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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/25/2011 5:34:19 PM

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IMHO, violence is wrong, period.

No one deserves special punishments for the bad guy, if they are assaulted. We should make all punishments harsh enough that folks will think twice before they commit the crime.

Crimes of violence are all hate crimes, whether they hate them selves or the victim, or hell, the whole damn world.

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/25/2011 5:35:12 PM

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One of the attackers has a prior arrest at the same place.

One simply can not solve every problem by stomping on someones face. Even if it was deserved- it went on too long.

And lets suppose the TG looked at her boyfriend. Big deal. Why be so insecure to think some TG could steal him away.

They will have to do something. MCD- will have liability issues too. I can only imagine how that will go.

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/25/2011 5:40:00 PM

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IMHO, violence is wrong, period.

No one deserves special punishments for the bad guy, if they are assaulted. We should make all punishments harsh enough that folks will think twice before they commit the crime.

Crimes of violence are all hate crimes, whether they hate them selves or the victim, or hell, the whole damn world.

I agree

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/25/2011 5:42:36 PM

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...there is a threat of copy cat things at McD. Recall that 1 or 2 - made a vid for youtube... it is a badge of honor for the kids- even if they get a slap on the wrist- they want that 15 mins of fame.

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/25/2011 5:54:40 PM

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I agree that violence is wrong, period. But I confess, even in my usual self-supposed broad-mindedness, that in a dark part of my heart that is tired of humanity in general, I would love to see those two little bitches humbled and enjoying some well-earned eye-for-an-eye karma, even if only for the same small but frightening number of minutes.
Perhaps this is a weakness in me and I accept it, but I would personally find that terribly satisfying.
Just sayin'.

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/25/2011 5:58:17 PM

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I think they just needed a good lay.

Which gets me thinking.

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/25/2011 5:59:26 PM

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I agree that violence is wrong, period. But I confess, even in my usual self-supposed broad-mindedness, that in a dark part of my heart that is tired of humanity in general, I would love to see those two little bitches humbled and enjoying some well-earned eye-for-an-eye karma, even if only for the same small but frightening number of minutes.
Perhaps this is a weakness in me and I accept it, but I would personally find that terribly satisfying.
Just sayin'.

I have no argument with this!

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/25/2011 10:40:56 PM

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In this respect, people need to be more like you, Popeye (yeah, I can't believe I typed that either.) If trans people creep you out that's fine, you're allowed to feel anyway you want, and it's your body, you can keep your distance if you want. The problem comes when people that discomfort materializes into the world around you in the form of punches to the face, or screaming. Really, Transpeople just want to live their lives.

Hey Violet, I'm all about "Live and let live."
I just don't see any good reason to hit someone just because they're differant. That doesn't make any sense.
Even my buddy Jack the former Marine/Prison Guard who I mentioned earlier wouldn't ever hit a retard of course.
It's funny about him, he's a big strong guy who really knows how to fight and he's afraid of retards! Every once in a while when we're out and about I'll fuck with him; "Jack! Watch out! Behind you! A RETARD!" He jumps to the side, raises his fists and starts looking around. lolol
Or we'll see one with his mother or father like in the Mall or something and I'll say, "Jack, want me to go over and start poking that retard and get him good and pissed off?" "Maybe he'll chase us!" He gets PISSED! "Tommy, don't even start that shit or I'll knock YOU out and let the retard get you while I run away!" lol

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/25/2011 11:07:39 PM

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Sad part is the 14 year old attacker... if she had got hurt, she would have sued everyone.

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/26/2011 6:15:11 AM

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2nd Victim Details MCDONALD'S Beatdown...

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/26/2011 6:15:16 AM

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In this respect, people need to be more like you, Popeye (yeah, I can't believe I typed that either.) If trans people creep you out that's fine, you're allowed to feel anyway you want, and it's your body, you can keep your distance if you want. The problem comes when people that discomfort materializes into the world around you in the form of punches to the face, or screaming. Really, Transpeople just want to live their lives.

Hey Violet, I'm all about "Live and let live."
I just don't see any good reason to hit someone just because they're differant. That doesn't make any sense.
Even my buddy Jack the former Marine/Prison Guard who I mentioned earlier wouldn't ever hit a retard of course.
It's funny about him, he's a big strong guy who really knows how to fight and he's afraid of retards! Every once in a while when we're out and about I'll fuck with him; "Jack! Watch out! Behind you! A RETARD!" He jumps to the side, raises his fists and starts looking around. lolol
Or we'll see one with his mother or father like in the Mall or something and I'll say, "Jack, want me to go over and start poking that retard and get him good and pissed off?" "Maybe he'll chase us!" He gets PISSED! "Tommy, don't even start that shit or I'll knock YOU out and let the retard get you while I run away!" lol

I think your friend is one of them.

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/26/2011 6:27:56 AM

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^ Mentally retarded, wont hurt anyone. Yes- they can have temper tantrooms- I worked in group homes for 5 years. I was never attacked. Tho- if you stand in the way--- you could get bopped. Mentally Ill, and mentally retarded are 2 different things. Mentally ill- is much harder to deal with then retarded. Much more.

