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ORIGINAL: Icarys

I found this pretty interesting so I thought I'd pass it on to others who might not have seen it. The guy makes a pretty compelling argument, not to mention the court ruling in favor of Mr. Harrell's Income Tax case, which he WON! WTH?!?!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

I found this pretty interesting so I thought I'd pass it on to others who might not have seen it. The guy makes a pretty compelling argument, not to mention the court ruling in favor of Mr. Harrell's Income Tax case, which he WON! WTH?!?!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

I found this pretty interesting so I thought I'd pass it on to others who might not have seen it. The guy makes a pretty compelling argument, not to mention the court ruling in favor of Mr. Harrell's Income Tax case, which he WON! WTH?!?!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

I found this pretty interesting so I thought I'd pass it on to others who might not have seen it. The guy makes a pretty compelling argument, not to mention the court ruling in favor of Mr. Harrell's Income Tax case, which he WON! WTH?!?!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

Great post!!  Not too many liberals on this board will understand it or even watch the video for that matter.  But the creation of the Federal Reserve has been attacked by Rand Paul and Steve Lonegan of New Jersey as, perhaps, the greatest threat to individual liberty in the U.S. 

Here is where I disagree with your post.  Fascism was a creation of Mussolini.  In and of itself, it isn't a political doctrine, rather it is a concomitant of circumstances central to a political doctrine.  The political doctrine is socialism.  The essential concomitants are rabid nationalism and secularism.  Your post says "Freedom to Fascism" and I think you are mistaken.  I think it is more accurate to say "Freedom to Socialism".  What we lack in this country is pervasive secularism, which, however, is on the rise I will admit.  We also lack rabid nationalism.  People in this country have been trained to hate it because of "slavery" or "corporate greed" or "unequal opportunity" (for this group or that group) or Japanese internment during WWII or genocide to the Indians or whatever.  The fact is that you do not have rabid nationalism in the U.S.A. So while you certainly have burgeoning socialism, you do not have any of the other attendant ingredients to foment fascism.

Just some random thoughts off the top of my head, take them for what they are worth.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

I found this pretty interesting so I thought I'd pass it on to others who might not have seen it. The guy makes a pretty compelling argument, not to mention the court ruling in favor of Mr. Harrell's Income Tax case, which he WON! WTH?!?!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

I found this so ridiculous that I had to pass on my thoughts to you.

Aside from all the conspiracy nonsense, let me ask you how a society functions without a source of revenue?

How do the things you use everyday magically get paid for?

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

I found this pretty interesting so I thought I'd pass it on to others who might not have seen it. The guy makes a pretty compelling argument, not to mention the court ruling in favor of Mr. Harrell's Income Tax case, which he WON! WTH?!?!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

I found this so ridiculous that I had to pass on my thoughts to you.

Aside from all the conspiracy nonsense, let me ask you how a society functions without a source of revenue?

How do the things you use everyday magically get paid for?

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Yeah, but I kind of like all the things we've gotten since 1913. Like airports, or air conditioning at the DMV. I mean I guess we could cut spending back to those 1913 levels but that would leave Alaska and Hawaii kind of screwed, since their percentage of the budget would probably be like zero.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

I found this pretty interesting so I thought I'd pass it on to others who might not have seen it. The guy makes a pretty compelling argument, not to mention the court ruling in favor of Mr. Harrell's Income Tax case, which he WON! WTH?!?!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

Great post!!  Not too many liberals on this board will understand it or even watch the video for that matter.  But the creation of the Federal Reserve has been attacked by Rand Paul and Steve Lonegan of New Jersey as, perhaps, the greatest threat to individual liberty in the U.S. 

Here is where I disagree with your post.  Fascism was a creation of Mussolini.  In and of itself, it isn't a political doctrine, rather it is a concomitant of circumstances central to a political doctrine.  The political doctrine is socialism.  The essential concomitants are rabid nationalism and secularism.  Your post says "Freedom to Fascism" and I think you are mistaken.  I think it is more accurate to say "Freedom to Socialism".  What we lack in this country is pervasive secularism, which, however, is on the rise I will admit.  We also lack rabid nationalism.  People in this country have been trained to hate it because of "slavery" or "corporate greed" or "unequal opportunity" (for this group or that group) or Japanese internment during WWII or genocide to the Indians or whatever.  The fact is that you do not have rabid nationalism in the U.S.A. So while you certainly have burgeoning socialism, you do not have any of the other attendant ingredients to foment fascism.

Just some random thoughts off the top of my head, take them for what they are worth.

