RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011

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mnottertail -> RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011 (10/19/2011 12:54:46 PM)
Yeah, he was primarily a socialist, which is why any good teabagger would doubt his claims to christianity, or christian values.

slvemike4u -> RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011 (10/19/2011 12:56:56 PM)
Or that he would have voted for Bush ?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011 (10/19/2011 1:35:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Think Nottertail gave the cogent facts. Your support for him is pretty alarming. He's a disgusting fuck. No matter how you cut him. Oh, come on DYB. The cogent fact is that one of the Republican candidates could be the Son of God himself, and neither you, nor Ron, nor mike, nor many of the lefties on this board would vote for him, and would look for dirt to dig up on him as well. That's the "cogent facts". [:)] There you go...yet when I posted ,originally, that I did not feel you would be interested in my opinion on this group you responded in the contrary . Now as far as "cogent facts" go...I was a registered republican till 2008...and had,to my now everlasting shame,voted for the governor of Texas in the 2000 and 2004 elections.This was,as I now see it a huge mistake.one borne of distaste for the Clinton machine( which led to Gore) and personal bitterness wholly my own.Thank god I have seen my way thru the bitterness and am once again a happy person who casts his votes accordingly[:D] For my previous transgressions all I can say is...mae cullpa,mae cullpa,mae cullpa. mike, Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I don't want to hear your opinion. I've learned more sometimes, from people who disagree with me, than I do from people who agree with me. Firm

slvemike4u -> RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011 (10/19/2011 1:48:10 PM)
All well and good Firm,and to be sure I do take you at your word for that...and yet the post I quoted seems to belie that viewpoint.In it you assert,perhaps correctly,that I ...and others....would never vote for any of these candidates,and go on to say that we would even look up dirt( no comment on whether or not that dirt was there,and if it was the value in someone exposing it )so that leads me back to my first assertion ie: any contribution I might have to this thread would be dismissed as partisan,slanted and biased. Now I am going to repeat something that I said earlier,whether or not you or anyone else believes it is,of course, up to them...but were the Republican Party to come more into line with what I perceive as the best interests of this country and it's citizenry, and put forth a candidate that reflected that...I would have absolutely no issue voting for said candidate....It is not the brand I object to...it is what it has come to stand for and the goals of it's current plank that I oppose vehemently

farglebargle -> RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011 (10/19/2011 1:57:06 PM)
THE BOOK OF MORMON - I Believe lyrics Elder Price: Ever since I was a child I tried to be the best So, what happened? My family and friends all said I was blessed So, what happened? It was supposed to be all so exciting to be teaching of Christ 'cross the sea, But, I allowed my faith to be shaken. Oh, what's the matter with me? I've always longed to help the needy To do the things I never dared. This was the time for me to step up So, then, why was I so scared? A warlord who shoots people in the face. What's so scary about that? I must trust that my Lord is mightier And always has my back. Now I must be completely devout I can't have even one shred of doubt... I believe that the Lord, God, created the universe. I believe that He sent His only Son to die for my sins. And I believe that ancient Jews built boats and sailed to America I am a Mormon, And a Mormon just believes. You cannot just believe part way, You have to believe in it all. My problem was doubting the Lord's will Instead of standing tall. I can't allow myself to have any doubt. It's time to set my worries free. Time to show the world what Elder Price is about! And share the power inside of me... I believe that God has a plan for all of us. I believe that plan involves me getting my own planet. And I believe; that the current President of The Church, Thomas Monson, speaks directly to God. I am A Mormon, And, dang it! a Mormon just believes! I know that I must go and do The things my God commands. I realize now why He sent me here. If You ask the Lord in faith, He will always answer you. Just believe in Him And have no fear! I believe that Satan has a hold of you I believe that the Lord, God, has sent me here And I believe that in 1978, God changed his mind about black people! You can be a Mormon.. A Mormon who just believes! And now I can feel the excitement. This is the moment I was born to do. And I feel so incredible To be sharing my faith with you. The Scriptures say that if you ask in faith, If you ask God Himself he'll know. But you must ask Him without any doubt And let your spirit grow... I believe that God lives on a planet called Kolob. I believe that Jesus has his own planet as well. And I believe that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri. If you believe, the Lord will reveal it. And you'll know it's all true. You'll just feel it. You'll be a Mormon And, by gosh! A Mormon just believes! Oh, I believe. I believe.

tazzygirl -> RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011 (10/19/2011 1:57:39 PM)
quote: Cain's "9-9-9" program? Every dollar I earn by actually working for it (not because I inherited it from my parents or grandparents or got it by selling a stock or receiving a stock dividend but by actually working for it) gets taxed 9% - and then if I buy anything with it, it gets taxed 9% AGAIN? Why doesn't he just call it his "Working people pay 18% tax - drones pay nothing" program? Its not 18%, its closer to 27%. http://www.collarchat.com/m_3888212/tm.htm

