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How much money does the United States give in foreign aid? - 7/24/2011 10:05:08 PM

Marini

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Cut this, cut that, cut social security, raise the age to get social security, cut money to the states, cut programs, etc.

WHY THE FUCK DON'T I HEAR ABOUT CUTTING FOREIGN AID????
Most of the foreign aid we give is not even going to help poor people!!
When will people wake up?

WHO GETS FOREIGN AID?

How much of our "foreign aid" goes to help poor people?

Vaughs DETAILED US FOREIGN Aid Summaries!

The poorest countries get the LEAST aid?
The richest countries get the MOST aid?

WTF??? and you want to cut my what? and raise what?

If we are so damn hard up that we have to cut assistance and money to the elderly, the poor, and the disenfranchised we need to fucking stop "giving" out so much foreign fucking aid, especially to rich countries.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/24/2011 10:20:48 PM

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Amen to that. The government also needs to get out of these free trade deals and bring decent jobs back. More people with real jobs = more tax revenue for the government to pay off the debt with. None of the politicians want to talk about that. They'd rather cut the big three and watch the resulting riots to amuse themselves.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/24/2011 10:31:40 PM

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Amen to that. The government also needs to get out of these free trade deals and bring decent jobs back. More people with real jobs = more tax revenue for the government to pay off the debt with. None of the politicians want to talk about that. They'd rather cut the big three and watch the resulting riots to amuse themselves.

At the very least, if they are going to make serious cuts to the big 3, they damn well better make some serious cuts to foreign aid {ESPECIALLY who is getting what}.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/24/2011 10:45:55 PM

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Form a posse. Seriously, they are in a position to take, and they are not going to stop until they become unable to take. Without insurrection, just how is that accomplished ?

Note that I completely agree with you, a country with our debt load should not be giving away any money at all. I have thought about it in depth, and I keep coming up with the same conclusion. The ballot box is not going to do it, especially now that we don't have it anymore anyway (note the vote fraud thread). Concievably we could all write in a candidate and get the fucking bums out, but how do you write in a name on a voting machine ?

Die, that's my solution. Just live out our lives and try to stay ahead of the game enough to have a little bit of peace and enjoyment. And of course hope our progeny is strong enough to deal with these problems. After all, that's what the last generation did.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/24/2011 10:54:15 PM

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Form a posse. Seriously, they are in a position to take, and they are not going to stop until they become unable to take. Without insurrection, just how is that accomplished ?

Note that I completely agree with you, a country with our debt load should not be giving away any money at all. I have thought about it in depth, and I keep coming up with the same conclusion. The ballot box is not going to do it, especially now that we don't have it anymore anyway (note the vote fraud thread). Concievably we could all write in a candidate and get the fucking bums out, but how do you write in a name on a voting machine ?

Die, that's my solution. Just live out our lives and try to stay ahead of the game enough to have a little bit of peace and enjoyment. And of course hope our progeny is strong enough to deal with these problems. After all, that's what the last generation did.

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I told my girlfriend, if they raise the age to receive social security I will protest and protest.
She said, "It won't CHANGE anything".

I told her, it will make ME feel better.

Where would we be if people throughout history had not protested ?
Would we even be an independent NATION if we had not protested and fought?

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/24/2011 11:47:00 PM

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Its another one of those 'bitch & moan' threads about foreign aid. Where the ones demanding its removal simply dont try to understand the reason(s) for its existance. Its just too complicated and complex I guess.

And the amount this thread's OP is bitching about is......(Drum roll).......$29 Billion Dollars (about 1% of the 2011 USA Budget) This other link for 2010 USA Federal Budget helps to give an idea on what 1% of a Budgetary Item looks like against the Whole Budget. Does the phrase 'Drop in the Bucket' mean anything?

Likewise, Mr. OP, your numbers are off. According to the U.S. Offical Development Assistance Database, the two countries receiving the most aid are Afghanistan & Iraq. Could you tell me why your 'Vaughns US Foreign Aid Summary' isn't showing these two countries? What could we be 'possibly' doing in either country....? Why would those two countries be left off this 'General Knowledge website' of Vaugh's you are giving people?

Likewise, this Vaugh's sheet you are quoting is simply reporting inaccurate information across the board. Take a look at these numbers. According to 'Vaughs' list, there are sixteen countries that dont have data available. Yeah, they'll fill in the rest 'later'. How much time do they need to 'fill in the blanks'? Since this 'data' was posted in Jan 11, 2011? How much more time do they need to put their bullshit up on their site? On, and their 'Source' (122513.pdf) seems to be missing. I wonder why....

Lets just say, for the heck of the arguement (and its a silly arguement), we removed all of it completely. That amounts to $290 Billion over ten years. Now, if Democrats suggested this for Medicare or Social Security, would you laugh at them? Of course you would! The Democrats already said (through the President) of making cuts for $400-600 Billion (or $4-6 Trillion over ten years).

You want to get rid of the foreign aid Mr. OP? Tell you what.....you just sign over the Bush era tax cuts and allow things to return to normal.....and you get your foreign aid cut. Deal?

