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Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/23/2011 5:26:17 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		This really comes down to just how much balls do I really have. I had plenty of balls in the old days, and sometimes lost. I would quit at the drop of a hat if I felt like it and I've gone alot further than that. But out of all the places I've worked, I left most of them on good terms.

An incident happened Friday which is on my mind and with things having changed, I don't know if I should persue my normal course of action. This unit screws up cold. It had THREE other problems which have been taken care of. First of all it was hit by a power surge while running, which is BAD. I took care of it and then found problem number two. Problem number three is what's called a coolant change and I don't do that. They have the kid do that, which he did last week sometime.

Now I never saw this problem, it was completely up and running as far as I knew. But this is a bad problem. There is a $325 board it needs. I think I might be able to correct the problem in software but I can't get on the internet to get the information because idiots fucked up the network. The problem might be caused by long term drift, although long term isn't that long. It does happen. It might just be adjusting one parameter.

So I go and tell the boss, and he says he already had lunch. I asked WTF does that mean and he said he is not swallowing it. Well that can only mean one of two things, either that he doubts my technical ability or thinks I am lying. It can only be one or the other. I am on the verge of making a decision. This will probably involve quitting.

Not to worry, I have quit jobs before and my phone eventually rings. Eventually might be a problem right now. But like in a poker game, you bet the game not your pocket. This is imperative. But in these economic times the odds have changed I think.

So this turns into him shouting. I only mildly raised my voice because the ambient level of the sound of his screaming like a broad made it necessary. He yelled louder than I've ever heard. I understand that he's been in this game too long and is burned out, but I have my limits. I have a long fuse, but he doesn't want any part of what it is connected to, but he doesn't know it.

The last altercation involved him bitching about money, we had a few things go wrong. He even called me a few names then. He is not all that smart really. My case is easy, if I lie, why does he trust me ? If I am incompetent why have I been there for over six years ? I'm on terra firma when it comes to that and I am pretty sure that I am going to pull my tools out of there Monday, or maybe even today. But do I quit or just show ? Last time he got into this he wound up apologizing and things have gone smoothly since, up until yesterday.

I have said for a long time that to win you have to willing to lose. But now the stakes have changed. How long before my phone rings the second time ? See I don't answer the first time. Sometimes I do but I say "Oh, I was on the other line, otherwise I wouldn't have picked you up". That is about the equivalent of turning the knife around after stabbing someone. I've only done it a couple of times.

Now I won't claim to never lie, but I avoid it like the plague. I WILL NOT lie about a technical matter in my field because that is the core of my worth. I know this, and so does a former employer who seems to be willing to hire me back as of sometime next week. Both jobs are part time, and have been for a long time. The old job is a ballbuster, there is no fucking around. But then when there are problems that are hard to resolve they cooperate, they don't whine and bitch. This fuckhead, I walk in there and say "We have a problem" he whined like a little bitch. Very unbecoming to say the least. At the old job which may become the new job, they would want details, and I would provide same and we solved the problem. Not here.

Here we have a guy, if I were to describe him objectively - He is an Austrian DP with a small man as well as a Hitler complex. Bitching about this and that, fronting off customers, it's surprising that he even got to the level of success he had. But that is not the point right now, I must consider this carefully.

The economy sucks. Business sucks because people have no money, I understand that. What's more I have to have real bills now that the house is mine and I'll be damnned if I'm going to lose it. It ain't much but I am comfortable here. Renting is not my style. Even so, this is cheaper than renting anyway. Of course I could rent it out but it would take me a at least a year to move out, literally.

There is a fly in the ointment, the fucker is ready to retire. There is a chance that I'll be able to take over the business. Lots of problems involved with that but I think they're managable. If I sever ties now, that possibility will be gone. Also, even the old job (the new new job) is not going to be a lifelong thing unless I move because it is 23 miles away. If I wanted to move I have places I could live practically for free, but this place is MINE. That's alot to give up, and if I lose that's what will happen eventually. It doesn't matter if I rent it out, if I do I certainly can't live here at the same time. Plus renting is a pain in the ass. We tried it and it left a bad taste in our mouths (figuratively of course). Evictions, and then some. Fuck that.

