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SuzeCheri -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/6/2011 10:57:19 PM)

Some threads, like this one, are so dumb that it's painful to read them.

That's right Suze, and that's why we decided that when we come across one, we'll do everybody a favour and provide a quick synopsis of the thread, so they can be up to speed, yet not have to suffer through the actual thread.

So here is the first ever TDB Thread Summary!!

Post #1 (A): The other side sucks! Here's a really dumb news story that proves nothing offered as support.
#2 (B): Both sides suck
#3 (C): A sucks.
#4 (C): Welcoming B while reinforcing the message of Post #3 (A sucks).
#5 (B): Thanks C for the welcome - very polite, I like B.
#6 (D): A is wrong, he has it backwards.
#7 (C): D sucks
#8 (E): Introduces an inane requirement designed to refute the the premise of Post #1
#9 (F): Inane rant basically saying D not only sucks but is a racist and a liar as well.
#10 (G): C is always wrong, except this time; A does suck.
#11 (A): Answers E by repeating what is in the dumb story in Post #1 - introduces made up facts, but proves nothing.
#12 (E): A sucks & repeats inane requirement from post #8
#13 (A): Attempts to narrows thread topic so far as to render the entire thing even more meaningless
#14 (A): C & G suck
#15 (H): Poses semi rhetorical questions to refute Post #6, rewords basic original premise adding empty patriotic rhetoric in a failed attempt to make the thread worthwhile.
#16 (D): Actual reply to semi-rhetorical question in Post #15. Things are looking up a little.
#17 (E): Obama sucks.
#18 (I): Obama is a right winger.
#19 (D): Obama really sucks.










Owner59 -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/6/2011 11:06:30 PM)

^ Well,when you move out of mom and dad`s hoose and pay a mortgage,you`ll understand(maybe) how important and serious having a job is.

It`s as serious as a heart attack right now.

To Domimus...


I don`t shop Walmart.

If I preached that we should buy American and shopped at Walmart,then that would be hypocritical.

That`s what hypocrisy is.Do as I say,not as I do.

The word isn`t a trash word to be throw around meaninglessly and at anyone, willy-nilly.It refers to a specific behavior.

I think at the very least,people running to be the president of the United States should spend their campaign millions in the Unites States.

The three smarter ones who got caught are reversing course and pledging on their websites that all the shwag is American made.So the news piece did some good and got validated.

I`m very disappointed with Ron Paul tho,who said he`ll still buy over-seas in spite of railing against the feds over unemployment.



snappykappy -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 2:15:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

Some threads, like this one, are so dumb that it's painful to read them.

That's right Suze, and that's why we decided that when we come across one, we'll do everybody a favour and provide a quick synopsis of the thread, so they can be up to speed, yet not have to suffer through the actual thread.

So here is the first ever TDB Thread Summary!!

Post #1 (A): The other side sucks! Here's a really dumb news story that proves nothing offered as support.
#2 (B): Both sides suck
#3 (C): A sucks.
#4 (C): Welcoming B while reinforcing the message of Post #3 (A sucks).
#5 (B): Thanks C for the welcome - very polite, I like B.
#6 (D): A is wrong, he has it backwards.
#7 (C): D sucks
#8 (E): Introduces an inane requirement designed to refute the the premise of Post #1
#9 (F): Inane rant basically saying D not only sucks but is a racist and a liar as well.
#10 (G): C is always wrong, except this time; A does suck.
#11 (A): Answers E by repeating what is in the dumb story in Post #1 - introduces made up facts, but proves nothing.
#12 (E): A sucks & repeats inane requirement from post #8
#13 (A): Attempts to narrows thread topic so far as to render the entire thing even more meaningless
#14 (A): C & G suck
#15 (H): Poses semi rhetorical questions to refute Post #6, rewords basic original premise adding empty patriotic rhetoric in a failed attempt to make the thread worthwhile.
#16 (D): Actual reply to semi-rhetorical question in Post #15. Things are looking up a little.
#17 (E): Obama sucks.
#18 (I): Obama is a right winger.
#19 (D): Obama really sucks.



now suzecheri dont hold back and tell us what you think about this discussion thread



snappykappy -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 2:40:16 AM)

ok here is my take on this thread taking a word or couple of words from each post

1. half of them
2. hypocrite
3. troll
4. some losers
5. welcome
6. your nonsense
7. post boner
8. check on every
9. pussies
10. annual
11. ass-hats
12. liar
13. reject as false
14. perfect together
15. that failed
16. the clown in chief
17. and mexican drug cartels
18. should run for second term
19. he can win
20. on both tickets

so lets see if this works with certain words of each post while adding a few words and changing a few

half of them are hypocrite trolls and some are losers welcoming your nonsense, posting a boner and checking on every pussy. the annual ass-hats lieing and rejected as false. perfectly together the failed the clown in chief, and the mexican drug cartels should run for a second term and can win on both tickets.

on second thought this did not make any sense at all




tweakabelle -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 5:55:26 AM)

Stick at it snappykappy! David Bowie wrote a few hit songs using this method - which he in turn had borrowed from William Burroughs. So you're employing a technique with a rich pedigree!



thishereboi -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 6:37:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Owner59 = TROLL



And this takes care of my annual complete agreement moment with Real



Yes, same here. Never would have thought that would happen.



