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jlf1961 -> Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 8:43:00 AM)

I was watching the National Geographic channel last evening and a show came on called "When Aliens Attack."

According to the various scientists and military advisers on the show, the United States Government AND the United Nations have contingency plans in case the Earth is invaded by an Extraterrestrial race.

The show went into great detail about how our military would be relatively ineffective against a race with the technology to cross interstellar distances.

That was not the problem, I agree that IF an extraterrestrial race were to invade, even nuclear weapons fired at the ships would be ineffective, simply because they would have either developed some sort of shield system to protect against radiation and projectiles.

The show ended with people using helium balloons to carry them to the ships hovering over the cities and each person was carrying a M388 nuclear projectile designed to be used with a recoilless gun during the cold war. It is a sub kiloton device that weighs about 50 pounds.

The problem is that those weapons have been dismantled when the Davy Crockett nuclear rifle was phased out of operation in the seventies.


Now, I am not one of those Liberal thinkers that believe that an alien race is likely to be benign and comes to the Earth to help us with new technology, but then I, given the laws of physics as we now understand them, do not believe that interstellar travel is possible due to the time involved. We are talking generations to travel to the nearest star scientists THINK could support life.

So the question, do you think that the government has actually spent time and money on the possibility OR has National Geographic gotten desperate for show ideas?




flcouple2009 -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 9:00:55 AM)

I would hope we haven't wasted time and resources on crap like this but it wouldn't surprise me.  It's easier to sit and dream up scenarios for fantasies than deal with fixing reality.

Just give ET a cell phone contract.  They'll be tied up for years trying to figure out the data plan.




juliaoceania -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 9:05:54 AM)

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So the question, do you think that the government has actually spent time and money on the possibility OR has National Geographic gotten desperate for show ideas?


Now, I hope I do not sound like a kook, but it is very possible that they have extraterrestrial technology in their possession already. I can't prove that, so I would never argue that point, but there are a good many people who believe that is might be true.

I would hope that any alien race that comes here has evolved to be less violent and territorial than we are... we have no idea what they would be like or what would motivate them.

I think that it wouldn't be a bad idea to game these scenarios, because it could lead to other productive results that would not have otherwise been thought of




ladyneedshelp -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 9:08:09 AM)

I think the possibility of life beyond our planer is great. If there is a way to do warp speed someone will eventually figure it out......and maybe someone on a far more advanced world has?!!!? Not something we will know untill we are actually visited or discover it ourselves.......

Would the govt. Waste time and money reserching such an outrageous idea? Yes ..... who else would come up with such a stupid idea as going up inballoons??? Remember "project blue book"? The military actually had teams going out and checking out people who reported siteings? There is no end to the stupidity of the govt!




juliaoceania -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 9:12:17 AM)

Many thought going to the moon was a waste of money.. it spawned so much technology and advancement that we are still enjoying the fruits of that "waste"




pahunkboy -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 9:23:24 AM)

I never worry about alien attacks.  Our own govt is far more dangerous. 




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 9:24:30 AM)

I have no doubt there are contingency plans.




PdxJ -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 9:29:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I never worry about alien attacks.  Our own govt is far more dangerous. 


That!




Kirata -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 10:12:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Now, I am not one of those Liberal thinkers that believe that an alien race is likely to be benign and comes to the Earth to help us with new technology, but then I, given the laws of physics as we now understand them, do not believe that interstellar travel is possible due to the time involved. We are talking generations to travel to the nearest star scientists THINK could support life.

So the question, do you think that the government has actually spent time and money on the possibility OR has National Geographic gotten desperate for show ideas?

The problem with interstellar travel can be summed up in two words: inertial mass. It takes prodigious amounts of energy to accelerate a substantial mass to anywhere remotely near light speed in a practical time frame, the faster you try to accelerate it the more energy it takes, nevermind that you have to have enough energy left to slow it down, and even at light speed the duration of a trip to the stars would be measured in lifetimes.