So to keep the place at least the taxes and insurance have to be paid. I can do enough side jobs for the rest of it, but I don't like doing that. I might have to.

I know a hell of alot of people are in worse shape, but dammit, why should I give up. You have to understnd that I will not put up with this shit from someone who has been out of the technical end of this as long as I have been in it. This shit wasn't even invented nor even concieved when he went to school.

I am not angry, it would be like being angry if you lose a game. It is stupid and childish. But I WILL NOT put up with certain things, especially when I am in the right. (yes, especially) And I am sure I am right in that this shitbag is NOT my fault. I am not sure I can fix it in software, that is an ifcome based on an assumption. I could find out if his cunt and other employees had only used the computers for business and they worked, but that's not how it is. They got porn and email, and he doesn't fucking care. They call him over to see a cool vid or a porn picture. He's as bad as they are.

And all this in light of the fact that I was very productive Thursday. One of the jobs was a comeback, which means little or no money, but the rest were fine. The come back, I might as well bring this up. There are two identical parts with a very high failure rate, they dissipate alot of heat and are pushed to the limit.

Well originally when the comeback was fixed we only had one of these fast moving parts in stock so I determined which had failed and replaced it. I would've replaced both but we didn't have enough. It's not my fault that he can't get it together to get the materials we need to do the job. One job was fairly easy (for me), and on another we found that the part was very hard to get but I knew where we had a good one, used. Get used to used parts, that's all there is most of the time. Another was someone else's fuckup, which I fixed. Probably made the company close to a grand. I got a hundred and whatever. If I was the boss I think I would be happy with that.

Well he doesn't seem to remember that, but he is going to remember this. You have to understand that I am willing to lose, even go live under a bridge. That won't happen because I have too many friends. But still I would like to maintain my style of living, you know, like in my house.......

NOW, here is the kicker. If the new (old) job pans out, I am pretty sure I can bring his old customers there after the demise of this place. In fact I am damn sure I can do that. And that place can handle it, I know because I taught them, and they will freely admit it and in fact have done so in writing. It's not that they owe me, but we know each other and know how to work together. This fuck works apart. He doesn't want the details and nothing is ever his fault, even though things for which he is responsible go unfinished. The other place accomodates one to make them money.

He was yelling that he takes care of his end, and despite the fact that it is a bald faced lie, I didn't respond. YET.

I don't know quite what to do. I am not whining here, but I am unsure of exactly what path I should take. I WILL assert my WILL, nobody is going to talk me out of that. But I might be faced with the choice of working far away or going into business for myself. The former could work for a time and finance the latter. I have my tools, a scope and a few meters as well as a laptop with tens of thousands of bucks worth of technical info in it. All I need is a suitable vehicle and an ad somewhere. Right now I could go into direct competition and win, but it's a big pain in the ass.

Members of one professional website advised me to go into business for myself. It has it's advantages. One says he is making a decent living off of a ten buck ad in the local paper. I have looked into it and a ten buck ad in my local paper is not ten bucks. It's more like a couple hundred. Plus the fact that I believe they are price gouging, they do not have the circulation to support that rate. I could almost do better with those circulars with all the coupons, or even direct mail.

I would need a half decent minivan, I already can get a phone line just for business (I almost never answer my LL). I could borrow a minivan or SUV without much hassle. What's more even having the phone answered by a human wouldn't pose much of a problem.

But do I want this ?

T^T
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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/23/2011 7:28:19 AM   
JstAnotherSub


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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/23/2011 7:32:41 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		So he wants you to sell a customer a $325 part that he does not need?


What are the choices of options?