I also notice 59 made no mention of the fact that most of them didn't have a clue where the shirts came from and promised to change suppliers. Not sure why I would expect anything less from a troll who thinks 4 men doing something means Republican = hypocrite. For some reason he seems to think if anyone on the right does something wrong it means everyone on the right is bad.



Owner59 -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 6:48:27 AM)

"I also notice 59 made no mention of the fact that most of them didn't have a clue where the shirts came from and promised to change suppliers."

And this vindicates who,and why?

That fact only makes them look worse.

Do I have to mention every detail?I`ll leave the nit-picking you someone more adept at it, like yourself.

Some said "it was a rush order" and that was why they ordered overseas.So those campaigns knew.Newtie used the excuse,"I don`t do those jobs",meaning the ordering of shwag.

It`s leadership really.The campigns that did buy US made,knew what they were buying and why.

If that`s how they are going to act as president of the United States,blame others or the "weather" for their fuck-ups,shouldn`t we ought to know now before they get the job?



FirmhandKY -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 7:23:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

Some threads, like this one, are so dumb that it's painful to read them.

That's right Suze, and that's why we decided that when we come across one, we'll do everybody a favour and provide a quick synopsis of the thread, so they can be up to speed, yet not have to suffer through the actual thread.

So here is the first ever TDB Thread Summary!!

Post #1 (A): The other side sucks! Here's a really dumb news story that proves nothing offered as support.
#2 (B): Both sides suck
#3 (C): A sucks.
#4 (C): Welcoming B while reinforcing the message of Post #3 (A sucks).
#5 (B): Thanks C for the welcome - very polite, I like B.
#6 (D): A is wrong, he has it backwards.
#7 (C): D sucks
#8 (E): Introduces an inane requirement designed to refute the the premise of Post #1
#9 (F): Inane rant basically saying D not only sucks but is a racist and a liar as well.
#10 (G): C is always wrong, except this time; A does suck.
#11 (A): Answers E by repeating what is in the dumb story in Post #1 - introduces made up facts, but proves nothing.
#12 (E): A sucks & repeats inane requirement from post #8
#13 (A): Attempts to narrows thread topic so far as to render the entire thing even more meaningless
#14 (A): C & G suck
#15 (H): Poses semi rhetorical questions to refute Post #6, rewords basic original premise adding empty patriotic rhetoric in a failed attempt to make the thread worthwhile.
#16 (D): Actual reply to semi-rhetorical question in Post #15. Things are looking up a little.
#17 (E): Obama sucks.
#18 (I): Obama is a right winger.
#19 (D): Obama really sucks.

Oh, my!

I think I like these ladies!  [:)]

Firm



Owner59 -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 7:27:14 AM)

"painful to read them."

They must be pain sluts, then.[:D]



FirmhandKY -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 7:29:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

"painful to read them."

They must be pain sluts, then.[:D]

They may be.  I don't know.

But I think they hit a bulls-eye.  And the pain you are experiencing, is likely from exposure, eh?  [:D]

Firm



Owner59 -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 7:37:02 AM)

I`m do`n fine buddy.Thanks for think`n of me.

We know why you`re in pain, tho.


Yup,another bash republican thread......


One day you`ll learn that just having to defend something, means it`s already to late.The barn doors or something or an other.



tj444 -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 7:46:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

Some threads, like this one, are so dumb that it's painful to read them.

That's right Suze, and that's why we decided that when we come across one, we'll do everybody a favour and provide a quick synopsis of the thread, so they can be up to speed, yet not have to suffer through the actual thread.

So here is the first ever TDB Thread Summary!!