However, there have been multitudinous reports by reliable witnesses, corroborated by multiple radars, of craft under intelligent control (evading pursuit, etc.) in our atmosphere that are capable of accelerating to speeds calculated to be on the order of 18,000 miles per hour and of executing turns that would disintegrate any kind of vehicle current materials science can imagine. The turning radius of the SR-71 at Mach 3, for example, is 100 miles. Tighter than that would destroy the aircraft.

There is, therefore, good reason to think that it may be technologically possible to reduce the inertial mass of an object, possibly even to negate it entirely. One consequence of such a technology would be that the energy required to accelerate an object to light speed and far beyond would be trivial. So you can bet the farm that our military (and probably not just ours) has had black projects working on the problem for some time now, and there are more than a few indications that they may have solved it.

We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity... Anything you can imagine we already know how to do. ~Ben Rich, Lockeed Skunkworks

K.





jlf1961 -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 10:14:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ladyneedshelp

I think the possibility of life beyond our planer is great. If there is a way to do warp speed someone will eventually figure it out......and maybe someone on a far more advanced world has?!!!? Not something we will know untill we are actually visited or discover it ourselves.......

Would the govt. Waste time and money reserching such an outrageous idea? Yes ..... who else would come up with such a stupid idea as going up inballoons??? Remember "project blue book"? The military actually had teams going out and checking out people who reported siteings? There is no end to the stupidity of the govt!


Okay, for one thing, according to the laws of physics, for an object to move at just the speed of light, it would need infinite energy due to the relativistic mass it acquires by moving that fast. The object would have an infinite mass. Thus, according to the laws of physics, you can only achieve a percentage of light speed.

Now the Alcubierre drive, also known as the Alcubierre metric, is a speculative mathematical model of a spacetime exhibiting features reminiscent of the fictional "warp drive" from Star Trek, which can travel "faster than light", although not in a local sense.

In 1994, the Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre proposed a method of stretching space in a wave which would in theory cause the fabric of space ahead of a spacecraft to contract and the space behind it to expand.[1] The ship would ride this wave inside a region known as a warp bubble of flat space. Since the ship is not moving within this bubble, but carried along as the region itself moves, conventional relativistic effects such as time dilation do not apply in the way they would in the case of a ship moving at high velocity through flat spacetime relative to other objects. Also, this method of travel does not actually involve moving faster than light in a local sense, since a light beam within the bubble would still always move faster than the ship; it is only "faster than light" in the sense that, thanks to the contraction of the space in front of it, the ship could reach its destination faster than a light beam restricted to travelling outside the warp bubble. Thus, the Alcubierre drive does not contradict the conventional claim that relativity forbids a slower-than-light object to accelerate to faster-than-light speeds. However, there are no known methods to create such a warp bubble in a region that does not already contain one, or to leave the bubble once inside it, so the Alcubierre drive remains a hypothetical concept at this time. Alcubierre drive

What makes this theory possible is string theory.


As for Operation Blue Book, 22% of cases studied were classified as "Unknown."

While this is a significant number, there was no evidence in these cases to indicate that the "unknowns" were of extraterrestrial origin, although by the same token, there was no evidence they were not, hence the category of "Unknown."

None of the cases investigated were considered a threat to national security.

I must also point out that UFO sightings are still investigated by the air force, but there is this little tidbit:

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An Air Force memorandum (released via the Freedom of Information Act) dated October 20, 1969 and signed by Brigadier General C.H. Bolander states that even after Blue Book was dissolved, that "reports of UFOs" would still "continue to be handled through the standard Air Force procedure designed for this purpose." Furthermore, wrote Bolander, "Reports of unidentified flying objects which could affect national security … are not part of the Blue Book system." USAF current official statement on UFOs




Icarys -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 10:46:17 AM)

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The problem with interstellar travel can be summed up in two words: inertial mass. It takes prodigious amounts of energy to accelerate a substantial mass to anywhere remotely near light speed in a practical time frame, the faster you try to accelerate it the more energy it takes, nevermind that you have to have enough energy left to slow it down, and even at light speed the duration of a trip to the stars would be measured in lifetimes.

