bit later they come back with "What is wrong with those people", but now that includes EVERYBODY. There are assholes of every color, creed, etc. (think what etc. must mean right there)

So actually I do advocate home schooling to the nth degree, but it should not be used for indoctrination anymore than the public schools, and with that I include the pay schools because there is not always a profound difference academically. Do these Parents pay for their kids to go to a better school or a "White" school ?

Stereotypical views must end when they do not match reality. the fact is things have changed drastically. For better or worse, and for people, for better or worse. But now what does it mean to be White ?

In my old age here I now believe it is to be a conqueror. We got here by killing, by kicking the downtrodden, by taking advantage, by damnear genocide. These boots were made for walking, and they'll walk over anyone anytime anywhere in the fucking world.

We, and I mean "we" in a really weird sense here, have gotten on top by scartching and clawing at everything that breathes and a bunch of shit that doesn't. We are the takers of the world, and indeed calling us the modern Romans, which has been done, would be quite apt.

The National Alliance wanted nothing to do with violence, that's the problem. You want to take over a country do it right. Like the UN says "Absence of opposition". You a real "Racist", well then get killing all the other races. Until then live with it.

And then some of the N.A. types take up with unorganized militias and that fucks things up. But the White "Nationalists" or whatever you want to call them suddenly aren't when they get to the militia. There are Black people in those militias. Now how the fuck do you reconcile that ?

I am still all for home schooling. But after school or whatever you gotta cut em loose out in the world. People are different and that is not a bad thing. They have to learn that. People say racism (the bad kind with the bigotry) is taught in the home. I don't think that's always true. Sure is sometimes but humans are a packish, or clanish type of animal and this happens naturally.

I think getting out of that type of shit is part of what makes us really human rather than some fucking smart bipeds. Unlike others I think we should embrace our differences and keep our heritage. This can be difficult. In the old days in rural communities it seems two places got the community together at all, the school and the church.

You know what ? I think we need a new kind of social setting. I know they do this to some extent but it sould be MUCH more extensive. Town meetings. I don't mean with some dickhead 3,000 miles away on Skype, I mean places like where they have bingo or AA meeting or some shit so many days,,,, get them on the off days. Just people from ethe neighborhood.

But it's just not a church or a school at the time. Some places do this of course I think, but I think alot more people should do it. And the homeschooled kids can meet more other kids here and there, Wives could be exchanging recipes and it would just be so,,,, so ,,,, ,,,, ,, Mayberry.

But whether or not we choose to return to that semiutopic world of yore, I think they should be homeschooled AND go to school.

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 11:17:46 PM   
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"Those smiley-hitler T shirts are SO troubling. "

Damn shame your emotions make you think that way. I thought more of you.

I think our time is better spent thinking about something more important than a cute little yellow doodad some asshole puts on your PC screen. If you are offended by it, that is an emotional problem, personally I think it's cute. Would I use it ? No. Moot point then.

And if the person who created that smiley had an evil intent, you got your ass kicked. So sit down and have a beer, a heavy one, here's a good drinking song forya :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVT8t0oHdWY

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 11:26:38 PM   
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Oh yeah, Montana schools are a beacon of light in these troubled times

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A new report says Montana has one of the highest high school dropout rates in the country.

The new Kids Count report by the Annie E. Casey Foundation says 9 percent of Montana teens ages 16 to 19 had dropped out of high school, putting Montana in a tie for 44th worst among the states. Montana's dropout rate in 2000 was 7 percent.


But I'm sure it's not the teacher's fault

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 11:28:12 PM   
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"Even the third world doesn't engage in "no educational system". First country that does in the first world will fold."

We're probably folding anyway......

Actually it seems a bigger entity is a bigger problem in many ways. When it is corrupt it is alot worse, when it is inept it is alot worse, when it fails it is alot worse.

So the best solution would likely be a decentralization. Taxation for schools ? Sure, but get it from the Parents, not everyone. The Parent has to sign for the school to get the money. And that money comes from taxed Parents. The schools have their book open to the local public. The federal gov does nothing but certify them, buit get this, you arer allowed to use an uncertified school, but at your own risk. The government is just issuing a good housekeeping seal of sorts.

In fact, these schools don't have to be in strict districts. Anyone who signs, and their kids is academically qualified. Bam. This fucking ruins the inequity in the educationaql system in this country in one fell swoop.

I know what I wrote is very close to actually abolishing the whole federal education deal, but the thing is I think if it were done my way it would have the best benefit and theleast negative impact. There's alot of talent down in them hoods. No shit, I know it.

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 11:44:10 PM   
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Ron was the son of a small dairy farmer, the third of 5 sons. If public education had not been available, what would his chances of becoming a Physician had been?


You have erred, not in facts but in conclusion. There were tax supported schools when Ron Paul went to school but I really don't know if the one(s) to which he went were or not. However at that time the federal government had very very little to do with it. In fact back then a diploma from certain cities/states whatever were considered better than others. People carried their diploma with them if they traveled, it wasn't in a PDF on the web somewhere.

I'm trying my memory here, he was born in 1935 which would make him 18 in 1953. Even if there was some federal money coming to his primary school, he could actually think (maybe right) thsat they could've done without it.

I have my own peeves about Ron Paul, but I think he gets the axe unfairly sometimes. He intends to operate on the federal level. When he says he wants to get out of education that means that he wants to get the federal government the fuck out of it, not abolish it totally.

He wold still make the best President, honestly if I voted for him it would be the lesser of two evils. This abortion shit just puts him in my doghouse. MY major proble with the good doctor is the bill he introduced as a congressman which is just about what they wanted to do in one of those southern states - define life beginning as conception.

The only reason I would vote for him is because i know there is no fucking way he would ever get Roe v Wade overturned.

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 11:47:55 PM   
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You are aware that GOP Presidential nominee candidate Ron Paul, based on his libertarian ideology, has called for the abolishment of all public schools and for home-schooling or private schools for all children to be the proper substitute?


You are aware that this would not prohibit neighborhoods, cities, counties or even [egad] states from having their own system ? To collectively do it without federal intervention ? That's how they used to do it.

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/19/2011 11:59:58 PM   
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Is there any evidence this interfered with her teaching? If not then the only beef should be about her using the district issued laptop to administer the sites.


Ken, I percieve you as one of the most stait laced people around here. As such I think maybe we agree that a computer supplied by work, school, whatever, should not be used for anything personal.

In fact I wonder if maybe you were some sort of undercovee MP, while I would be the antithesis of that. But using tools of any kind that belong to someone else for your own purpose should be cleared with them.

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/20/2011 12:12:39 AM   
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Yay for the girls questioning things.

Did any of yall actually read the article?  They were home schooled, and only began to question racist views after going to public school.


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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/20/2011 12:27:33 AM   
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Yep! Public school is wonderful!

How many of us wished that our teachers ran porn businesses?

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/11/teacher_porn_mysluttyteacher_website_stockton.php


Did she do anything with any of her students?

Apparently not.

So what does this have to do with the topic, and how is someone posting on a BDSM site so tight-assed as to complain about another person indulging in porn?

But enjoy your hypocrisy.

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RE: It's amazing how public schools brainwash children - 11/20/2011 4:33:00 AM   
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The main purposes  of the public schools are to warehouse children for a big part of the day, and to brainwash them. Some say  also, to avoid labor competition, as teenagers can learn everything faster and work harder. I do not see this as "amazing".

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