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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 7:09:08 AM

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Oh I have to disagree. The man is a paladin, a tw00 believer. Fancies himself the Knight Templar fighting the invading horders.

If only he was a sociopath. They don't believe in much of anything, save themselves.

You do realise it's entirely possible for him to be both, don't you?

Not in his case. Schizoid is far more likely, considering his bio and history that has been reported so far.

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 7:11:15 AM

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Of course it's possible that he's lying but only he himself knows the truth, the rest of us can only guess. My impression from what I've read is that he isn't a sociopath, indeed that is the conclusion reached by those who conducted the psych evaluation.

We shall see. In any case, I'm not sure his state of mind actually has a lot of bearing on our, and their, reaction to him and his actions, you know? It shouldn't affect either their treatment of him, or our reaction to him or his actions, if that makes any sense? (and I accept I haven't explained that very well)

PS: No offence, but I'm getting bored with snipping out your font resizing shit, so until such time as you can post like everyone else I won't be responding to your posts. Nothing personal and hugs and kisses and suchlike.

I would very much like to keep talking and debating with you, how's this?

I agree, whatever his state of mind, he got the reaction he wanted and that matters more or at least as much as his state of mind. I'm not sure if I agree with you're saying it shouldn't affect their treatment of him. If he's starkers he needs treatment (assuming he's treatable. On the other hand if he's sane and rational he should be punished for what he did.

On the subject of punishment, that's not easy given that there are people out there who are bound to see him as a martyr to the cause who will be inspired to carry on the cause. Not easy!

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 7:53:57 AM

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I would very much like to keep talking and debating with you, how's this?

Thanks for the change but you're still resizing and/or “re-fonting”* your output. What's wrong with just leaving it as the reply normally formats it?

ETA: It's a person's words and thoughts that give their posts weight and worth, not the font or size or colour of their response.

*hey wow, I just made a word up. Sweet!

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 10:58:30 AM

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Greetings

I feel I have to defend the police here, the police where not fatally slow to respond, unfortunately the Norwegian police can not teleport, it takes a certain amount of time to drive from Oslo to Utøya, it takes a certain amount of time to organize a task force when about all of the capitol's police is busy with the bombing, I do not think the police could have gotten there quicker. The Norwegian police have performed their duties admirably given that we have never had a situation like this in our nation before.

I wish you well

They did act a fast as they could.Something like this is quite unprecedented.

We wish it could have been quicker but to blame them isn`t fair.

To Pops,

What the article is about is Norway`s refusal to allow this horrible attack to change their way of life,their freedoms, how they treat minorities,immigrants etc,and how they will not be intimidated into it.

No one`s going off half cocked looking for someone,anyone or anything, to blame and get payback.

Did you read the article,Pop?

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Owner, George Bush made the same speech after 9/11, ("uniting speeches.")
Did you or did you not call people who differ with their governments, "haters?"
That goes against everything we stand for in America!
This country was born out of spirited discourse and a "difference of opinion" with King George. I guess the Founding Fathers were "haters" then?
You seem to be saying that people should do whatever "the government" tells them to do and shut up.
Our government in the U.S. anyway is in existance to "Serve the People" *not to be trying to tell the people what to do or think!* That last is called "Communism."
A few times a year I sit down at my kitchen table and write letters to my congressman and senators about various issues. Most of the time I am in dissagreement with what my (our) govt is doing. Does that make me a "hater?"
What about all the people who were calling Bush "chimpy boy" and things like that, were they "haters" or did they get special dispensation because their speech was directed at a Republican?
If you dissagree with someone and call them "a racist" simply because you don't like their opinion you just lost the argument!
Where did you get that from, "hater?" A book, the New York Times?

P.S. that guy in Norway isn't "crazy" he's pure fucking *EVIL!*

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 11:52:23 AM

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As far as I'm concerned, the terrorists have won the "war on terror" even before the US and other countries got into it. Afterall, the goal of terrorists isn't to kill as many people as possible, it is to instill terror into the living and force them to live in terror. TSA screenings, the Patriot Act, ever policy change that has occurred since 9/11 on the pretense of keeping us safe has none nothing but ensure the continuation that we live in terror.

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 12:17:25 PM

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given that the article headline came from the website, I think you are blaming the wrong person pops... plus if you want to look at how haters react, look at some of your posts about hating illegal immigrants and the border security you have recommended, about blowing up and firing on people. your violent tendencies towards people you dont understand, fear and dislike intently
its not really a far step from that...so go look in the miirror

you understand it better than you think you do.

This.....simply perfect as is(though the whole"go look in the mirror" thing probably flys right over his head)

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 12:32:44 PM

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given that the article headline came from the website, I think you are blaming the wrong person pops... plus if you want to look at how haters react, look at some of your posts about hating illegal immigrants and the border security you have recommended, about blowing up and firing on people. your violent tendencies towards people you dont understand, fear and dislike intently
its not really a far step from that...so go look in the miirror

you understand it better than you think you do.