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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/23/2011 9:30:05 AM   
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There are things you could explore now, while still tentatively employed, that could at least suggest to you a possible next step, for one thing, and at least provide some small bill paying for another.

What comes to mind here is the DIY (do it yourself) community in the audio world. Some make a decent living out of building Audio Note kits for others, or refurbishing 50's amps and preamps which are quite popular with some, especially Eico gear. And don't forget guitar amps; you could get a decent side job taking some of this burden off of overworked established repair guys here also.


Aside from that, could there be some likewise avenue in your own field? Think of what either you or your boss or the new hire dislike doing, or what is most difficult to deal with. Look also for what potential clients habitually pay the most for but cannot avoid it. Things like that. That's where you want to go.


And don't forget craigslist and other cheap ways to get your shingle out.




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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/23/2011 9:42:10 AM   
pahunkboy


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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/23/2011 12:00:32 PM   
Termyn8or


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Hunky, no it does need the $325 board. That's the right way. But I suspect it's drifted out of alignment and I might be able to make it work changing software settings. But now I absolutely refuse to do the reseach at home, even though I have the files. I am not getting the files at work because at what I make I can't use his slow ass PC and the network is down so I can't hook my laptop up. One decision I have made is that no matter what I am not fixing that set, period. That is unless I garbage pick it out and take it home..... then I get ALL the money.

Ed, I have considered music equipment and high end audio. I've been hearing bad things about the new shit. Same deal, everything is integrated and there is no component level troubleshooting. But then there is the old stuff. I got into the business just about when tubes got out, but I know enough, I'd just have to shake up the memory banks and remember it. One factor here is that nop matter how expensive, a new TV is usually junk in two years. No parts available, in fact even under warranty there are no parts. Buy a new idiot box, keep the shipping container for return replacement. When the warrnaty is up, cross your fingers and save money for a new one, even if it's two grand or more. People ask me why the government lets the manufacturers get away with this shit, you can imagine my response.

The guy I replaced in this job now owns a hardware store. Maybe he's smarter than I. But he did get into that position by connections, I don't happen to know anyone with a hardware store who happens to be retiring. He's lucky in that the store is really out in the stix, otherwise Home Depot or someone would move in the area and do a Walmart. This is the guy who I literally traded jobs with, which saved us each about 40 miles a day of driving. The other guy who could do it is in jail because he's a crackhead. He won't be back soon, he stole ninety grand worth of stuff from his employer. What's more he is not trustable.

I don't know about craiglist as an option. I listed something there and all I got was scammers.

I'm running out of thoughts right now and it's time to take Jst's advice. I guess I'll get dressed even though it's Saturday.

I'll be back, thanks for the ideas so far. I'm not sure what'll work and what won't, but one thing is for sure. If I don't try, nothing will work.

T^T

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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/23/2011 4:51:39 PM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		Tell the customer the 2 choices-  that the one will be only a band aid... the other will nip it in the bud- let the customer decide what he wishes to pay for.

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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/23/2011 8:56:49 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		It an acquisition. It is intended for sale. Sell it with the imperfection ? Yes it can be done for less than the cost of fixing this abberation.

But my whole point is - whose fault is it ?

I have made something in the way of a decision. I am not going to quit but I might also go work for the other place. If it's a problem, tough shit. But before I work again I am telling this asshole this :

"DO NOT EVER call me a liar again, and I am not talking about just quitting".

Sounds like a threat, let it. If asked I will say that I will help his competitor in business, but with all the shit he does he will take it a different way. Took a little time to think this out, but it is perfect. I have the backup stories all ready. It's a threat, but noone, and I mean noone wil know exactly what it is. I remain in the clear no matter what. Those words are very carefully chosen. Easily schmoozed, but should have the desired effect.

I don't give a shit about his yelling and walking out the door OF HIS OWN SHOP, he called me a liar. Most people who live through that usually did it online or something. Fuck you, face to face ? Let me see you say that. On a technical issue no less.

