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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 6:43:40 AM   
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The Ideological Religious (examples: Christian Reconstructionists/Domininionists/"Religious Right")


This is a problem for me.. along with the following...

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Ideological Atheists (examples: Sam Harris/Richard Dawkins)


Do all atheists believe like Harris or Dawkins?  Do they all agree with their pov's?

Who are you referring too as the Ideological Religious?

Is it the assumption that all religious people believe as they do?


The adjective indicates the discussion is of a subset of the religious.

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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 7:01:07 AM   
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Actually, the discussion isnt just about the religious.  Try  answering the questions.

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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 7:20:04 AM   
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DYB, I don't know any Christian "right" or Christian "left."
Sounds like you know a few.
Are you the organist in church?


I was for years.  A non-denominational evangelical one at that.

The "I don't know any so they don't exist" argument is weak.   Very weak.


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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 7:47:01 AM   
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Is there such a thing as Christian "left"?

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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 8:42:52 AM   
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Is there such a thing as Christian "left"?

Yes.

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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 9:10:20 AM   
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Thank you Master Kirata... always learn a lot from you.  

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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 12:40:17 PM   
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Do all atheists believe like Harris or Dawkins? 


No - just like not all Christians believe like the late Jerry Falwell or the 700 Club's Pat Robertson or Michelle Bachmann.
Harris and Dawkins speak, IMO, for a minority of atheists, and are the modern-day version of the Heberists in France during the French Revolution.

Dechristianisation of France during the French Revolution

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The Hebertist programme of dechristianization was waged first against Catholicism, and eventually against all forms of Christianity. It included::
* confiscation of all church lands and property
* removal of statues, plates and other iconography from places of worship
* destruction of crosses, bells and other external signs of worship
* the enactment of a law on October 21, 1793 making all Roman Catholic priests and all Protestant ministers and all persons who harboured them liable to death on sight.

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Who are you referring to as the Ideological Religious?


Christian Reconstructionism Beliefs & Practices

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If the Christian Reconstructionists/Dominionists gained control of the US federal government, there would be many changes:

* The use of the death penalty would be greatly expanded, when the Hebrew Scriptures' laws are reapplied. People will be executed for adultery, blasphemy, heresy, homosexual behavior, idolatry, prostitution, evil sorcery (some translations say Witchcraft), etc. The Bible requires those found guilty of these "crimes" to be either stoned to death or burned alive. Reconstructionists are divided on the execution method to be used.

* A church or congregation that does not accept the Mosaic Law has another god before them, and is thus guilty of idolatry. That would be punishable by death. That would include all non-Christian religious organizations. At the present time, non-Christians total two-thirds of the human race, so the slaughter would be enormous.

* The status of women would be reduced to almost that of a slave as described in the Hebrew Scriptures. A woman would initially be considered the property of her father; after marriage, she would be considered the property of her husband.

* It would be logical to assume that the institution of slavery would be reintroduced, and regulated according to Biblical laws. Fathers could sell their daughters into slavery. Female slaves would retain that status for life. Slave owners would be allowed to physically abuse them, as long as the slaves lived for at least a day before dying of the beating.

* ...Reconstructionists generally believe in marriage between one man and one woman only. Any other sexual expression would be a capital crime. Those found guilty of engaging in same-sex, pre-marital or extra-marital sex would be executed.

* Governments would all have balanced budgets.

* Income taxes would be eliminated.

* The prison system would be eliminated. A system of just restitution would be established for some crimes. The death penalty would be practiced for many other crimes. There would be little need for warehousing of convicted criminals.

* Legal abortions would be banished; those suspected to be responsible for abortions would be charged with murder. If found guilty, they would be executed.


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Is it the assumption that all religious people believe as they do?


The assumption on the part of the Ideological Religious is that anyone not agreeing with them 100% (such as a Roman Catholic, an Episcopalian, a Methodist, a Unitarian, a Jew, a Moslem, an agnostic, an atheist, etc.) is a follower of Satan and an enemy to be eliminated so that there can be a "Kingdom of God" on Earth.

The assumption on the part of the Ideological Atheist is that anyone believing in any form of a God, Goddess, Gods or Goddesses is a mental defective and an enemy to be eliminated so that there can be a "Kingdom of Reason" on Earth.

Someone who is Ideological Religious or Ideological Atheist believes in using the law and the power of government to punish or eliminate anyone who does not share their belief or non-belief system.

The majority of Religious and the majority of Atheists, however, believe in "Live and let live".

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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 12:47:18 PM   
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~grins~

Finally someone with a clear way of seeing this issue.  Thank you.


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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 4:06:51 PM   
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"Bitching" and "reveng" are not synonyms.
Conan did revenge. Somebody who's been debagged at school bitches.
Slight difference there, dig?

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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 4:24:24 PM   
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The majority of Religious and the majority of Atheists, however, believe in "Live and let live".


Atheists don't believe, that is the whole point of atheism. Atheism is only a belief in the heads of religionists because they, ironically denigrate atheism by claiming it is a belief. Atheists don't believe in god because thewre is no evidence for god, like there is no evidence for the pink elephant dancing on your picket fence.

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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 4:39:05 PM   
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Atheists don't believe in god because thewre is no evidence for god, like there is no evidence for the pink elephant dancing on your picket fence.

Do you believe that there aren't any pink elephants dancing on your picket fence?

K.

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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 4:51:40 PM   
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Atheists don't believe in god because thewre is no evidence for god, like there is no evidence for the pink elephant dancing on your picket fence.

Do you believe that there aren't any pink elephants dancing on your picket fence?

K.


No, I lack evidence that there are pink elephants dancing on my picket fence.

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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 5:22:46 PM   
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Do you believe that there aren't any pink elephants dancing on your picket fence?

No, I lack evidence that there are pink elephants dancing on my picket fence.

Leave the dancing on fences bit to the pink elephants... they're better at it.

K.

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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 5:37:05 PM   
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The majority of Religious and the majority of Atheists, however, believe in "Live and let live".

Atheists don't believe, that is the whole point of atheism. Atheism is only a belief in the heads of religionists because they, ironically denigrate atheism by claiming it is a belief. Atheists don't believe in god because thewre is no evidence for god, like there is no evidence for the pink elephant dancing on your picket fence.

Pardon moi.

The majority of Religious and the majority of Atheists, however, believe in the concept of "Live and let live".

Feel better now?

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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/6/2011 10:10:22 PM   
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Some people are so touchy about a word (believe) that has more than just a religious context.

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RE: Is the "Christian Right" movement "r... - 8/7/2011 7:12:23 AM   
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The majority of Religious and the majority of Atheists, however, believe in "Live and let live".


Atheists don't believe, that is the whole point of atheism. Atheism is only a belief in the heads of religionists because they, ironically denigrate atheism by claiming it is a belief. Atheists don't believe in god because thewre is no evidence for god, like there is no evidence for the pink elephant dancing on your picket fence.


MEAT is BACK! 

How ya doing, MC?  You've been away a long time!

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