This.....simply perfect as is(though the whole"go look in the mirror" thing probably flys right over his head)

Gee Conservative Mike, thanks for posting that.
As I've said (many times before but people just don't fucking *listen* anymore) my anger is directed at my government for being ***derelict*** in it's duties to keep illegal aliens out of our country like they're *supposed* to be doing and like we're *paying* them to do!
Am I supposed to be "happy" that my government is doing things that they shouldn't be doing? That they're not enforcing our laws? That they're trying to dictate to The People instead of *listening* to The People and asking us what (WE) want?
I can see why I put the above person on block, she needs to sober up.
Conservative Mike, tell us a bed time story! Why do you think Oblunder will be re-elected in Nov of 2012?
Or would you prefer to critique my punctuation and spelling?

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 12:49:12 PM

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As far as I'm concerned, the terrorists have won the "war on terror" even before the US and other countries got into it. Afterall, the goal of terrorists isn't to kill as many people as possible, it is to instill terror into the living and force them to live in terror. TSA screenings, the Patriot Act, ever policy change that has occurred since 9/11 on the pretense of keeping us safe has none nothing but ensure the continuation that we live in terror.

Dig it. 19 men killed over 3000 people, cost the US well over a trillion dollars in DIRECT expenses fighting 2 totally fabricated wars, created the Dept. Homeland "Security", gutted the 4th Amendment, and put the fear of everything into the hearts of millions of Merkin sheep who couldn't properly assess risk if their moronic lives depended on it.

That has got to be the most successful Terrorist action of all time, waaay better than the bombing of the Reichstag.

Remember, kids, only brown people are "terrorists". This demon was an "Xtian Extremist."

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 12:59:57 PM

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No, one with the likness of Sara Palin.
I don't understand, are you calling half of the Norwegian People "haters?" Because of their political beliefs?

I didnt see anyone mention "Half" I did see him mention tolerance towards outsiders though.

Nephandi is quite right as well. The police would have been more focused on the bomb attack in Oslo.

Polite, as I said in one or two other threads I know *very little* of Norwegian politics. Perhaps you didn't see that. The numbers could be 10%, 90% 70% or 30% for all I know!
Aswad's (from Norway) posts have been very informative.
And unlike many foreign nationals in this site who have absolutely no qualms about trying to tell Americans how to run our country I don't think it would be appropriate for me to try to tell Norwegians how to run their country, do you?

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 1:08:47 PM

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Were it not against TOS I just might tell you to go fuck yourself...but since it is I won't go that route . Rather I would remind you that not everything you want is actually the will of the PEOPLE .Yanno,those PEOPLE that you bandie about as if you yourself know exactly what it is they need and they want.....one of your favorite rants is that the PEOPLE want something done about illegal immigration ...this is probably true...though you might be surprised at just what the PEOPLE actually want done about it.You might find that the PEOPLE ate not as heartless and cold as you yourself seem to be.Perhaps their suggestions would include a path to citizenship for some classifications of immigrants based on how they came here,how long ago and what they have done since then.
Bottom line I would think that most folks are a lot more understanding and tolerant than you.

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 1:46:12 PM

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Were it not against TOS I just might tell you to go fuck yourself...but since it is I won't go that route . Rather I would remind you that not everything you want is actually the will of the PEOPLE .Yanno,those PEOPLE that you bandie about as if you yourself know exactly what it is they need and they want.....one of your favorite rants is that the PEOPLE want something done about illegal immigration ...this is probably true...though you might be surprised at just what the PEOPLE actually want done about it.You might find that the PEOPLE ate not as heartless and cold as you yourself seem to be.Perhaps their suggestions would include a path to citizenship for some classifications of immigrants based on how they came here,how long ago and what they have done since then.
Bottom line I would think that most folks are a lot more understanding and tolerant than you.

Conservative Mike, you're mean when you're hung over.
TOS have never stopped you from insulting me or plenty of others before.
So,...now I'm "heartless and cold", but,.....not the governments and people's of the countries that those people are sneaking into my country from? ("Ergo proptor hoc?") Mexico bares NO responsibility for their own people, the U.S. does? (Popeye) is responsible for paying Conservative Mike's mortgage?)
*I* have to take up the mantle for people who want to sneak into my country? I have to listen to that fucking Klingon in the white house adress a group of *illegal aliens* and tell them; "we wish you success in our country?"
You are right on one point, you'd be surprised at what "The People" want! That's why they'd never give us a binding referendum on the ballot. They know what the outcome will be.
Everytime some amnesty bill comes up the congress is overwhelmed by a tsunami of phone calls, letters, faxes and e-mails. That alone should tell them not to bring up anymore bills like that shouldn't it? If they were actually *listening.*
What makes America great is that we're a country of laws. When law and order break down you get anarchy. Go take a hike on that Mexican border!
If you want to "feel sorry" for people in foreign countries maybe we should make you the official "cryer" or something.
"Come on Mike, little Pedro's got no tacos tonight, let's see the water works!"
"Hey Mike! Earthquake in Somalia! Cry us a River buddy!"
"Hey! There's Mike's new friend, Speaker Bohner!" "They'll get along famously!"
Over the last twenty five years I've donated thousands and thousands of dollars to homeless shelters here in the U.S.
But, I'm "heartless and cold" because I want my government to do the job we're paying them to do.
As I've said before, since when did enforcing our laws, especially our immigration laws become "optional?"
When you hire someone to do a job for you *they* don't get to do decide what they want to do.