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/26/2011 7:14:14 AM

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The prosecution is foolish for considering charging the attackers with a hate crime. The victim herself said that she was attacked because the boyfriend of one of the attackers talked to her. The defense will be all over that. Charge them with assault and it is a slam dunk. Elevate it to a hate crime and the girls will likely walk. Add to that too many people who sit on the jury will find it difficult that two black women are capable of a "hate" crime because they have suffered such injustice their whole life, and they walk. I know how racist it sounds, but any half way decent defense attorney will take that position if the elevated hate crime is pursued.

Since the victim herself initially said it wasn't because of her gender status, I believe that she is taking the opportunity to get something out of it, and no doubt has a lot of people encouraging her to do so. Another sad situation.

Rape is a crime of violence, but not a hate crime. Rape carries its own penalties, all based on what occured. Just because it is women who are most often raped doesn't make it a hate crime. Saying so shows a complete lack of understanding regarding both the crime and criminal justice system.

NO ONE, regardless of gender, race, sexual preference, etc. should ever suffer being attacked.

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/26/2011 7:21:24 AM

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^ Mentally retarded, wont hurt anyone. Yes- they can have temper tantrooms- I worked in group homes for 5 years. I was never attacked. Tho- if you stand in the way--- you could get bopped. Mentally Ill, and mentally retarded are 2 different things. Mentally ill- is much harder to deal with then retarded. Much more.

PaHunk, I tried to explain that to him but I think it's just a phobia he has.
He said something about getting in a fight with one and not being able to control them because of "retard strength" or something like that.
Some people freak out when they see a clown. It's probably the same thing.

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/26/2011 7:28:40 AM

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Maybe next time Shabamda and Kawhamda will run into these chicken nuggets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoBG8DdtrQ0&feature=related

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/26/2011 7:38:57 AM

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^ Mentally retarded, wont hurt anyone. Yes- they can have temper tantrooms- I worked in group homes for 5 years. I was never attacked. Tho- if you stand in the way--- you could get bopped. Mentally Ill, and mentally retarded are 2 different things. Mentally ill- is much harder to deal with then retarded. Much more.

PaHunk, I tried to explain that to him but I think it's just a phobia he has.
He said something about getting in a fight with one and not being able to control them because of "retard strength" or something like that.
Some people freak out when they see a clown. It's probably the same thing.

He is correct in that the retarded have incredible strength. One of the guys kicked out a windshield while sitting in the car.    One guy did attack workers- he wanted his money or cigs which were locked in a closet- the worker should in the way- and confronted him.

But as a rule MR will hurt THEMSELF sooner then another person. They have incredible empathy-   very loving- they see the world in simplistic ways. They can also cut thru the noise- in ways you and I can not.

I loved doing that kind of work. It was a learning experience for me. My mom and sister were in the field too.   I have some great memories there.

One of the supervisors husbands was in the one day- a state trooper. He too was fearful of- - or uncomfortable.

There is a such thing as dually diagnosed... meaning MR/MH. But even these guys are not that difficult.

PS... I find clowns creepy too.

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/26/2011 7:55:41 AM

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Going back to the issue of the employees doing nothing, it doesn't surprise me much at all. The typical McDonald's employees are very young, sometimes still in high school.Their inexperience, combined with the shock of what they are watching, probably kept them frozen in place.

Hell last week, I had a use of force in front of seven other officers, and only two reacted.

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/26/2011 8:01:36 AM

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^ other officers? ??

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/26/2011 8:24:48 AM

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Going back to the issue of the employees doing nothing, it doesn't surprise me much at all. The typical McDonald's employees are very young, sometimes still in high school.Their inexperience, combined with the shock of what they are watching, probably kept them frozen in place.

Hell last week, I had a use of force in front of seven other officers, and only two reacted.

Much different situation though. Using force to contain a situation is a part of your job as detailed in your responsibilities. That's not the same as a worker in a fast food joint. It's not like McDonalds can say, "if a fight breaks out between customers, it's your responsibility to break it up". Oh, and by the way, we're not going to train you on how to do that or give you any gear to give you the upper hand. No, we're just going to pay you minimum wage and ask you to step in and get your head busted. If the franchise did that, even I could construct a nice law suit and win.

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Up until Pa posted that additional link, I'd have been with Violet all of the way. Somebody's TG radar works a heck of a lot better than Mine because I wouldn't have known. When I saw the victim interviewed after the attack (with thanks to hausboy who posted that link on another thread) I wouldn't have thought the hate crime charge could be applied because I wasn't sure the attackers knew the victim was TG. Now, I'm not so sure.

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RE: MCDONALD'S beating victim calls attack hate crime... - 4/27/2011 12:07:19 AM

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Women get raped because they are women. Rape is a crime of violence. Rape is a crime against women. Rape is a hate crime.

I'm sure the male victims of rape might disagree with you on some of these points. But then they don't count for stats, do they?

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