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 12:14:52 AM

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"Its just too complicated and complex I guess. "

Not for me. And what happened about Egypt and Israel getting the most ? That changed ? How come there are so many different figures out there ?

It doesn't matter. I am broke right now. Sign over your paycheck to me. Come on, I really reserve it. I will use it to buy guns and jet fuel. I will still let the starving starve, because that's what I do. You are the one who doesn't understand. Those who TAKE that fucking money from us give it to their buddies who keep it. They show pictures of starving people and get a check ? Well fucked if we want to feed them, keep them starving so we can get another check and pocket the money again. It's been referred to as buying your friends. And it is NOT feeding the poor.

Sorry to burst your bubble. But people are losing their houses here, being kicked out on the street despite working half their lives for their future. There are no jobs and the tax base is dwindling as the interest on the debt grows and a credit rating reduction has us all in suspense, because we are so fucking vulnerable. Where have you been ?

And the OP hs a very valid point, besides government entitlements, the only other sacred cow is foreign bribes, err aid. We are propping up governments where the people do not want them. We are doing what ? What does that money do ? Does it help the poor, why should it, big money doesn't help the poor here, why would it in other countries ?

How much foreign aid do we get from anyone ? This is bullshit, give away your own money, not mine. I suggest you read about Horatio Bunce to get some insight as to how it should be. You are too used to the the crock of shit that passes for politics now.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 3:52:09 AM

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quote:

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"Its just too complicated and complex I guess. "

Not for me. And what happened about Egypt and Israel getting the most ? That changed ? How come there are so many different figures out there ?

It doesn't matter. I am broke right now. Sign over your paycheck to me. Come on, I really reserve it. I will use it to buy guns and jet fuel. I will still let the starving starve, because that's what I do. You are the one who doesn't understand. Those who TAKE that fucking money from us give it to their buddies who keep it. They show pictures of starving people and get a check ? Well fucked if we want to feed them, keep them starving so we can get another check and pocket the money again. It's been referred to as buying your friends. And it is NOT feeding the poor.

Sorry to burst your bubble. But people are losing their houses here, being kicked out on the street despite working half their lives for their future. There are no jobs and the tax base is dwindling as the interest on the debt grows and a credit rating reduction has us all in suspense, because we are so fucking vulnerable. Where have you been ?

And the OP hs a very valid point, besides government entitlements, the only other sacred cow is foreign bribes, err aid. We are propping up governments where the people do not want them. We are doing what ? What does that money do ? Does it help the poor, why should it, big money doesn't help the poor here, why would it in other countries ?

How much foreign aid do we get from anyone ? This is bullshit, give away your own money, not mine. I suggest you read about Horatio Bunce to get some insight as to how it should be. You are too used to the the crock of shit that passes for politics now.

Not a single arguement to refute what I stated. That's what will be taken from your post. Gosh, its money being spend on stuff you dont approve of. Last I checked, the USA is a Democratic Republic in-that 'We the People..." elect others to handle the day-to-day operations of the nation. It is not, as you believe, a dicatatorship, with you as the dictator. I know it is hard for you to handle, but there are OTHER people that do not wish the the foreign aid to be lowered or removed. They are American just like you and me, and they vote! You fail to understand these basic facts about the nation's countrymen (and countrywomen).

They're not going to 'deal' no matter how major your sob story is. Isn't that how the conservatives behave towards everyone else these days? You want the foreign aid removed, you put forth something the other guy wants. Its kind of the basic 'barter system' that's been around for a few thousand years. So the question is...what are you willing to give, to get that?

If you dont want it, you wont make a serious offer. Likewise, you might consider just 'who' wants to keep that foreign aid in place; the answer might surprise even you....

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 5:07:34 AM

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Seems the world still refuses to truly understand the why most discretionary federal outlays...they are a PROFIT CENTER. Most, not all but most of our foreign aid is the same...contingent on most of the hard goods be earmarked for purchase from the US.

(Even the recent $2 billion loan to Brazil (oil) allowed by the world bank and predominantly funded by US tax dollars...requires the purchase of oil service goods from the US.)

As for your list, I've seen others that list aid to Israel, Egypt and Pakistan are each...each over $3 billion in total.

Don't forget the core American political values...we are here to make some fucking money, and get re-elected...that's it.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 5:20:04 AM

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"Last I checked, the USA is a Democratic Republic in-that ......"

Last I checked they are trying to scare people about shutting the government down. That they must raise the debt cieling. That we owe out about ten trillion dollars.

Those goniffs in Washington are supposed to work for us, not people in other countries. Is that too complex ?

Here's an idea, start giving away your money, don't worry about paying your bills, just give it away. See how that works forya. And note I said YOUR money.

Hey, I need six grand for some drain work. How about it buddy ? Surely you can spare it, just put it on your credit card. Should be no problem. Maybe you can force other people to give you the money to pay the interest on it. And you never have to pay it off, so what do you care ?

