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Fightdirecto -> How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 7:45:11 AM)
Colorado Cops arrested for drunk driving in Wyoming quote: Two Colorado police officers traveling to represent their department at another lawman’s funeral are on desk duty after authorities said they took an alcohol-fueled ride through Wyoming with their emergency lights flashing and a beer cooler in the back seat. Aurora officers Bradley B. Bickett and Gerald Kirby, each with more than 30 years on the force, are accused of speeding past traffic with their emergency lights on and tossing trash from a window on their way to the South Dakota funeral of a fallen police officer. Their squad car was pulled over Wednesday after a volunteer firefighter spotted the car driving erratically on a state highway outside Torrington, Wyo., about 50 miles northeast of Cheyenne. Bickett faces charges of driving while impaired, careless driving, and speeding, and Kirby faces charges of littering... Goshen County Sheriff’s Captain Bryan Morehouse told Denver’s KUSA-TV he smelled alcohol and found beer in a cooler inside the car when he stopped them. Goshen County Sheriff Donald J. Murphy said yesterday that Bickett’s blood alcohol level tested at 0.08 percent, the level at which he said a driver is presumed to be under the influence. Another test determined his level was 0.077 percent, Murphy said... Murphy said yesterday that he’s received some complaints from officers in other departments about the arrests. But he insisted his deputies had no choice. Cops Won’t Arrest Colleagues for DUI quote: Denver’s police monitor has released an analysis concluding that Denver police officers have been routinely looking the other way for years, not arresting fellow officers when they catch each other driving drunk. “It appears reasonable to conclude that off- duty DPD officers may have, in the past, received preferential treatment by not being arrested for DUI violations when there is no related traffic collission,” wrote Richard Rosenthal, the independent monitor for Denver who provides oversight of the police, fire and sheriff’s departments in Denver. In a four page analysis that is part of his quarterly report, Rosenthal noted that in the six years he has been in his position, no DPD officer has been arrested for DUI by another DPD officer unless they were involved in a traffic collision. He said Denver officers have been arrested five times for DUI, but only after there had been a crash. 'You suck,' Denver police officer tells Silverthorne cop during DUI arrest quote: His blood alcohol level measured three times the legal limit when he crashed his Jeep, swore at officers and demanded special treatment... According to an arrest report from the Silverthorne Police Department, off-duty Denver Police Officer Jesse M. Sandoval drove his Jeep Cherokee off the road in the 200 block of Wildernest Road just after 8 p.m. on Feb. 17, 2010. When officers approached Sandoval, he claimed he was on his cell phone when he swerved off the road, but Silverthorne officers said his speech was slurred, his eyes were watery and pink and he smelled of alcohol. He also stated he had a gun in the vehicle, which was confiscated by Silverthorne Police. The report says Sandoval identified himself as a Denver Police officer and asked for the responding officers to "help a fellow officer out and take him home."... "I'll tell you what; we used to take care of police when I used to work in Chicago. We take care of each other. You suck. I have never, ever, ever (expletive) another policeman. And I don't know what you guys do up here," he said. "You guys are being over the top because you think I'm a bad policeman. I'm such a bad person. I didn't do anything you (expletive) haven't done in your lifetime."..."You are the biggest (expletive) I've ever met. I worked in Chicago. Chicago PD and now I work in Denver. You know what, I've worked in two big cities and you know what, this is not the way we treated (expletive) the police, never. God bless you. I hope you feel good about yourself when you go home tonight," Sandoval said. Should police arrest other police found to be driving under the influence or should they just look the other way?

littlewonder -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 7:59:54 AM)
police officers who get caught drunk driving should get a stiffer sentence for the simple fact that they are the legal authorities, they should know better and for being dumbasses. I have absolutely zero tolerance for anyone who drinks and drives...none whatsoever and even less for police who get caught. I can't even begin to tell you how angry I get from drunk drivers. Any police officer who catches another and lets him off the hook should be fired immediately once it's found to be happening.

flcouple2009 -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 8:09:31 AM)
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Fightdirecto -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 8:13:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder police officers who get caught drunk driving should get a stiffer sentence for the simple fact that they are the legal authorities, they should know better and for being dumbasses. I have absolutely zero tolerance for anyone who drinks and drives...none whatsoever and even less for police who get caught. I can't even begin to tell you how angry I get from drunk drivers. Any police officer who catches another and lets him off the hook should be fired immediately once it's found to be happening. So what of Officer Sandoval's comment to the police who arrested him for drunk driving? quote: We take care of each other...I've worked in two big cities and you know what, this is not the way we treated (expletive) the police, never. Isn't the real world made of of cops and civilians - and cops have to "take care of each other"? [;)] I am reminded of a former Chicago cop I met in the Army in Viet-Nam who told us that, at the Chicago Police Academy, he was told by his instructors, "Anyone you meet who is not a fellow policeman is a criminal who just hasn't been caught yet - and that is how you should treat them."

farglebargle -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 8:13:20 AM)
Dry fuck em in the ass with a baseball bat. Seriously, they should lose their licenses, and after they lose their licenses, their jobs, since they're no longer able to perform their assigned duties.