The fact is I have absolutely no paper trail here, so whatever happens is, well, so what ? I could probably be caught three feet away with a flame thrower after the place burns down and not be a serious suspect. We are not known associates at all.

But I am not going there. I only do things that benefit me and that does not, so don't worry. But I will make my fucking point.

We'll see what happens.

T^T

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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/23/2011 9:08:42 PM   
pahunkboy


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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/23/2011 9:10:49 PM   
Termyn8or


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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/23/2011 9:11:47 PM   
pahunkboy


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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/23/2011 11:54:15 PM   
gungadin09


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Status: offline 		i'm sorry Your boss is an asshole.

pam

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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/24/2011 2:08:41 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Oh, to the nth degree. I put up with him when things are good. He fucking deals and cheats on his oladies, all that. He's a fucking whore. He always opts for the fast buck. I have to limit the options to him so the fucking place doesn't get sued. Mind you if it did I could handle it but he is deathly afraid of court. We have been on terra firma and he buckles. I do things differently.

Why ? Pam, I am going to tell you why. Because he has lied to me and lied to the customers. I know his game and I have worked for his kind before. I know them kind of assholes. I used to be one but I was ten times better at it.

In the 1980s I made almost eighty grand a year, but I had happy customers. They were happy with what they got and I handled the problems correctly. Let me tell you all something about business. It is BETTER if you do have problems, because if you resolve those problems the customer sees that you are willing and able to do so. And of course that you did, TO THEIR SATISFACTION. When you do that, you gain an advantage over anyone who tries to advertise, to them. When I owned a shop, I never advertised, I never had to. I dealt fairly and honestly with people and they fucking knew it.  My profit margins were my business.

That's what financed my carreer of being an asshole. And that wasn't even the end of it. I sold off a few things I had acquired and nobody could touch me. I know how these people operate and I can handkle them. The issue here is whether I should stick it to the gut or not. I am well able. Easily. He couldn't sell fake patents to his Mother, and yes she is still alive.

Now Pam and all you peoples here understand one thing. Normally I will never violate your trust.  But if you call me a liar or a thief, I will do my best to keep you honest. You suspect dishonesty because you expect dishonesty. I find it unnecessary. I do it by choice. If I dedecide you can trust me, I will go with that, to the end. But if you decide you can't, I will find out. And when I do, it's party time at Termy's Terminal. I have been wrong, Ken likes to call people liars, other people like to call me crazy, who am I to detract from their expert honesty and ultimate knowledge ?

In a way, the world's balls are in my hand, but I have to figure out what to do with them. And I will speak my piece. And make peace. "Don't you ever call me a liar again, and I am not talking about just quitting". I've worked for him for six years, you would think he would know by now, but he is apparently ignorant. Everywhere else I worked, they learned, because I could pull in some serious money. This guy is just dense. This shit happening on Friday, right after the Thursday when I made him a shitload of money, if you were the boss, would you piss me off ?

And this DP is a dweeb anyway. For pussy he is paying these cunt cellphone bills, buying them housefuls of furniture, shit like that. Some of this money should be channeled back into the business for stock, like parts and shit.

People think that I have no respect for anyone or anything, and you know what, they are pretty fucking close. And might I mention that the people who say this are very knowing of my ways.

See this asshole is not going to be able to pay from his wallet, I am going to take a piece of him in a way he has never ever experienced. Call me a liar gain, you don't know what I might do, shoot you ? Burn down your shop, maybe your house ? Trash your cars ? Underhanded and sneaky, I admit it, but I am not in the game to lose.

I don't want to go there, but I know the way. And there is alot more. The taxman could cometh, I know too much. And those little side deals. He done fucked up and he gets one chance to fix it. I could take him down in five minutes flat.