They can complicate the issues all they want, but the basic facts do not change just because they are obfuscated by issues put forth by people who work for the high rollers. The lobbyists etc. Tell the poor, disabled, retired and veterans in this country that they get less because some Amir needs another jet and a new set of ivory backscratchers.

I must admit this is interesting though. It's quite rare to find someone who advocates giving away US tax dollars to foreigners, especially in this economy.

Tell me more of the reasons we need to give away money. And while you're at it, find some people who also agree that we should give away money.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 7:41:34 AM

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Foreign Aid...the latest in a long line of red herrings to be thrown at the deficit discussion.As Joe outlined in previous posts the money is used to gain leverage,to buy influence and to open up markets to American goods and services.It is money well spent and cheap at the cost.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 7:48:08 AM

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Die, that's my solution. Just live out our lives and try to stay ahead of the game enough to have a little bit of peace and enjoyment. And of course hope our progeny is strong enough to deal with these problems. After all, that's what the last generation did.

And just look how well that worked the last time...

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 7:56:49 AM

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WHY THE FUCK DON'T I HEAR ABOUT CUTTING FOREIGN AID????

OK, cut it. All of it.

But it's less than 1% of the federal budget.

So take that off $1.27 trillion.....and you've got a deficit of $1.26 trillion.

OK...what's next?

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 8:06:53 AM

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Besides which, most alleged "foreign aid" is actually stealth military spending, and everybody knows how military spending is meant to be immune from any cuts. Saint Ronnie of the Monster Deficit said so, didn't he?

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 8:26:54 AM

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Besides which, most alleged "foreign aid" is actually stealth military spending, and everybody knows how military spending is meant to be immune from any cuts. Saint Ronnie of the Monster Deficit said so, didn't he?

Yeah, a majority of military aid goes back into buying American product and the US guarantees loans to its allies to also buy American product. Its not a straighforward issue but quite a few other Western countries give a higher percentage of their GDP to foreign aid usually without much return so maybe the US isn't being excessively generous after all.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 8:59:34 AM

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But could the term foreign aid be a politically correct term for bribe, as how much of the foreign aid given actually filters down to the people of that country ?

Of course the various foreign aid supplying governments might say that is not their problem, or they have been assured the monies are filtering down to the people it is believed to help, but in reality do they care, I suspect not, because of what I have asked here, the foreign aid is in fact a bribe, a bribe given to various leaders to be favourable to the aid giver in terms of whatever.

But as the US is a big foreign aid giver, so is the UK, and similar questions are being asked here, why is it everything that the British people depend on is being cut and the foreign aid, I believe was increased with this current government.

Undoubtedly this is to aid business, but increasingly we are finding business does not aid the people, and that due to corporations though here, are not, their base is elsewhere, their path is being eased so the will stay here and be taxed as opposed to somewhere else and be taxed.

This country, as I do suspect the US is similarly, we are at the mercy of big business, our governments exist primarily to keep them sweet whilst telling us things will get better in the future, but the economy has to be attended to first.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 10:17:14 AM

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quote:

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quote:

WHY THE FUCK DON'T I HEAR ABOUT CUTTING FOREIGN AID????

OK, cut it. All of it.

But it's less than 1% of the federal budget.

So take that off $1.27 trillion.....and you've got a deficit of $1.26 trillion.

OK...what's next?

Humm here is a novel idea, why not increase production of goods
and services here in America?

When did a country being "mainly" self-sufficient become a problem?

I don't mind a little trading, and a little outsourcing, but when did it become okay to basically outsource damn near all the jobs we could to developing countries to save a few bucks?

Now this country is broke, millions of people have no work, and we are looking like really smart dumb fucking asses for selling ourselves out to save money.

Years ago we actually did something in this country called "manufacturing", imagine that!

Why not raise the taxes{sky high} on the corporations that have outsourced our jobs, then allow them to bring their crap back into this country!
Sell it somewhere else!

Why not curtail all the fucking unbridled outsourcing that has cost americans millions of jobs?
Why not actually depend on ourselves to make what we need here in America?

Detailed List of corporations that have exported American jobs

For all the smart asses that feel "globalization" is so damn wonderful, YOU tell us how globalization and unbridled outsourcing can reduce the deficit?
If not, have enough courage to admit we have been screwed.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 10:55:59 AM

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Humm here is a novel idea, why not increase production of goods
and services here in America?

We have and are, by 3% a year. Exports have increased too. Our GDP is $15 trillion, a fifth of the world's economy.

How do you figure this is going to fix a $1.27 trillion deficit?

Honest question. Not following your logic here.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 11:00:07 AM

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outsourcing was bound to happen...It is pure capitalism at work.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 11:00:25 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

Humm here is a novel idea, why not increase production of goods
and services here in America?

We have and are, by 3% a year. Exports have increased too. Our GDP is $15 trillion, a fifth of the world's economy.

How do you figure this is going to fix a $1.27 trillion deficit?

Honest question. Not following your logic here.

I never said it would "fix" the 1.27 trillion deficit, maybe it might stop it from growing even larger.
At least by becoming more self sufficient in the future, this country might have a future to look forward to.

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