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AdorkableAiley -> RE: Louisiana bans cash for buying second hand goods (10/22/2011 7:59:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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Studying all this law is almost out of the question for normal humans, let alone politicians. There are people who have studied in groups, the UCC, USC, a good piece of federal legislation as well as other forms of law. I think they will tell you that this is unenforcable period.

First of all, if you sell a lawn chair or mower out of a garage sale it is a private transaction. You are not operating in commerce because in such a transaction you are free to take any "tender" you please. The "purchaser" (DO NOT USE THAT WORD IN COURT) can be required to tender, instead of cash, their snow blower, that McDonald's monopoly piece, a set of wrenches or a piece of ass.

This type of regulation then inherently only falls on businesses, which are operating in commerce. And that brings us to another thing, just as the IRS code is only a code, a business can operate this way. You simply rent out a storefront and do it. File nothing. Do not get a vendor's license or anything, do not even keep records. All transactions are either barter or cash. If they even get around to busting you, which will take years, you can actually get out of it. A few things you cannot do, like open a resaurant. Actually you could if you wanted to take on the legal challenge but that is simply not worth it. What's more if there are no records there is no evidence.

Used goods, so now if you buy something refurbished from a company they can't take cash ? What about used cars ? Actually in law most people do not understand though that you do not own a car, you only own a certificate of title to the car. When you "buy a car" you get the car physically but you are buying "certificate of title" which establishes you as holder in good behavior. You get a new certificate of title in your name. The car is still owned by the state. The same is true of real estate. Almost all real estate is used wouldn't ya say ? We are so used to the illusion of that ownership that deep down we know we do not own property. But alot of people don't realize it is the same with cars. Tell me the difference between property taxes and license plate fees. And tell me how they are not making money on it, that they are just protecting us.

For one this cannot apply to private party sales, the first motherfucker with a lawyer (worth a shit) is going to make case law to that effect. Number two, anything that requires a signature to transfer "ownership" is exempt period.

And while it is true that a state is not able to legislate the use of federal currency, which will eventually be proven, the federal government can. Because my friends if you think about it, you do not own the money either. They own it all, we are just using it. RealO is the one to ask about that no matter what you think. He would find the laws pertaining to it, and this time it will not be bullshit.

Let me put it to you this way. You get a piece of paper from the government saying you own property, but they can take it if you don't pay your taxes. You get a piece of paper stating that you "own" a car or a boat, but if they catch you using it for something they don't like, like smuggling or something they can take it. Even if they impound your car for driving on expired plates, they make you pay that "rent" as well as a penalty for not paying on time.

Those federal reserve notes in your pocket are numbered. It's not quite the same thing, but it is not that different. They can take it away. They have done so. The fact is they have taken large sums of money from people who have never done anything wrong, who were traveling out of state to buy a bunch of cattle or something. This is not made up, these people had to fight to get their mioney back. Look at FEAR.ORG for plenty of examples. The fact is that you own nothing. If it can be taken away from you and it is not considered theft, it belongs to those who took it. That would be the government. They can take anything and everything you think you own.

That is because property cannot own property.

They will dictate when and where any property can be exchanged, and what is allowed and what is not. You are a natural resource to be exploited like a fucking crop of wheat.

On the global plantation.

That is how they think folks, call me full of shit but you can't prove me wrong.

T^T


Termy, I can't really explain why, but this made my day!!

[sm=hearts.gif][sm=insane.gif] *smooches!*


Ailey




popeye1250 -> RE: Louisiana bans cash for buying second hand goods (10/24/2011 2:01:26 AM)

Oh, and isn't there something in the federal statutes about "interfering with commerce?"




Termyn8or -> RE: Louisiana bans cash for buying second hand goods (10/24/2011 12:39:43 PM)

There are tons of contradictory statutes.

Y'know what really irks me about this is that it's so fucking lame and impotent at it's supposed intent that I doubt that it's intent is what we think. Or some people think.

They have had a war on cash for a long time, and I think banks are behind almost anything that makes cash less attractive. Cash gives people the freedom to transact anywhere anytime, without a paper trail. As it seems these days someone wants their fingers into every transaction whether by tax or fee, which is technically a tax anyway, it must really bother them that if I hand you a fiver, they don't get a dime out of it.

In the past they used crime as a tool in a different way. They blasted some ridiculous statistic all over the place, something like a robbery occurs every ten seconds or some shit. Working out the odds though it might come out to out of 300,000,000 people you have a 50/50 chance of being robbed every 84.2 years or some shit like that. So basically that lost it's luster.

The war on cash also includes confiscating any semi large to large amounts that LEOs find. They don't even have to accuse you of any wrongdoing, the premise is that if you need that much cash, whatever your intent is, it must be illegal. Read nofear.org for more on that.

See it all started when the banks took this country over. Kinda cool how they did it without a shot fired ain't it ? I can tell you the day, it was the same day that the government called in all the gold. They made it illegal for private citizens to own gold except for small amounts in the form of jewelry or coin. I guess jewelers were exempt somehow. The fact is though, they made it illegal to use gold for it's Constitutionally intended purpose, as lawful money.

Why ?

If you really think about the trends in more long term terms it becomes quite clear. The goal is for we the people not to have anything of value. They will take care of that and what we get is just like credits or tokens. Scrip. Why does the military sometimes use scrip ? To keep the soldiers from doing things that are not approved. It is a form of control.

Aniother thing they don't realize is how resouceful people can be. My buddy ran a chop shop. Well fuck the money for now, he just traded crack for the cars. No cash invloved. When people are lawless, and I mean worse than I, they will find a way. Sooner or later you can find someone who has a bank account/credit card who wants something illegal. Those people come in handy. I've done business that way on both sides of the....... what would be the right word here ? Deposit slip ?

The difference here though is that I am not a drug addict. A drug addict will make things happen. I mean if you are a fine upstanding person with money in the bank, and you want to make a few bucks, there are many opportunities. At one time I would have been able to buy a car on a credit card. Insurance can be a wonderful thing, and in the meantime siome dirty work can get done and nobody gets caught. Shit like that can make you alot of money if you deal with the right people.

So it's not really cash. But if they got rid of cash altogether, if you do too much they will start to ask why you paid a $900 electric bill for a total stranger. Your only choice is not to answer, to simply refuse. They will assume that whatever you got for that money was illegal, whether it's drugs, weapons or pieces of ass. Anything else you can get at Walmart.

This is control. Laws control some people. The government writes laws to control people. They want more control, so they write more laws. Insidious, but truly doing their job. We just have this problem that most people do not know what their job really is. If people really knew, there would be a revolution. Well maybe not, people really are starting to become like sheep, or as Wm. Pierce called them "lemmings". I fucking resent it.

And when you have no cash, you are totally at their mercy. However there is another twist, if people don't TAKE cash.......... Try to rent a car with cash. They're working on this from both angles. And now you have SS and many other things now requiring you to tke direct deposit. Even if they pay you in debit card, if you have no account, when you go get your money there is a fee. Go figure,.

T^T




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