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Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 11:43:02 AM   
OwnedFemaleFlesh


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Status: offline 		I was just wondering if anyone uses speaking protocols, and if so, what 'levels' they use. i.e. Not being allowed to speak at all, being allowed to speak with permission, being allowed to speak if spoken to, being allowed to speak freely, etc.

How do these work out in your day to day lives? Do you always remember to use them, or is it a case of not following any protocol unless told otherwise? What levels do you use, and how do you indicate what protocol is in place at any given time? i.e. by saying level one, or, a I have heard others use, 'formal' and 'casual' etiquette required.

This is something I'm interested in at the moment as I sometimes talk too much, or talk over my Owner's favourite shows and am just wondering if this is something that could be of use to us. What experiences has everyone else had, if any? How has it affected your relationship, and would you recommend it to others or do you find it stifles what you want to say?

Many thanks,

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 12:11:59 PM   
Marc2b


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Status: offline 		I am a "slaves are to be seen, not heard" kind of guy. There are times (like when relaxing by the fire at the end of the day when I enjoy quite conversation with her but most of the time when we are in Master/slave mode (we are not 24/7) the slave does not speak except...

1. To acknowledge a command.

or

2. To answer a question put to her.

There are some exceptions:

The slave can request permission to speak with a hand signal (kneeling in front of me, with one hand behind her back and the other on her forhead, palm flat and facing outwords). This is risky on her part - Master does not want to be bothered with trivialities.

Pleas for mercy and forgivness during punishment.

Screams of "Oh god!" and the like when approching orgasm.

And, of course, emergency situations (e.g. the house is on fire).



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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 12:20:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have had the dominants I have been involved with play speech games with me. We did not structure the relationship around it, but it was just for fun.

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 12:20:45 PM   
Ninjaroo


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Status: offline 		N encourages me to talk. I have always been someone who represses what i feel i need to say to make people happy. He makes me talk about them.

For brief periods of "play" he will expect only two words out of my mouth .... "yes Master" and those are cool for short periods of time though i prefer to be in a relationship where i am a companion as well as his slave. YMMV though as we are also best friends.

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 12:22:37 PM   
Ninjaroo


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Status: offline 		Ummm opps sorry N. That was me and i should really log him off when i read forums.

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 12:24:00 PM   
coookie


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Status: offline 		sorry for those technical difficulties =(

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 1:03:12 PM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		We live together. There is no time when the relationship isn't in existence. Beyond that, I've been in a relationship where he didn't want any communication. There is no way I am willing to ever be unheard and invalidated again. And since the primary drive for us is emotional transparency and not obedience or service, cutting off communication would be the same as saying he didn't care how I felt, which would say that the bedrock of the relationship was no longer there.

In very stressful, short term situations he has told me to be quiet so he can concentrate on the problem at hand. But that's very rare, only happened a couple of times in all these years. And the moment he has solved the problem, it ends. 

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 1:06:37 PM   
NorthernGent


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quote:

ORIGINAL: OwnedFemaleFlesh

I was just wondering if anyone uses speaking protocols, and if so, what 'levels' they use. i.e. Not being allowed to speak at all, being allowed to speak with permission, being allowed to speak if spoken to, being allowed to speak freely, etc.

How do these work out in your day to day lives? Do you always remember to use them, or is it a case of not following any protocol unless told otherwise? What levels do you use, and how do you indicate what protocol is in place at any given time? i.e. by saying level one, or, a I have heard others use, 'formal' and 'casual' etiquette required.

This is something I'm interested in at the moment as I sometimes talk too much, or talk over my Owner's favourite shows and am just wondering if this is something that could be of use to us. What experiences has everyone else had, if any? How has it affected your relationship, and would you recommend it to others or do you find it stifles what you want to say?

Many thanks,

owned xxx


Speaking protocol for me isn't about enforcing when to speak and when not to speak; she should know when to keep quiet with no need for a signal. For me, it's about an understanding when communicating. Simple things - when you've finished speaking you tilt your head to the right and that's her cue (managed it this time).

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 2:49:42 PM   
Focus50


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quote:

ORIGINAL: OwnedFemaleFlesh

I was just wondering if anyone uses speaking protocols, and if so, what 'levels' they use. i.e. Not being allowed to speak at all, being allowed to speak with permission, being allowed to speak if spoken to, being allowed to speak freely, etc.

How do these work out in your day to day lives? Do you always remember to use them, or is it a case of not following any protocol unless told otherwise? What levels do you use, and how do you indicate what protocol is in place at any given time? i.e. by saying level one, or, a I have heard others use, 'formal' and 'casual' etiquette required.

This is something I'm interested in at the moment as I sometimes talk too much, or talk over my Owner's favourite shows and am just wondering if this is something that could be of use to us. What experiences has everyone else had, if any? How has it affected your relationship, and would you recommend it to others or do you find it stifles what you want to say?


In our everyday lives, we're just another couple and she can initiate any conversation she wishes. "Sir" tends to become her pet name for me, rather than what's expected within our D/s dynamic. The standing order is that she's not to call me that in front of a 3rd party.

Within a D/s dynamic, she mostly speaks when obliged to - such as if I ask her something or there's a physical problem, like a rope that's too tight, for eg. If I speak at all, I tend to confine myself to yes/no questions so as not to drag her too far out of her submissive headspace with laborious answers. All her answers have to end with "Sir" and any questions have to start with "Sir". That said, I tend to get a bit more chatty if I've gagged her; even have her repeat answers because she's mumbling etc - it's all good...!

