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BamaD -> RE: Should Supreme Court Justice Thomas rule on cases involving black people? (6/13/2011 10:33:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Fetters4U

A black bias would only apply if the case were black vs white. Then, carrying the argument through to its absurdity, both black and white judges should recluse themselves. Hmmm... We need Obama on the Supreme Court ASAP... Have we ever had an ex-president on the Supreme Court? Could he appoint himself? Hey, I'm just saying...





BamaD -> RE: Should Supreme Court Justice Thomas rule on cases involving black people? (6/13/2011 10:37:15 AM)

Taft became a Supreme court Justice after he was President , no he did not appoint himself.  I know it is not relevant to the present conversation but you asked.




popeye1250 -> RE: Should Supreme Court Justice Thomas rule on cases involving black people? (6/13/2011 11:28:25 AM)

No, he should rule on ALL cases.




SternSkipper -> RE: Should Supreme Court Justice Thomas rule on cases involving black people? (6/13/2011 11:34:31 AM)

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A black bias would only apply if the case were black vs white. Then, carrying the argument through to its absurdity, both black and white judges should recluse themselves. Hmmm... We need Obama on the Supreme Court ASAP... Have we ever had an ex-president on the Supreme Court? Could he appoint himself? Hey, I'm just saying...


You know what?Thanks for pointing out that I left of the back half of a sentence. I'll go edit it now if thats still possible.... Sorry ... I hadn't had my coffee yet. I appreciate the pointing out of my content shortfall.





SternSkipper -> RE: Should Supreme Court Justice Thomas rule on cases involving black people? (6/13/2011 11:37:14 AM)

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Hey, I'm just saying...


Well the edit window is over but you covered what I was originally thinking, only me with my faulty morning brain... If challenged, I'll point back and say "I MEANT what fetters said"[:D]




SternSkipper -> RE: Should Supreme Court Justice Thomas rule on cases involving black people? (6/13/2011 12:05:07 PM)

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Supporters of California's Proposition 8 say that the legal decision to halt implementing Prop. 8 be itself overruled because the judge (Vaughn Walker) is gay, and therefore couldn't judge fairly.


Hi Flight.... I kinda wish you'd framed the original question better, with articles and answers beforehand. I think the answers may have been more concise. I finally found an article that gives a preety concise accounting of the chronological layout and what exactly was meant by his being "gay".

http://www.sandiego.com/news/court-hearing-begins-for-judge-who-declared-prop-8-unconstitutional

It sounds like the REAL issue is his alleged concealment of being gay.

I would have to say that if he was keeping his lifestyle under wraps for presumably his entire legal career it can only really be concluded that he'd merely been protecting his privacy and that of his 'family' as they are now LAWFULLY defined under California law.
    Unless they have something on these recording they are trying to admit into evidence where he admits his being gay effected the ruling and he deliberately did not recuse himself for the purpose of being the man in the way of the bullet so to speak, I'd say the case for vacating is wicked faulty. Unless they can find some precedent where a gay or some other type of person of a special nature is required to state they were of a persuasion. And I know that no such ruling or procedural rule exists.
    It would be like saying that every time any white judge ruled on a black/white/red green civil rights matter is obligated in the preamble of their ruling to say "I am white". And anyone who reads appellate law knows no such paradigm exists.

That appeal is probably going to fail. And it's MY BIAS as a FAIR PERSON... that it should. Why the hell can't people just let gay people marry and leave it the fuck alone?





Fightdirecto -> RE: Should Supreme Court Justice Thomas rule on cases involving black people? (6/13/2011 1:47:33 PM)

I have always had a weakness for "reductio ad absurdum" (a method of disproving a proposition by showing that its inevitable consequences would be absurd).

To wit: if a gay federal judge (in the closet or openly gay) cannot rule on the legality of same-sex marriage because they are gay, then a straight federal judge cannot rule on the legality of homosexual sex acts, a male federal judge cannot rule on issues regarding women, etc.

In short, the related examples, as we go "down the slippery slope", show the original argument to be absurd.




tazzygirl -> RE: Should Supreme Court Justice Thomas rule on cases involving black people? (6/13/2011 3:42:35 PM)

Then only gay men can weigh in on women's reproductive rights. Not like he has a vested interest, right? [:D]




Fightdirecto -> RE: Should Supreme Court Justice Thomas rule on cases involving black people? (6/15/2011 4:48:57 AM)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/15/BA261JTP5D.DTL
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A federal judge refused Tuesday to set aside a former colleague's ruling overturning California's ban on same-sex marriage and said the jurist's long-term relationship with another man was not a legitimate reason to accuse him of bias.

"It is not reasonable to presume that a judge is incapable of making an impartial decision about the constitutionality of a law solely because, as a citizen, the judge could be affected by the proceedings," Chief U.S. District Judge James Ware said in rejecting conflict-of-interest charges against his predecessor, Vaughn Walker.

Sponsors of Proposition 8, the November 2008 initiative barring gay and lesbian marriages, had asked Ware to nullify Walker's ruling in August against the measure and declare that he should not have heard the case.

They said his disclosure in April, six weeks after his retirement from the bench, of his 10-year same-sex relationship showed he had a stake in the outcome of the lawsuit challenging Prop. 8.

Although Walker has not said whether he and his partner intend to marry, Prop. 8's backers argued that his silence entitles the public to presume they were planning to wed when he presided over the trial in January 2010.

Ware, who heard arguments over Walker's role in San Francisco on Monday, disagreed. The fact that a judge is in a relationship, he said, doesn't necessarily mean he is "so interested in marrying the person that he would be unable to exhibit the impartiality which, it is presumed, all federal judges maintain."

A gay judge is entitled to rule in a gay-rights case, even if his decision could provide him "some speculative future benefit," Ware said.

He said disqualifying Walker because he is a member of a group potentially affected by his ruling would also require "recusal of minority judges in most, if not all, civil rights cases."

Besides, Ware said, the Prop. 8 case did not affect only a minority group.

"We all have an equal stake in a case that challenges the constitutionality of a restriction on a fundamental right," he said.

The judge also rejected arguments that Walker had been legally obliged to disclose his relationship before the trial. Courts have required judges to reveal close ties to people with a financial interest in a case, or to a lawyer for one of the parties, Ware said. But Walker had no duty to disclose "intimate, but irrelevant, details about his personal life."




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