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lovmuffin -> Is This Appropriate (5/31/2011 9:54:41 PM)

 I just recently when out for some munchies and just happened to be listening to an evening time right wing wacko radio show.

  Did Obama lay a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier and then go out for a round of golf two hours later ?

Is this fact or bullshit ?

  If factual, is this appropriate for a commander and chief or am I just nitpick-in ?






manatthewheel -> RE: Is This Appropriate (5/31/2011 10:04:07 PM)

You are just nit-picking....
I did a similar activity as a public servant and went diving in marblehead with two friends. I don't think that after you pay respects to fallen heroes there is some written or unwritten _protocol requiring someone who does so to go meditate afterwards. Not that its any big deal you don't know what's customary.
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manatthewheel -> RE: Is This Appropriate (5/31/2011 10:07:38 PM)

By the way. Thank-you for being so concerned about those who gave their lives for your freedom.




TheHeretic -> RE: Is This Appropriate (5/31/2011 10:09:49 PM)

Yeah, it's a nit-pick. How many of us go to a memorial service in the morning, and a bbq in the afternoon? Or just a bbq? Or even a bbq where not one fucker there has the decency to hoist a beer to the fallen?





Masticator -> RE: Is This Appropriate (5/31/2011 10:15:12 PM)

A thought: for all we know golf is very relaxing and meditative for him and he spent the time peacefully appreciating their sacrifice which enabled all of us to keep doing things we love.. Also... a lot of people like to be celebrated not just mourned. I wouldn't be offended or bothered if I were some how aware that after my death people chose to do fun activities.




tazzygirl -> RE: Is This Appropriate (5/31/2011 10:35:18 PM)

Memorial Day on base when I was growing up was a somber time in the morning and afternoon. The evening was a huge celebration for those who were alive, remembering those who had fallen.




imperatrixx -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 2:03:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
If factual, is this appropriate for a commander and chief or am I just nitpick-in ?


It's Commander in chief.

How do people not know this? That's so not just a typo. That's like...never having read the term in your life.




DarkSteven -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 4:50:50 AM)

I hate to say this, but any respect for the fallen on Memorial Day is going above and beyond.  Most Americans just golf, bbq, or whatever on Memorial Day.




sunshinemiss -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 5:03:30 AM)

Is that true Steven? Gosh... it's always been so much more than that for me. Parades, the vets, cemetary. When someone I loved was sent to Iraq, I all of a sudden saw it all as a reality rather than just a distant memory. I'd always been a pacifist in theory. It became a ... I don't know what, but something else. I started wearing a ribbon - I wasn't a YAY YAY Rah Rah MILITARY! No. Like many of my (now) military friends / colleagues, I recognized a necessary evil, an appreciation for what is truly a need.

Nothing like standing in a roomful of people saying the Pledge of Allegiance for THEIR country for you to realize how very much you love your own country.

I love my country. Here is one of the most amazing documents in the world:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.







Moonhead -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 5:05:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I hate to say this, but any respect for the fallen on Memorial Day is going above and beyond. 

This.




pahunkboy -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 6:28:59 AM)

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Owner59 -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 6:43:51 AM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRxNPqqUH4&NR=1

then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjWM0Mh3riU




WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 6:52:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
Is that true Steven? Gosh... it's always been so much more than that for me. Parades, the vets, cemetary. When someone I loved was sent to Iraq, I all of a sudden saw it all as a reality rather than just a distant memory. I'd always been a pacifist in theory. It became a ... I don't know what, but something else. I started wearing a ribbon - I wasn't a YAY YAY Rah Rah MILITARY! No. Like many of my (now) military friends / colleagues, I recognized a necessary evil, an appreciation for what is truly a need.

True. Ideology of a certain sort can sound nice. Who wouldn't want to support pacifism in a much better world but there is no substitute for brutal reality.




flcouple2009 -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 6:53:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I hate to say this, but any respect for the fallen on Memorial Day is going above and beyond.  Most Americans just golf, bbq, or whatever on Memorial Day.


Sadly yes.

We spent time talking with the kids about the meaning and purpose of Memorial Day.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 10:04:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I hate to say this, but any respect for the fallen on Memorial Day is going above and beyond.  Most Americans just golf, bbq, or whatever on Memorial Day.


Which is why I have no respect for most Americans.




thishereboi -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 10:11:22 AM)

I have no clue if he did or not. I don't understand why we would care. What was he supposed to do, sit around in mourning? Our family put flags on the graves of veterans, then went out to lunch and then sailing. I think my grandfather would have liked it. He always liked boats[:)]




Hillwilliam -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 10:22:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I have no clue if he did or not. I don't understand why we would care. What was he supposed to do, sit around in mourning? Our family put flags on the graves of veterans, then went out to lunch and then sailing. I think my grandfather would have liked it. He always liked boats[:)]


Sounds like a perfect day.

Step 1.  Honor those who gave us our freedoms.

Step 2.  Enjoy those freedoms.




SternSkipper -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 10:40:17 AM)

quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRxNPqqUH4&NR=1
then
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjWM0Mh3riU


Well OBVIOUSLY the second video is PURE CGI... you know that company AVID up in massachusetts is all commie pinko socialist democrats ... who won't rest till they get the real footage of AZBM kissing the baby





SternSkipper -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 10:41:45 AM)

quote:

Which is why I have no respect for most Americans.


You're a foreigner.. completely makes sense.. I thought you were from the TERRITORY of San diego.





SternSkipper -> RE: Is This Appropriate (6/1/2011 10:52:57 AM)

quote:

We spent time talking with the kids about the meaning and purpose of Memorial Day.


After the parade broke up, there was a brunch at the VFW where the Vietnam memorial is. I took my son and daughter to the VFW before we called it a day and introduced them to about 1/2 a dozen WWII vets. And I was actually quite proud of the questions my children asked of the older vets. One guy there was a Micmac  Indian 9one of our local tribes mostly centered in coastal maine). It turned out he had been in charge of a unit of those native american soldiers that did the code talking thing in the pacific. Danielle asked "Were you people separate from everybody else because you were indians?" He gave her the best answer .... He said "We were separate because we had this special job to do. But once those bullets started flying around. Being American was sometimes all we had. And I was ALWAYS treated like an American:
   I thought that was really neat.





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