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mnottertail -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 11:28:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Why do leftists have to lie, and claim there was ever a lie

And claim we stole any oil

And make all their other intellectually dishonest assertions, and flat out lies




They don't. Lying is the purview of the far right, solely.

Here are some examples for you as credible citation:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3313610/tm.htm
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3322683/mpage_1/tm.htm#3322779
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3307923/mpage_1/tm.htm#3308546
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2865734/mpage_1/tm.htm#2865734
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2241701/mpage_2/m.htm#2242764
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2208759/mpage_1/tm.htm
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3141591/mpage_3/tm.htm#3141932
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3149128/mpage_6/tm.htm#3155290
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3311472/mpage_2/tm.htm#3311701

campaign finance reform
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3679502/mpage_2/tm.htm#3681060


Clipping perversion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_2865734/mpage_3/tm.htm#2866721


http://www.collarchat.com/m_2865734/mpage_3/tm.htm#2866721
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3334248/mpage_2/tm.htm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3334248/mpage_3/tm.htm#3334830


Rush/BP
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3313610/mpage_1/tm.htm




SternSkipper -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 11:29:27 AM)

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Get a life.

Keep saying stuff like that Dick and they'll figure out it's you. Least you didn't use your standard testimony to the US Senate "Go Fuck Yourself"... That one's a dead giveaway. Remember what we told ya about giving up Willbee as Karl Rove... oops





Sanity -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 11:31:53 AM)


Anything for a derail, mnot? [:D]




mnottertail -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 11:35:43 AM)

see next.




mnottertail -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 11:38:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

No, I was answering a few of your ubitquious boldly asserted lies, with credible fact and citations that irrefutably prove you constantly engage in lying.

I know you have no idea. That is always the case. Study your proverbs.





Politesub53 -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 11:43:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I wonder how many leftists truly yearn for the horror filled years that Iraq and Iraq neighbors suffered under Saddam and sons, and how many leftists just repeat these ridiculous talking points that theyve never thought through



US plans for Iraq Oil prior to 9/11. Just two of a multitude of stories on the subject.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2461214.ece





Moonhead -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 12:05:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: erieangel

In 2007, many Iraqis said they were much better off under Saddam's rule than they were under to US-led coalition. 

Just about the only people who say the Iraqis are better off with rolling black outs, lack of clean water, increased illiteracy (Iraq had had previously a 90% + literacy rate), lack of educational opportunities (under Saddam, if you were smart enough to pass an entrance exam, you went to college for free) and lack of health care (Iraq was one of those nations that provided socialized medicine)...are US officials and RW pundits who are in favor of war and forced democracy.  But hey, lets not let facts get in the way.



You're missing out the gay thing as well. Apparently Islamic homophobia is a terrible and wicked thing, unless it's done with the backing of a shi'te quisling government the US put into power, in which case it's a good thing, and shouldn't be dwelt on.

For instance: the fact that self righteous zealots are tracking down and murdering gay Iraqis in a manner that never happened under the secular Hussein dictatorship = good thing. Ahminnadinnajacket's constant gay bashing next door = bad thing.
What is the difference between Iraq and Iran that makes such a difference to how acceptable these two cases are?




SternSkipper -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 12:09:02 PM)

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His crime? Setting sixty million Iraqis and Afghans free...

What an asshole.

This thread has me so upset I already outed Willbe and now everybody knows he's Karl Rove... good thing knows who you really are...






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farglebargle -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 12:21:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Why do leftists have to lie, and claim there was ever a lie



I'm not lying. Here's a list:

Overt Acts

A. On December 9, 2001, CHENEY announced on NBC's Meet the Press that "it was pretty well confirmed" that lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta had met the head of Iraqi intelligence in Prague in April 2001, which statement was, as CHENEY well knew, made without reasonable basis and with reckless disregard for the truth, because it was based on a single witness's uncorroborated allegation that had not been fully investigated by U.S. intelligence agencies.

B. On July 15, 2002, POWELL stated on Ted Koppel's Nightline: "What we have consistently said is that the President has no plan on his desk to invade Iraq at the moment, nor has one been presented to him, nor have his advisors come together to put a plan to him," which statement was deliberately false and misleading in that it deceitfully implied the President was not planning an invasion of Iraq when, as POWELL well knew, the President was close to finalizing detailed military plans for such an invasion that he had ordered months previously.

C. On August 26, 2002, CHENEY made numerous false and fraudulent statements including: "Simply stated there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us," when, as CHENEY well knew, this statement was made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that the IC's then prevailing assessment was that Iraq had neither nuclear weapons nor a reconstituted nuclear weapons program.

D. On September 7, 2002, appearing publicly with Blair, BUSH claimed a recent IAEA report stated that Iraq was "six months away from developing a [nuclear] weapon" and "I don't know what more evidence we need," which statements were made without basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that: (1) the IAEA had not even been present in Iraq since 1998; and (2) the report the IAEA did write in 1998 had concluded there was no indication that Iraq had the physical capacity to produce weapons-usable nuclear material or that it had attempted to obtain such material.

E. On September 8, 2002, on Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, RICE asserted that Saddam Hussein was acquiring aluminum tubes that were "only suited" for nuclear centrifuge use, which statement was deliberately false and fraudulent, and made with reckless indifference to the truth in that it omitted to state the following material facts: (1) the U.S. intelligence community was deeply divided about the likely use of the tubes; (2) there were at least fifteen intelligence reports written since April 2001 that cast doubt on the tubes' possible nuclear-related use; and (3) the U.S. Department of Energy nuclear weapons experts had concluded, after analyzing the tubes's specifications and the circumstances of the Iraqis' attempts to procure them, that the aluminum tubes were not well suited for nuclear centrifuge use and were more likely intended for artillery rocket production.