TreasureKY -> RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011 (10/19/2011 3:33:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Getting a bj is a WHOLE lot different then laying divorce papers on your sick wife in the hospital. Thats a level of nastiness that you just can't talk your way around. But, I'd love to see him as your nominee!!!!! If that is what had happened, I would agree. However, it isn't. Setting the Record Straight by Jackie Gingrich Cushman (daughter of Newt and the sick wife referred to above) "I was 13 years old, and we were about to leave Fairfax, Va., and drive to Carrollton, Ga., for the summer. My parents told my sister and me that they were getting a divorce as our family of four sat around the kitchen table of our ranch home. Soon afterward, my mom, sister and I got into our light-blue Chevrolet Impala and drove back to Carrollton. Later that summer, Mom went to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta for surgery to remove a tumor. While she was there, Dad took my sister and me to see her. ... My mother and father were already in the process of getting a divorce, which she requested. Dad took my sister and me to the hospital to see our mother." Think Nottertail gave the cogent facts. Your support for him is pretty alarming. He's a disgusting fuck. No matter how you cut him. So... no admitting that you made incorrect assertions. Got it. [8\|]

FirmhandKY -> RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011 (10/19/2011 3:37:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u All well and good Firm,and to be sure I do take you at your word for that...and yet the post I quoted seems to belie that viewpoint.In it you assert,perhaps correctly,that I ...and others....would never vote for any of these candidates,and go on to say that we would even look up dirt( no comment on whether or not that dirt was there,and if it was the value in someone exposing it )so that leads me back to my first assertion ie: any contribution I might have to this thread would be dismissed as partisan,slanted and biased. mike, I apologize for placing you in that category, then. quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Now I am going to repeat something that I said earlier,whether or not you or anyone else believes it is,of course, up to them...but were the Republican Party to come more into line with what I perceive as the best interests of this country and it's citizenry, and put forth a candidate that reflected that...I would have absolutely no issue voting for said candidate....It is not the brand I object to...it is what it has come to stand for and the goals of it's current plank that I oppose vehemently I kinda see a bit of difference between "the brand" and their plank ... but it's kinda nebulous. [8D] Firm

slvemike4u -> RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011 (10/19/2011 3:59:46 PM)
Perhaps I shouldn't have confused the issue by using those terms....my meaning was this...I have nothing per se,historically speaking,against the Republican Party...I do have issues with the GOP's current direction and it's viewpoints ...I feel it is a party of exclusion that has ,for far too long now,dealt in the politics of divisiveness.Were they to turn over a new leaf(for want of a better phrase) and evict the religious right from the drivers seat(as a first step to be sure) I would be far more willing to consider a Republican candidate.As it is today though I am assured of ,in my mind anyway,a few things....in order for a given candidate to make it through Republican vetting he must first subscribe to a test of party orthodoxy that immediately means he is ,again in my mind,unsuited for me,in good conscious,to be able to vote for him. It is my fervent wish that some day...and hopefully in the immediate future I can once again ,in clear conscious,be offered a choice in a national election.

samboct -> RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011 (10/19/2011 4:44:14 PM)
Hi Mike Better be careful about this religious right stuff- it's a bit dated. Yes, there's an Anita Bryant generation that's been pretty horrific on both morals and spending, but the kids coming up identifying as evangelicals- well, they might have more in common with liberals than you might think. Same kind of ranking for problems- such as Darfur, Somalia, Iraq, economics, as many of us elsewhere in the religious spectrum- and gay marriage is a non-starter as an issue for them. They may be the Democrats to lose if we tar them with the same brush as their elders. As they say- politics makes strange bedfellows. Sam

Endivius -> RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011 (10/19/2011 8:28:42 PM)
If RP doesn't get the nod, and I seriously doubt that he will, I will not be voting. He's the only one of the Reps that is coherent and doesn't spend his time attacking the other noms. He answers the questions directly and says exactly how he intends to make changes. Some of his ideas are very bold and achievable, others are very radical and unrealistic. A few are bizzare. Of the choices available, he's the only one that completely supports the ideas of liberty for all citizens; regardless of religeon or sexual orientation, isn't interested in seeing the US stick thier military noses in the affairs of other nations, and most importantly IMHO does not change sides. He has an idea or opinion, and he sticks to it. If he's wrong about something, he is accountable to that, and does not blame others or make excuses. Additionally, the vast majority of the things he has brought to the public stage in the past have all become true, he warned about Iraq, Afghanistan, and the housing bubble, as well as the wall street collapse several years before they happened. Everyone said, 'Oh you silly old man..." And now they write him off like he just got lucky with a few random predictions. Cain will not get the Nom so long as he adhere's to his 999 plan. If you think the poorest 47% of the country is ok with having thier income drop by 27% your fucking insane. I'd be happy to pay more taxes, I can afford it. The single mom working at walmart? Not so much. EDIT : type-o

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011 (10/20/2011 11:17:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Endivius Cain will not get the Nom so long as he adhere's to his 999 plan. If you think the poorest 47% of the country is ok with having thier income drop by 27% your fucking insane. I'd be happy to pay more taxes, I can afford it. The single mom working at walmart? Not so much. You mean he will not get the nod unless he explains it better, because the poorest 47% would not have their income drop by 27%, not even close.

mnottertail -> RE: Las Vegas Republican Debate: Oct 18, 2011 (10/20/2011 11:19:39 AM)
more on the order of 50%, then....

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