Of course you are completely wrong.

Socialism is defined as the govt. ownership of the means of production...period.

Fascism is the political equivalent of removing all politics as a practice or science from society, i.e., perpetual one-party rule. A fascist state is a police state where everything is owned by the govt. and its cronies, including you. How one gets there doesn't change that.

In fact it was Mussolini himself who informed the world of his newly defined fascism, as a marriage of govt. and the capitalist and that capitalist fascism is the natural order of society relieving the citizens of making any decisions.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Of course you are completely wrong.

Socialism is defined as the govt. ownership of the means of production...period.

Fascism is the political equivalent of removing all politics as a practice or science from society, i.e., perpetual one-party rule. A fascist state is a police state where everything is owned by the govt. and its cronies, including you. How one gets there doesn't change that.

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The 16th Amendment, as the video FAILS to mention, was ratified by fourty-two of the forty-eight states. Three opposed it and three just couldnt make up their minds on it. I guess since the conservatives fail at reality, they must think Alaska and Hawaii should get a vote before its considered 'ok'.

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ORIGINAL: joether

The 16th Amendment, as the video FAILS to mention, was ratified by fourty-two of the forty-eight states. Three opposed it and three just couldnt make up their minds on it. I guess since the conservatives fail at reality, they must think Alaska and Hawaii should get a vote before its considered 'ok'.

The second part is the narration accuses "Those Evil Bankers" of bribing Congress to set up the Federal Reserve. Of course if your going to accuse someone of a serious crime like that, one would expect some REAL, INDEPTH, and ACCURATE..........EVIDENCE! None was given. Is that how America works? That we can attack others with serious crimes without an ounce of real evidence or a living witness to support it? If that's the case, then I say round up all the Tea Party idiots and charge 'em with treason! Nice the narration passes judgetment without the defense allowed a word, or that of an impartial judge put in place by our elected officals whom 'We the People' elected to represent us. If that's the case, not only are those Tea Party guys guilty but the penalty is is....death. Anyone that supports this video's 'understanding' of justice or the American system of courts, wouldn't be able to lift a finger in protest against this action as well.

Third, this video feels like one of those 'anti-Clinate Change' videos that conservatives push forth. It tries to give 'some science' mixed with 'tinfoil hat' conspiracy screwball-ish-ness. Anyone without a decent background in science simply doesnt know how badly they've been lied to, and follow the narration that Climate Change is just some 'liberal' agenda thought up to 'tax us with science!'. Some of these videos bring forth 'scientists' who 'go on record' in saying Climate Change is false and misleading. What the video's never bother to mention (can't imagine why), is that the person quoted was either A) misquoted B) Speaking on something in scientific terms not layman terms, or C) has already been discredited by the scientific community. Funny that we have so many anti-climate change folks on these very boards whom we regularly have to debunk their latest 'retarded theory'. Because if they took the time to RESEARCH the garbage they were posting, they might have found it was debunked in another thread eight months previously and/or debunked through a simple online search.

Finally, the only people we see trying to remove this tax, are the same silly fools that dont stop and think things through to their logical conclusions. The Income Tax is structured (mostly) so that the poor are not hammered in taxes. Since the poor must buy virtually everything 'off the shelf' because they lack the knowledge, location, raw materials, or labor to perform what ever task, issue, or food situation that arises. The middle class fairs a bit better. In the days before even the Clinton Administration, the Income Tax was focussed more on the rich paying the bulk of the taxes rather than the poor. This also helped the middle class grow over the decades. Now, its largely the middle class paying for taxes, as it slips 'year after year' into the 'poor' grouping. While the rich, just get richer as time progresses.

If doing your income taxes is so tough, it might be because you havent used that portion of your brain in a year. You know, the one that handles 'thinking for yourself'?

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We the People' elected to represent us

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Of course you are completely wrong.

Socialism is defined as the govt. ownership of the means of production...period.

Fascism is the political equivalent of removing all politics as a practice or science from society, i.e., perpetual one-party rule. A fascist state is a police state where everything is owned by the govt. and its cronies, including you. How one gets there doesn't change that.

So .. the only difference between "Communism" and "Fascism" is that Fascist have some cronies along for the ride?

Firm

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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We the People' elected to represent us

well they did not!

show me where the people voted to pay federal income tax.

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ORIGINAL: RealOne
This shit is supposed to percolate uphill but it did not, the states cannot represent a non-cause, they can however "present" it, and of course that is despotism and tyranny! 

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ORIGINAL: RealOne
further congress was not granted the authority to change the government at will.