DarkSteven -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 8:14:48 AM)
Fightdirecto, I need to provide a little background here. In the last year, the Denver police department has had a change in management. Unfortunately, Charles Garcia, who was actually enforcing rules, resigned. Some articles: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_18187932?IADID=Search-www.denverpost.com-www.denverpost.com http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_17825981?IADID=Search-www.denverpost.com-www.denverpost.com Pushback against Garcia: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_18385825?IADID=Search-www.denverpost.com-www.denverpost.com http://www.denverpost.com/billjohnson/ci_18436921?IADID=Search-www.denverpost.com-www.denverpost.com The resignation: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_18561669?IADID=Search-www.denverpost.com-www.denverpost.com It's pretty evident that Denver's police had a good ol' boy network in place prior to Garcia. In two high profile cases, cops beat suspects who were restrained or innocent bystanders, and then trumped up charges against them. They lied during an investigation, which is in itself a fireable offense. The fact that they lied when the evidence was recorded and would obviously be played back during the investigation shows either that they were dumb as hell, or more likely, that they expected to be let off by their peers even in the face of evidence. To answer your question, I believe that cops should be held to a higher standard, not lower, than the population at large.

pahunkboy -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 8:19:26 AM)
Denver is corrupt.

rulemylife -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 8:21:52 AM)
Well I don't really have an opinion one way or the other. But it has always been that way. I used to work with an ex-cop who had to retire because he had back and hip problems after someone rear-ended him in his cruiser. He drank a lot because he was always in pain. I was with him when he got pulled over and when he was asked for his license he opened his wallet and when he started to pull it out the other cop saw his badge in his wallet and just told him to be careful.

LillyBoPeep -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 8:23:50 AM)
i can't really add anything except to say my opinion is already well-represented by littlewonder. dumbasses. the good ol' boy back-patting thing with cops drives me bananas.

tj444 -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 8:36:03 AM)
I read a study some time ago that said cops have the same psychological profile as criminals, in other words, if they hadnt become a cop they would be in jail... If cops want the respect of the public and expect the public to obey the law, then they themselves must also obey the laws... but when they dont, they do a disservice to their fellow officers cuz the public thinks of all cops as the same and not to be trusted (just like posted above that civilians are all criminals that havent been caught yet).. imo, everyone should be treated the same, including cops,.. judges, firefighters, lawyers, doctors,..

LaTigresse -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 8:43:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 none This is my opinion also. However it is a rosy, unrealistic, point of view. I have two business cards in my wallet that I've been advised to hand to a sheriff with my driver's license, if I ever get pulled over. One for Linn County and one for Johnson County. I've been pulled over but have never used those business cards. I don't know that I ever will but I cannot promise I won't. Generic Dude used to know most of the Linn Co. sheriffs and a lot of the city guys. Most of them were also prior, or current part time military. When we lived in Cedar Rapids, I don't think we ever got pulled over. There is a double standard and there always will be. How far it is taken, depends on the level of corruption/location, and what the alleged crime is.

rulemylife -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 8:45:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep i can't really add anything except to say my opinion is already well-represented by littlewonder. dumbasses. the good ol' boy back-patting thing with cops drives me bananas. I guess I do have an opinion on this despite my previous statement. Would you not support those who are in the same job, especially in a dangerous line of work?

JWriter -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 8:49:01 AM)
The police should be held to a higher standard than other citizens, because, one cannot respect those who enforce the law, if they do not actually follow the law, themselves. I have absolute respect for a police officer, though, who does his best to keep himself law-abiding and then goes out of his way to give regular people more benefit of the doubt or breaks in situations where breaks can be given. You know, for small infractions, I have no problem with cops giving each other breaks, for that matter. It's hard to be fully law-abiding all the time, and, some things should only be enforced when strictly necessary. Drunk driving, however, is completely disgusting, and, to be driving drunk, with an accomplice, using a cop car, probably while getting paid, is not just one crime, but, several, and, against the community as a whole.

Fightdirecto -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 8:55:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JWriter Drunk driving, however, is completely disgusting, and, to be driving drunk, with an accomplice, using a cop car, probably while getting paid, is not just one crime, but, several, and, against the community as a whole. Not to mention using the flashing lights on your squad car while driving drunk.

tj444 -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 8:58:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife I guess I do have an opinion on this despite my previous statement. Would you not support those who are in the same job, especially in a dangerous line of work? if you were a cop, you would want to work beside a cop that drank and was waving a gun around? do you think that a cop that drinks does so only off hours? If i was in construction i would not want to work with a construction worker that was drunk or if a Doctor be operated on by a Doctor that was drunk.

littlewonder -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 9:10:49 AM)
quote: So what of Officer Sandoval's comment to the police who arrested him for drunk driving? quote: quote: We take care of each other...I've worked in two big cities and you know what, this is not the way we treated (expletive) the police, never. What do I think? He's an ass and he should be thrown in jail, lose his license and his badge.

DarkSteven -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 9:14:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JWriter You know, for small infractions, I have no problem with cops giving each other breaks, for that matter. It's hard to be fully law-abiding all the time, and, some things should only be enforced when strictly necessary. An example? Having your lawn grow too long? Jaywalking? What?

subrob1967 -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 9:54:21 AM)
I don't cut them any slack...Period. The last Deputy Sheriff I caught, I called in their Sergeant on duty, and informed them both I was arresting the guy. The Sergeant agreed with my decision, and didn't try the "courtesy" bullshit.

Real0ne -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 10:17:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JWriter The police should be held to a higher standard than other citizens, because, one cannot respect those who enforce the law, if they do not actually follow the law, themselves. I have absolute respect for a police officer, though, who does his best to keep himself law-abiding and then goes out of his way to give regular people more benefit of the doubt or breaks in situations where breaks can be given. You know, for small infractions, I have no problem with cops giving each other breaks, for that matter. It's hard to be fully law-abiding all the time, and, some things should only be enforced when strictly necessary. Drunk driving, however, is completely disgusting, and, to be driving drunk, with an accomplice, using a cop car, probably while getting paid, is not just one crime, but, several, and, against the community as a whole. what about noncitizens? I think cops and any corporation hired by the guv to perform quasi guv services should have complete immunity because they are part of the club.

flcouple2009 -> RE: How much slack should cops cut other cops caught drunk driving? (8/13/2011 11:17:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Would you not support those who are in the same job, especially in a dangerous line of work? Not in breaking the law

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