Post #1 (A): The other side sucks! Here's a really dumb news story that proves nothing offered as support.
#2 (B): Both sides suck
#3 (C): A sucks.
#4 (C): Welcoming B while reinforcing the message of Post #3 (A sucks).
#5 (B): Thanks C for the welcome - very polite, I like B.
#6 (D): A is wrong, he has it backwards.
#7 (C): D sucks
#8 (E): Introduces an inane requirement designed to refute the the premise of Post #1
#9 (F): Inane rant basically saying D not only sucks but is a racist and a liar as well.
#10 (G): C is always wrong, except this time; A does suck.
#11 (A): Answers E by repeating what is in the dumb story in Post #1 - introduces made up facts, but proves nothing.
#12 (E): A sucks & repeats inane requirement from post #8
#13 (A): Attempts to narrows thread topic so far as to render the entire thing even more meaningless
#14 (A): C & G suck
#15 (H): Poses semi rhetorical questions to refute Post #6, rewords basic original premise adding empty patriotic rhetoric in a failed attempt to make the thread worthwhile.
#16 (D): Actual reply to semi-rhetorical question in Post #15. Things are looking up a little.
#17 (E): Obama sucks.
#18 (I): Obama is a right winger.
#19 (D): Obama really sucks.


Thanks girls.. you saved me from a lot of painful reading and the unavoidable headache that would come with it.. Keep up the good work!.. [:)]



MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 7:49:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
If they had them made in the US and they were more expensive because of US regulations, THAT would have been hypocritical, not your nonsense.


First, I would like to know what these 'US T-Shirt Regulations" you speak of are. I'm sure you would be more than happy to show the exact laws that make USA Made T-Shirts more expensive than imported ones due ONLY from goverment regulations.

Second, which should trump more, when one is running for president of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA: Capitalism or Made in the USA?

The four Republicans that failed this first (of many) tests should be held responsible for not knowing what happens in their camp. Since being President, one had to keep an eye on an even GREATER amount of things than just a simple presidental election organization. Come on, even President Obama passed this test with flying colors, and his job in certainly tougher than all the GOP candidates combined!


Start with taxes, though Im sure there are many others. Embarassingly easy. And neither capitalism nor made in the usa is running for POTUS. Its the clown in chief vs anybody is better.



I was going to stay out of this one (mainly because, I believe it is silly and unfair to hold any candidate accountable for where their campaign T-shirts are made. I agree that it is a non-story.

However, I could not let that piece of nonsense slide. El Salvador has a top marginal corporate rate of 25% with no loopholes. The average corporate effective tax rate in the US has fallen down to 22.2%. Even if you figure El Salvadoran companies pay an effective rate of 15%, the 7% difference on EBIDTA is of no significance.

To address the OBVIOUS elephant in the room. The difference is wages and benefits. NOT taxes. US workers have an 8-hour workday and 40-hour work week, and are paid wages closer to a socially acceptable US standard of living. (notice I said "closer to"). They also have benefits, and (to wilbur's point) there are SS and Medicare as well.

But to say that "taxes" and other unnamed regulations are the market driver is pure nonsense.





joether -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 9:13:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
If they had them made in the US and they were more expensive because of US regulations, THAT would have been hypocritical, not your nonsense.

First, I would like to know what these 'US T-Shirt Regulations" you speak of are. I'm sure you would be more than happy to show the exact laws that make USA Made T-Shirts more expensive than imported ones due ONLY from goverment regulations.

Second, which should trump more, when one is running for president of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA: Capitalism or Made in the USA?

The four Republicans that failed this first (of many) tests should be held responsible for not knowing what happens in their camp. Since being President, one had to keep an eye on an even GREATER amount of things than just a simple presidental election organization. Come on, even President Obama passed this test with flying colors, and his job in certainly tougher than all the GOP candidates combined!

Start with taxes, though Im sure there are many others. Embarassingly easy. And neither capitalism nor made in the usa is running for POTUS. Its the clown in chief vs anybody is better.


I do believe I asked for for SPECIFIC goverment regulations. If your 'educated', 'adult', 'learned' mind can only come up with the broad concept of 'taxes' you have FAILED the arguement. You were the one that stated a vague term to slam the arguement. I wanted specific and exact (also total). I know, you know, and EVERYBODY else on here already knows you dont have an arguement on this issue. You have no ability to 'put your money where your mouth is' on this one.

Second, I asked you a very specific question, that you ducked (I wonder why...). Which must mean your happy to sell out your fellow Americans in favor of imported stuff.



joether -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 9:21:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
I was going to stay out of this one (mainly because, I believe it is silly and unfair to hold any candidate accountable for where their campaign T-shirts are made. I agree that it is a non-story.


I find it rather curious that someone claiming to be the 'Ideal American President' sells out on Americans for cheap imports. Rather hard to be taken seriously don't you think? Particularly when there are many folks out of jobs. Why didn't that campaign money go towards American Jobs? I believe thats a fair question to ask.

