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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 11:13:43 AM   
Moonhead


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Why not raise the taxes{sky high} on the corporations that have outsourced our jobs, then allow them to bring their crap back into this country!
Sell it somewhere else!

A two levelled VAT system (with a cut rate for companies that manufacture domestically and a stiff hike for the Apples and Walmarts who import stuff manufactured in China and India) would address that.
But of course, that would be a bunch of greedy socialists stealing from successful American businesses and so will prevent the money they make from trickling down into the grateful economy, and saving it...

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 11:18:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
Why not raise the taxes{sky high} on the corporations that have outsourced our jobs, then allow them to bring their crap back into this country!
Sell it somewhere else!

A two levelled VAT system (with a cut rate for companies that manufacture domestically and a stiff hike for the Apples and Walmarts who import stuff manufactured in China and India) would address that.
But of course, that would be a bunch of greedy socialists stealing from successful American businesses and so will prevent the money they make from trickling down into the grateful economy, and saving it...





Instead of trying to squeeze money from senior citizens during their last days walking the earth.
Gosh forbid we sock it to those greedy soulless corporate bastards, by raising the taxes, on imported crap from slave labor camps.
Then give massive tax breaks to corporations that create jobs here in America.

< Message edited by Marini -- 7/25/2011 11:20:23 AM >

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 11:19:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		"the money is used to gain leverage,to buy influence and to open up markets to American goods and services"

It doesn't seem to be working. Does anyone here produce something at work for export to these "open" foreign markets ? How come they didn't have to pay us to open up our market ? Oh, they did. They paid our politicians and our politicians did what they were paid to do.

Show me all these exports. Where is this trade surplus ?

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 11:24:56 AM   
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Are you agreeing or is your sarcasm detector out of alignment ?

That was my point, and unfortunately this generation apparently isn't equipped to fix it either.

And to those who say foreign aid is just a drop in the bucket, a bucket of water is made up of droplets. If the bucket leaks, however slowly, it will eventually be empty.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 11:34:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thought you were actually serious about that, having read some of the other nonsense you come out with a straight face. My bad.

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/25/2011 11:46:49 AM   
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Cut this, cut that, cut social security, raise the age to get social security, cut money to the states, cut programs, etc.

WHY THE FUCK DON'T I HEAR ABOUT CUTTING FOREIGN AID????
Most of the foreign aid we give is not even going to help poor people!!
When will people wake up?

WHO GETS FOREIGN AID?

How much of our "foreign aid" goes to help poor people?

Vaughs DETAILED US FOREIGN Aid Summaries!

The poorest countries get the LEAST aid?
The richest countries get the MOST aid?

WTF??? and you want to cut my what? and raise what?

If we are so damn hard up that we have to cut assistance and money to the elderly, the poor, and the disenfranchised we need to fucking stop "giving" out so much foreign fucking aid, especially to rich countries.



foreign aide to help poor people?

are you kidding?

did they sell you more snake oil?

foreign aide is to pay off those in power LOL

that is why the poor do not get it.


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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/26/2011 6:34:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

Cut this, cut that, cut social security, raise the age to get social security, cut money to the states, cut programs, etc.

WHY THE FUCK DON'T I HEAR ABOUT CUTTING FOREIGN AID????
Most of the foreign aid we give is not even going to help poor people!!
When will people wake up?

WHO GETS FOREIGN AID?

How much of our "foreign aid" goes to help poor people?

Vaughs DETAILED US FOREIGN Aid Summaries!

The poorest countries get the LEAST aid?
The richest countries get the MOST aid?

WTF??? and you want to cut my what? and raise what?

If we are so damn hard up that we have to cut assistance and money to the elderly, the poor, and the disenfranchised we need to fucking stop "giving" out so much foreign fucking aid, especially to rich countries.


The problem is marini is that you and others like you fall for the line that we are "hard up" when all we need is to increase revenues so that we can pay our bills. The rich in this country would have you believe that we are hard up and can't afford one more item on the country's "to do" list. Its all bullshit. Increase revenues and we can go on arguing about other things

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/26/2011 4:47:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

Cut this, cut that, cut social security, raise the age to get social security, cut money to the states, cut programs, etc.

WHY THE FUCK DON'T I HEAR ABOUT CUTTING FOREIGN AID????
Most of the foreign aid we give is not even going to help poor people!!
When will people wake up?

WHO GETS FOREIGN AID?

How much of our "foreign aid" goes to help poor people?

Vaughs DETAILED US FOREIGN Aid Summaries!

The poorest countries get the LEAST aid?
The richest countries get the MOST aid?

WTF??? and you want to cut my what? and raise what?

If we are so damn hard up that we have to cut assistance and money to the elderly, the poor, and the disenfranchised we need to fucking stop "giving" out so much foreign fucking aid, especially to rich countries.


The problem is marini is that you and others like you fall for the line that we are "hard up" when all we need is to increase revenues so that we can pay our bills. The rich in this country would have you believe that we are hard up and can't afford one more item on the country's "to do" list. Its all bullshit. Increase revenues and we can go on arguing about other things



Domyngblk, "increase revenues?" Isn't that like "raising taxes?"
Do you think the govt is "spending too much" or "not spending enough?"
One third of our budget is now borrowed money!

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/26/2011 5:02:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marini, this is a short link that shows (some) of the corruption involved in this.

http://www.kevincraig.us/foreign_aid.htm

And a LOT of it gets stolen by the Lobbyists on K Street and big corporations before it ever leaves the country.
It's like a giant "stealathon."
I don't think any other govt. "program" is, or even can be as corrupt as "foreign aid."

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RE: How much money does the United States give in forei... - 7/26/2011 7:01:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Its all bullshit. Increase revenues and we can go on arguing about other things "

I agree. There are other factors but before I go into that I would like to state that I question the whole premise of foreign aid, that I have much doubt that it should even exist, ESPECIALLY on a continual basis. But on to the revenue problem.

One of the problems is the dwindling middle class. When the middle class comprised a good half of the population, you could raise taxes on each by say, a hundred bucks. All of them paying adds up to alot of drops in the bucket. It doesn't kill them either, though they may bitch about it.

But today there are so many people living on so little that they pay little or no income tax, and in alot of cases due to the earned income credit, get back more than they paid in. Even without that, there is that personal exemption, which shields many low wage earners from what would be, to them, a heavy tax burden.

Now of what's left of the middle class, those who make 100K a year want the MFs who make 200K a year to pay through the nose. Those who make 200K a year want the MFs who make 300K pay through the nose. And so forth of course. Even at that, their numbers in relative economic class continue to dwindle.

So then we must tax the rich. Well for those who have not been watching, no matter what the average income is in this country, the distribution has changed drastically in the last few decades, with more and more wealth coming into the hands of fewer people. I see this as typical aging of this particular type of a capitalist society.

As such, if you stick a big tax on the upper crust, let's say a million dollars more a year on each of them, it doesn't pay much because there simply aren't enough of them. To increase one year's taxes by a million dollars, they would have to have incomes in the billions. Let's see we have Bill Gates of course who I think should have a special triple tax rate, but how much does he really make ? OK, tax him, I bet he wouldn't even care much. But where are the rest ? Increase taxes by a milliion a year on whom ? Say a thousand people ? There's a billion. Again, the foreign aid expentitures are how much ?

A drop in the bucket. And those taxes would be but a drop in that bucket.

I am not saying not to do it, I am just saying that it will not really fix the problem.

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