The grey area is between the normal everyday and a formal scene. The girl takes her cues from me and my mood, generally reading my tone and body language. If she kept interrupting as you've described, I'd get pissed and she'd hear it in my voice - that I've suddenly become "Sir" and she *needs* to know her place and respond accordingly.

If you think you talk too much, then I'd say that's the standard your owner has set for you in allowing it. That's another topic - "training".

Focus.

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 3:15:04 PM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		my only speaking protocols are no cursing at him and must speak to him with respect. Other than that we're just like any other couple.

Now there are times when he tells me to be quiet or only to speak in a certain manner but they aren't long term situations.




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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 3:17:42 PM   
SirRussellP


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Status: offline 		I use them.  I will take away words like "no" for a time, the exception is if needed for her work and only when nothing else quite fits. 

The lack of that very simple word for awhile will help her slave find its voice, alters her view of the world and lets her know just how much power there is in that word. 

Another word I will take away for a while is "I" and "Me" this is to help her understand that she is no longer her own person.

Russell

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 3:20:47 PM   
sunshinemiss


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ORIGINAL: SirRussellP

I use them.  I will take away words like "no" for a time, the exception is if needed for her work and only when nothing else quite fits. 



Is she your girl?
http://www.dump.com/2011/01/06/why-do-the-irish-never-say-yes-or-no-video/

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 3:25:33 PM   
gothikbutterfly


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Status: offline 		if asked a question by someone other than Master, I have to wait for Master to give me permission to answer the question. Other than that, I am at liberty to speak freely.

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 3:42:02 PM   
MissImmortalPain


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Status: offline 		Speech restriction is a very hard limit for me. It always has been. I will drag out things in a conversation to get a person to honestly answer me about something. The idea of telling them not to speak seems like a gift to me not a punishment or form of training. Not to say there are not times when I have looked at "him" and said shut up and yes he does. But if someone really wants to speak I would not remove their right to do so. "Slave, pet, sub, or property" it doesn't matter they are all human and I treat them as such because I wouldn't want to own them if they weren't.

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 7:58:37 PM   
hausboy


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Status: offline 		It depends on the circumstance.

At ClubFEM events, I only speak when addressed directly, no direct eye contact, answer with as few words as possible in a quiet tone, and address all as Madam unless they indicate a preference for a different title.

At my primary Household, I always address the Heads of Household as "Sir" and "Miss L."  I do not speak when going about my chores, unless specifically engaged in conversation. As a reward, I am permitted to lunch with my Sir, and during which I can speak freely without any formality.  During disciplinary measures, it is formal and I do not speak unless asked a question or ordered to count strokes-- apologies are allowable.  Corner time, if applied, is strictly silent.  During aftercare time, I can speak freely.

During my longtime marriage to my Domme, we only implemented speaking protocols during disciplinary sessions (for us, it was always funishment)  Our dynamic was as equals when not engaged in D/s play.

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 8:47:13 PM   
ResidentSadist


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Status: offline 		I have high and low protocol.  Sorta like the military at ease and at attention modes.  In high protocol, the level of respect for time and the words spoken is vital.  They must be concise and to the point, not wasting time with idle chat or pointless questions.  For example:

Slave:  "Sir, may I asked you a question?"
Master:  "You just did"

<end of conversation>


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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 9:02:33 PM   
NuevaVida


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Status: offline 		I was stifled for most of my life so we kind of have the opposite thing going on - he encourages me to talk and express myself as much as possible.  He kind of finds it amusing to watch me just go on and on about something, and then realize how much I've been talking.  At that point he kisses my forehead and laughs.

I heard the word "No" mentioned here and it cracked me up.  He had restricted us from drinking wine, for lent. So on Saturday we were in the store and I was happily talking about having vino on Easter. He said, "Maybe we should hold off until Monday" to which I exclaimed, "Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!" without even thinking of it.  Oops!  Then I laughed and said "We should make this an official tantrum" and I stomped my foot at him (for fun).  I said "There - now I've said No AND stomped my foot!  Wow!"

He swatted my ass and said "And I'll spank your ass right here in the store, too."

So yeah, I don't say no to him much.


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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 9:09:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OwnedFemaleFlesh
I was just wondering if anyone uses speaking protocols, and if so, what 'levels' they use. i.e. Not being allowed to speak at all, being allowed to speak with permission, being allowed to speak if spoken to, being allowed to speak freely, etc.


Unless we are in high protocol, I am allowed to speak freely to a point. If I call him a Rat Bastid and don't say SIR at the end of it, I'd be in truble.

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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 9:13:08 PM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		We have "home" speaking protocols and "public" speaking protocols.  For most public situations, clip is to speak/remain silent as he would during a formal leather event.  At no time may he speak during service at a formal dinner.  It is required of him that he wait for introduction before engaging in conversation with a senior leatherman.  At no time is he permitted to interrupt the discussion between Myself and whomever I am having a conversation. 

I can grant him permission at a formal event to speak freely.  I will do that in more relaxed atmospheres.


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RE: Speaking Protocols - 4/25/2011 9:15:21 PM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		oh yeah....I almost forgot...there's a certain word I'm not allowed to call him. So I use words that mean the same thing....sometimes he lets them slip by. LOL
and no I'm not going to say it. I like my ass intact thankyouverymuch.


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