Second (as with anything else), if the President was found doing the same thing, how many conservatives would be bashing him, while hiding their own candidates were doing the same? Come on, this is pretty simple political science. Half their candidates were found to be hypocrites on a very serious issue facing the country and dont have a valid and/or acceptable excuse for it. If they dont know whats going on in their camp (which is small), why should Americans think (or take them seriously) when and if, they are President of the United States (which is quite a LARGE organization)? That too is a fair question to ask.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
However, I could not let that piece of nonsense slide. El Salvador has a top marginal corporate rate of 25% with no loopholes. The average corporate effective tax rate in the US has fallen down to 22.2%. Even if you figure El Salvadoran companies pay an effective rate of 15%, the 7% difference on EBIDTA is of no significance.

To address the OBVIOUS elephant in the room. The difference is wages and benefits. NOT taxes. US workers have an 8-hour workday and 40-hour work week, and are paid wages closer to a socially acceptable US standard of living. (notice I said "closer to"). They also have benefits, and (to wilbur's point) there are SS and Medicare as well.


Elephant? You addressed the mule in the room, NOT, the elephant. You compared the United States to El Salvador. What is the GDP of El Salvador? Is it even or even close to the United States? I want to make sure we are talking 'dollar to dollar' rather than 'apples to oranges'.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 10:13:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
If they had them made in the US and they were more expensive because of US regulations, THAT would have been hypocritical, not your nonsense.


First, I would like to know what these 'US T-Shirt Regulations" you speak of are. I'm sure you would be more than happy to show the exact laws that make USA Made T-Shirts more expensive than imported ones due ONLY from goverment regulations.

Second, which should trump more, when one is running for president of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA: Capitalism or Made in the USA?

The four Republicans that failed this first (of many) tests should be held responsible for not knowing what happens in their camp. Since being President, one had to keep an eye on an even GREATER amount of things than just a simple presidental election organization. Come on, even President Obama passed this test with flying colors, and his job in certainly tougher than all the GOP candidates combined!


Start with taxes, though Im sure there are many others. Embarassingly easy. And neither capitalism nor made in the usa is running for POTUS. Its the clown in chief vs anybody is better.



I was going to stay out of this one (mainly because, I believe it is silly and unfair to hold any candidate accountable for where their campaign T-shirts are made. I agree that it is a non-story.

However, I could not let that piece of nonsense slide. El Salvador has a top marginal corporate rate of 25% with no loopholes. The average corporate effective tax rate in the US has fallen down to 22.2%. Even if you figure El Salvadoran companies pay an effective rate of 15%, the 7% difference on EBIDTA is of no significance.

To address the OBVIOUS elephant in the room. The difference is wages and benefits. NOT taxes. US workers have an 8-hour workday and 40-hour work week, and are paid wages closer to a socially acceptable US standard of living. (notice I said "closer to"). They also have benefits, and (to wilbur's point) there are SS and Medicare as well.

But to say that "taxes" and other unnamed regulations are the market driver is pure nonsense.





Too bad the vast majority of T-shirt makers are small businesses that pay personal, not corporate income tax rates, well above 25% with no loopholes. Fail again, MJ, but keep trying.



jlf1961 -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 10:30:16 AM)

Lets face it, politicians are hypocrites.it has been said in this thread at least once.  Republicans as a whole are just misguided egotistical lunatics.



MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 10:51:19 AM)

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Too bad the vast majority of T-shirt makers are small businesses that pay personal, not corporate income tax rates, well above 25% with no loopholes. Fail again, MJ, but keep trying.



LOL... I am not sure that is true. Let us assume it is.

The T-shirt maker's EBITDA + any other personal income would have to be over 83.6k if single or 139.35k if married. That's pure profit just to exceed the MARGINAL 25% tax rate (effective rate MUCH lower).

That is one SUCCESSFUL US T-Shirt maker!

1) No significant tax difference
2) Zero tax reason to make T-shirts in El Salvador VS the US
3) Lower wages, and zero benefits (admittedly including SS and medicare) IS however.


Thanks for making point again!



erieangel -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 12:37:37 PM)


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Too bad the vast majority of T-shirt makers are small businesses that pay personal, not corporate income tax rates, well above 25% with no loopholes. Fail again, MJ, but keep trying.
[/quote]


I hate this "small businesses pay personal income tax rates. Any company, no matter how small, can incorporate thereby relieving themselves of the higher rates. Duh.



Arpig -> RE: Republican = Hypocrite (8/7/2011 12:40:44 PM)

OK, where the T-Shirts were bought is a non-issue, we're not talking any really job-saving sized orders here, but this: 
quote:

If they dont know whats going on in their camp (which is small), why should Americans think (or take them seriously) when and if, they are President of the United States (which is quite a LARGE organization)? That too is a fair question to ask.
is a valid issue. The "I didn't know" crowd pretty much shot themselves in the foot, even if the decision was made by somebody below them, the urge to shift blame makes them look shifty and weak. Not exactly the sort of guy you want in the big chair.



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