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 2:17:06 PM

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Now that this dispute has been fully discussed, let's get back to the topic and not make other members the topcic by way of an insult or personal attack. Bringing topics or responses from other threads is also considered going off topic. Please refrain.

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 2:19:57 PM

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Absolutely,my apologies for my part in the derailment

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 5:02:55 PM

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Polite, as I said in one or two other threads I know *very little* of Norwegian politics. Perhaps you didn't see that. The numbers could be 10%, 90% 70% or 30% for all I know!
Aswad's (from Norway) posts have been very informative.
And unlike many foreign nationals in this site who have absolutely no qualms about trying to tell Americans how to run our country I don't think it would be appropriate for me to try to tell Norwegians how to run their country, do you?

If you know so little, why did you say half as a figure ? Just to make it clear, I`ve never told America how to run the country.

It is interesting you choose to reply to this and not my post of your b/s assertion of the numbers of foreign prison inmates though.

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 9:48:32 PM

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Polite, as I said in one or two other threads I know *very little* of Norwegian politics. Perhaps you didn't see that. The numbers could be 10%, 90% 70% or 30% for all I know!
Aswad's (from Norway) posts have been very informative.
And unlike many foreign nationals in this site who have absolutely no qualms about trying to tell Americans how to run our country I don't think it would be appropriate for me to try to tell Norwegians how to run their country, do you?

If you know so little, why did you say half as a figure ? Just to make it clear, I`ve never told America how to run the country.

It is interesting you choose to reply to this and not my post of your b/s assertion of the numbers of foreign prison inmates though.

Sheesh! Where do I start?
As for "half" I just threw it out there! Do you guys have a British saying for, "throw it out there?" As I said, I don't know the numbers, 10, 30, 80, ? I don't know. Would it have been cool if I made up a number like, oh,....."47%?" Maybe 33%?
And as for your assertion of numbers of foreign prisoners,.....do you have "summer" in England? We do here and I try to engage in summertime activities such as swimming in the pool, cookouts with the other condo owners and friends, going to the beach, working on my tan, traveling, going out to eat, reading the ocaisional book etc.
I haven't been on here very much in the last few months! I simply cannot keep up with all the flood of threads from the ,"Big Three" in here, "H.K" "Br." and "62 minus three! "
Unless a thread title interests me I simply skip over it, I just don't have the time to read and respond to every thread in here. Who does?
I don't respond to most threads in here anyway. Sorry if you feel left out.
It's funny, you guys keep asking me the same questions and when I give you the same answers you get pissed-off all over again. lol
Ever think of taking notes?

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 9:59:55 PM

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 10:02:11 PM

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I simply cannot keep up with all the flood of threads from the ,"Big Three" in here, "H.K" "Br." and "62 minus three! "

Two threads from me all month. Some flood. Moron.

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/24/2011 11:33:33 PM

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I simply cannot keep up with all the flood of threads from the ,"Big Three" in here, "H.K" "Br." and "62 minus three! "

Two threads from me all month. Some flood. Moron.

Hippiekingster, I appologize, you are correct!
I mistook you for,....."F.B."

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/25/2011 12:56:23 AM

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They did act a fast as they could. Something like this is quite unprecedented.

It's unprecedented in Norway.

It's not unprecedented for Delta, which participates in UN Special Team 6.

Keep in mind that while the USA considers terrorism a military matter, Europe considers it a matter of domestic crime. Accordingly, our police forces all have units that are trained to deal with terrorism on native soil, and those generally substitute for the occasions where you would use SWAT as well. This keeps the skillset and experience available at all times, while providing more field experience for the units involved, since they are covering two fields that can be handled identically. I suspect this also leads to fewer deaths overall, with more arrests being made instead. Since dead terrorists can't talk, I imagine that could make inherent sense, considered from that angle.

Anyway, the timeline from the police reports is in.

When the request was received, it took a total of 31 minutes to redeploy by car to the island (about 36 minutes from the bomb site according to the map services), as no helicopter was available at the time. It took 16 minutes to finish the operation, including having to commandeer another boat because of engine problems (which cost 10 minutes out of those 16). That brings the total response time to 47 minutes.

Without the bad luck, I expect it would have taken about 10~15 minutes from the time the call was received to the time the arrest was made. As it was, they saved about half the people on the island, while about a hundred died and the rest were mostly saved by people camping nearby (campers had rented boats and drove to and fro with people one way and floatation vests the other way). He had a lot of frangible (shattering-expanding) ammunition left when apprehended, so I prefer to be grateful they weren't delayed further, rather than upset at the delays that did occur.

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RE: Norway defies the haters. - 7/25/2011 10:39:00 AM

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I read that the death count has been decreased to 76.

I read that the step-brother Trond Berntsen of princess Mette-Marit was a bonus victim. I find that suspicious, as I do not suffer as much from a lack of paranoia as other people do.

I read that Gro Brundtland left Utoya shortly before the killer arrived. I deem that suspicious as well.

I will have to wait and see what more turns up.

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