However, there have been multitudinous reports by reliable witnesses, corroborated by multiple radars, of craft under intelligent control (evading pursuit, etc.) in our atmosphere that are capable of accelerating to speeds calculated to be on the order of 18,000 miles per hour and of executing turns that would disintegrate any kind of vehicle current materials science can imagine. The turning radius of the SR-71 at Mach 3, for example, is 100 miles. Tighter than that would destroy the aircraft.

There is, therefore, good reason to think that it may be technologically possible to reduce the inertial mass of an object, possibly even to negate it entirely. One consequence of such a technology would be that the energy required to accelerate an object to light speed and far beyond would be trivial. So you can bet the farm that our military (and probably not just ours) has had black projects working on the problem for some time now, and there are more than a few indications that they may have solved it.

We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity... Anything you can imagine we already know how to do. ~Ben Rich, Lockeed Skunkworks

K.


Check this out. http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/planes-uavs/1281276
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VOFdXO929Q&feature=related

Friggin sweet. I watched it last night for a short bit but it was doing back-flips in flight.

I want one and I want it to have my babies.




Icarys -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 11:03:31 AM)

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According to the various scientists and military advisers on the show, the United States Government AND the United Nations have contingency plans in case the Earth is invaded by an Extraterrestrial race.

I know the government has done research and made plans for almost every possible scenario available but this seems extremely farfetched if they are on record as saying there is no such thing.

It's one thing to make plans for an invasion from a foreign land we've never had trouble with but on an entirely different plane to make plans against an enemy that doesn't exist.






joether -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 11:34:36 AM)

Vampires are to movies what zombies are to video games. The CDC recently released a 'tongue-in-cheek' plan for dealing with the zombie apocalyse. There are hundreds of books related to this subject matter. And zombies show up in quite a number of video games (from Wolfenstein 3D all the way to Call of Duty: Black Ops). The most popular sword in Blizzard Entertainment's game 'World of Warcraft', Ashbringer, was a weapon that could destroy hundreds of zombies with a swipe. So yes, should their be a plan in the event of a outbreak of hungry zombies looking for sweet, delicious liberal brains? Of course, cus conservative brains are already decayed matter and moderates is rathe bland (even with A1 steak sauce added).

I'm sure when our military was involved in a warzone, somewhere, sometime, to tired from drilling, and really didnt want to deal with Congress, they thought about the alien invasion. Just like zombies, hundreds of books, movies (Battlefield: Earth), shows (Robotech Saga), and such were devoted to the concept of aliens invading. Your hard tax dollars at work....

Be ironic if the aliens come, seperate the good christians from all the wannabes (and they have some device to show it) and take them (the good Christians) to another planet to being life anew.....then blow away the remaining humans. Be rather amusing to watch how many super rich Christians try to throw hundreds of millions at the aliens to go to this new planet, and get denied for the correct reason (by not using that money for the poor and needy).





Moonhead -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 11:39:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
The show went into great detail about how our military would be relatively ineffective against a race with the technology to cross interstellar distances.

Jenkins! Chap with the wings there. Five rounds rapid.
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Icarys -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 11:40:24 AM)

They're here!!

Here too evidently

[:D]




pahunkboy -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 12:12:56 PM)

As broke as we are- why are we funding this?




DomKen -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 12:26:41 PM)

FR

Of course someone in government developed a contingency plan. I doubt it is all that long or much beyond such things as activate the Civil Defence network. There are planners in the Pentagon developing and refining contingency plans for every conceivable event.




Moonhead -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 12:26:52 PM)

Because there's a job in it for somebody that isn't dependent on results, I'd imagine.




Fellow -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 12:43:35 PM)

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So the question, do you think that the government has actually spent time and money on the possibility


I think, it is quite possible millions have been spent. Defense contractors are very creative with ideas. There was for example millions worth "remote viewing" program until a responsible congressman found out and requested to put stop to it.




rulemylife -> RE: Now I have heard everything (5/23/2011 3:06:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Now, I hope I do not sound like a kook
, but it is very possible that they have extraterrestrial technology in their possession already.
I can't prove that, so I would never argue that point, but there are a good many people who believe that is might be true.



Oops, too late.

But I'm sure if you hook up with some of our conspiracy theorists they will point you to numerous websites that not only believe it might be true but can offer you "facts" to prove it.




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