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RE: Herman Cain....One World Class Buffoon... - 7/19/2011 7:31:47 AM   
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RE: Herman Cain....One World Class Buffoon... - 7/19/2011 7:32:28 AM   
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RE: Herman Cain....One World Class Buffoon... - 7/19/2011 7:43:20 AM   
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Anyway, the banning of building a religious building would fall under the building permit laws and zoning laws. Which are local laws. I have a feeling that much like buying/selling a house or apartment, there are rules that say something to the effect of 'does not discriminate on the basis of sex, race, color, religion, or creed,' in it.

Of course, trying to change the building permit and zoning laws to ban mosques would NEVER make it through the court system as acceptable.

I would assume so. I got the impression from the Fox interview that his concern was with terrorism. Thats a legitimate concern as there are mosques associated with Wahhabism that seem to foster extremism, and if the founders of a prospective mosque have dubious connections then there would be a legitimate concern but objecting to a mosque simply for its religious association with Islam is going a bit far.

If Mr. Cain was as serious as he claims on terrorism. Then explain why he isn't as strong attacking white, middle class, folks that once served in the US Military? Since that *IS* the discription that could be attached (among other things) to Mr. Timothy McVeigh. Last I checked, he was accused of of the Oklahoma City Bombing back on April 15, 1995 (and found....GUILTY). And you know why he doesnt do that? Because he would never get nominated for the GOP ticket.

I actually disagree with Cain's stance as illustrated above but contrasting a handful of white anti-federalist extremists like McVeigh with Islamic extremism isn't fair either. I'm not saying that all muslims or a majority are terrorists. Clearly it is only a small minority but extremism is a trait of Islam more so than other faiths, even compared to Christianity which has its share. How can I justify that? Well in Egypt which is a relatively westernised Islamic nation some 83% still support death for apostacy as a PEW poll found that was taken last year. I think it is possible to point out these problems whilst still asserting that most Muslims are responsible law abiding people.

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RE: Herman Cain....One World Class Buffoon... - 7/19/2011 7:49:16 AM   
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RE: Herman Cain....One World Class Buffoon... - 7/19/2011 8:53:39 AM   
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Banning the building of a specific building at a specific place for purely secular reasons is ok. Banning all buildings of one religion, which is what Cain wants, is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion and is not allowed.


It seemed he was talking community to community objection as opposed to all mosques in the US. Use of federal or state funds for a religious building would be dealing with the establishment clause. Not discriminating based of which type of religion it is falls elsewhere.

'Does not discriminate on the basis of sex, race, color, religion, or creed' is not part of the establishment clause.

I do not agree with Mr. Cain. I just do not see this as a 1st Amendment issue. I do think his suggestion is against the law, but it is a different law than the 1st.



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RE: Herman Cain....One World Class Buffoon... - 7/19/2011 1:54:34 PM   
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Banning the building of a specific building at a specific place for purely secular reasons is ok. Banning all buildings of one religion, which is what Cain wants, is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion and is not allowed.


It seemed he was talking community to community objection as opposed to all mosques in the US. Use of federal or state funds for a religious building would be dealing with the establishment clause. Not discriminating based of which type of religion it is falls elsewhere.

'Does not discriminate on the basis of sex, race, color, religion, or creed' is not part of the establishment clause.

I do not agree with Mr. Cain. I just do not see this as a 1st Amendment issue. I do think his suggestion is against the law, but it is a different law than the 1st.



There is 2 centuries of precedent on this. If government excludes one religion or group of religions but does not exclude all religions it is an endorsement of the not excluded religions and a violation of the establishment clause.

Specifically it would violate the 2nd, and maybe 3rd, prong of the Lemon test.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_test#Lemon_test

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RE: Herman Cain....One World Class Buffoon... - 7/19/2011 2:21:21 PM   
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Im gonna guess yes.

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RE: Herman Cain....One World Class Buffoon... - 7/19/2011 2:41:51 PM   
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