F. On September 8, 2002, RUMSFELD stated on Face the Nation: "Imagine a September 11th, with weapons of mass destruction. It's not three thousand, it's tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children," which statement was deliberately fraudulent and misleading in that it implied without reasonable basis and in direct contradiction to then prevailing intelligence that Saddam Hussein had no operational relationship with al Qaeda and was unlikely to provide weapons to terrorists.

G. On September 19, 2002, RUMSFELD told the Senate Armed Services Committee that "no terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people than the regime of Saddam Hussein," which statement was, as Rumsfeld well knew, made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that: (1) Hussein had not acted aggressively toward the United States since his alleged attempt to assassinate President George H. W. Bush in 1993; (2) Iraq's military forces and equipment were severely debilitated because of UN sanctions imposed after the 1991 Gulf War; (3) the IC's opinion was that Iraq's sponsorship of terrorists was limited to ones whose hostility was directed toward Israel; and (4) Iran, not Iraq, was the most active state sponsor of terrorism.

H. On October 1, 2002, the defendants caused the IC's updated classified National Intelligence Estimate to be delivered to Congress just hours before the beginning of debate on the Authorization to Use Military Force. At the same time, the defendants caused an unclassified "White Paper" to be published which was false and misleading in many respects in that it failed to include qualifying language and dissents that substantially weakened their argument that Iraq posed a serious threat to the United States.

I. On October 7, 2002, in Cincinnati, Ohio, BUSH made numerous deliberately misleading statements to the nation, including stating that in comparison to Iran and North Korea, Iraq posed a uniquely serious threat, which statement BUSH well knew was false and fraudulent in that it omitted to state the material fact that a State Department representative had been informed just three days previously that North Korea had actually already produced nuclear weapons. The defendants continued to conceal this information until after Congress passed the Authorization to Use Military Force against Iraq.

J. Between September 1, 2002, and November 2, 2002, BUSH traveled the country making in excess of thirty congressional-campaign speeches in which he falsely and fraudulently asserted that Iraq was a "serious threat" which required immediate action, when as he well knew, this assertion was made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth.

K. In his January 28, 2003 State of the Union address, BUSH announced that the "British have recently learned that Iraq was seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa" which statement was fraudulent and misleading and made with reckless disregard for the truth, in that it falsely implied that the information was true, when the CIA had advised the administration more than once that the allegation was unsupported by available intelligence.

L. In a February 5, 2003, speech to the UN, POWELL falsely implied, without reasonable basis and with reckless disregard for the truth, that, among other things: (1) those who maintained that Iraq was purchasing aluminum tubes for rockets were allied with Saddam Hussein, even though POWELL well knew that both Department of Energy nuclear weapons experts and State Department intelligence analysts had concluded that the tubes were not suited for nuclear centrifuge use; and (2) Iraq had an ongoing cooperative relationship with al Qaeda, when he well knew that no intelligence agency had reached that conclusion.

M. On March 18, 2003, BUSH sent a letter to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate which asserted that further reliance on diplomatic and peaceful means alone would not either: (1) adequately protect United States national security against the "continuing threat posed by Iraq" or (2) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant UN Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, which statement was made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that, as BUSH well knew, the U.S. intelligence community had never reported that Iraq posed an urgent threat to the United States and there was no evidence whatsoever to prove that Iraq had either the means or intent to attack the U.S. directly or indirectly. The statement was also false because, as BUSH well knew, the UN weapons inspectors had not found any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and wanted to continue the inspection process because it was working well.

N. In the same March 18, 2003 letter, BUSH also represented that taking action pursuant to the Resolution was "consistent with continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001," which statement was entirely false and without reasonable basis in that, as BUSH well knew, Iraq had no involvement with al Qaeda or the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 371.




SternSkipper -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 12:58:12 PM)

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I'm not lying. Here's a list:

Overt Acts


He's confusing you re-publishing already verified data from bona fide news agencies with the fragmented pablum his handlers pay him to spread, It's sad what some guys will do for minimum wage these days.





Lucylastic -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 1:09:15 PM)

If I were paying for someone to write pablum, I would want someone who did it well.
When it gets shot down so completely the way it is here, they would be out on their arse very quickly




imperatrixx -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 3:25:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


His crime? Setting sixty million Iraqis and Afghans free...

What an asshole.



Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose?




Sanity -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 4:08:43 PM)


Do you two go out into thunderstorms dressed like that, by any chance [:D]

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

quote:


I'm not lying. Here's a list:

Overt Acts


He's confusing you re-publishing already verified data from bona fide news agencies with the fragmented pablum his handlers pay him to spread, It's sad what some guys will do for minimum wage these days.






Owner59 -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 4:19:47 PM)

The name of the book is an insult.

His stupid quips about known knowns and knowns, unknown knowns and unknown unknowns, etc....

Sick sick man.







heartcream -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 4:45:27 PM)

Yah!!!




Owner59 -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 4:48:21 PM)

You Canadians were smart enough not to get suckered into disaster-Iraq.

Kudos.




Owner59 -> RE: Protesters in Calgary demand Dick Cheney be arrested for war crimes (9/29/2011 4:58:17 PM)

One of the most fucked up and tragic things about it was the poor slobs who lived there.

They had to live under a real jerk and go along to get along.

The shop keepers,the taxi drivers,the oil rig guys,the average Iraqis who just wanted to raise their families and live in peace.

The commoners who had no connection to Saddam,let alone al-queda.

One day you`re taking cab fares and the next day you`re in Abu Ghraib prison getting dogs sic`d on you, while you`re stripped naked,sometimes with your family watching.

Talk about a grim trip.




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