T^T

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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/24/2011 3:26:25 AM   
gungadin09


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Status: offline 		i wasn't being sarcastic. i really am sorry Your boss is an asshole. i just don't have any advice. i've worked for people like that, too. It sucks ass.

pam

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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/24/2011 4:01:38 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Trust in me to do something about it, at least in this case. I am not attacking his wallet, but something much more important, I think. Whether he does or not doesn't matter. Like the Outer Limits, I am going to reach into his inner mind. I am goddam glad I found that joint yesterday.

See I can disasscoiate, but to make any progress in life one must reassociate, think out what has happened. I have now.

What if I told you if you did something again that the consequences would be very very unpleasant ? First of all you wouldn't do it without good reason right ? But keeping that in mind, what happens to you ?

I told all of you before that you ain't never met a motherfucker quite like me. I am out for blood. But not alot. I could put this dude in prison in five minutes, I know all about his dealings and his business with the IRS. But I don't do that, and that is why I am pissed about him saying that I lied. He trusted me, and I have never violated that trust. I have been truthfukl with him in I think everything. I cannot remember ever hiding the truth from him. For him to make this accusation is too much.

See I have nothing to hide. I have walked in super late, too late to work and said "The reason I'm not here is because I did a bunch of coke, got any weed, can you front me a couple of joints ?". And he did. So like a scalpel, I am going to carve out just a little teeny bit of his mind, his psyche. I got that coming. But I won't take too much, he can't spare all that much.

Son of a bitch, why the fuck did he say that ? I know. Because he is used to dealing with these cunt who he pays bills for, charges their cellphones with minutes, buys them housefuls of furniture and all that shit. All for pussy. That is where his mind is at. He has actually admitted this weakness to me.

He is ten years older than I, but a child. Should we revisit the justice and mercy thread ? I'd bet my house that I could bring out his self destructive tendencies and wreck his retirement with jail or REAL financial woes, and do it by his own hand.

And if I'm fired, I could be full of shit, but you know what ? If you aren't willing to lose you can't win.

I really wish he hadn't said that.

T^T

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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/24/2011 7:14:23 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		As a rule- I dont think Term is unreasonable.

I only recall a few times on the board that he was too high to make sense...a destructive buzz.  But generally speaking- I don't think you are a srewball in real life.

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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/24/2011 7:24:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		There were times at AT&T where our boss would tell us to do a job the wrong way and not listen to the guys who were actually good at our jobs. When it flopped or ended up costing a lot of money to do over, it was on him. Those foreman usually didn't last to long running a crew. Good managers actually listen to their employees. I would continue doing a good job for that company and wait him out.

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RE: Job related rant - taking opinions - 4/24/2011 8:19:34 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		My cousin was workingt out of local 38 on the Perry nuclear power plant. He was over and sometimes we talked shop. Seems the foreman was telling him to deviate form the plan. This is a nono. The olman told him "Tell him to draw the changes on the print and initial them, or else you go by the print".

That is professionalism, it does not allow some strawboss to fuck up the whole situation. If there are changes to a nuclear power plant during construction, don't you think it would be a good idea to have a record of them ?

One of my strengths in the business is to be able to modify things, to make things work that almost shouldn't. Don't get me wrong, I am fully aware of what is safe and reliable and am responsible in that respect. But when the thing is broke and the manufacturer is either being a prick or really has no parts, what do you do ? Fill the dumpster ?

It might be good to go back to the other place. They push, but you work to your potential there. It is a challenge just to keep working there. I might like that, it might wake me up, because this place is a bit too laid back. But then my call was not returned Saturday and I don't expect it on Easter, so I don't know. I'll call the shop Monday, I might start Tuesday, or whatever, I don't know. Now all I gotta do is make sure I got tools where I need them. I almost have two sets, but not quite.

You know what else ? These two companies are not in direct competition, we could've cooperated and done alot better. And with those resources I could have tripled the income of where I (might still) work now. Fucking idiots. Where I come from when you work, you WORK. The end of the day comes and then you don't. The new (old) job is quite demanding, but really, I might just like that. My laurels are sore. LOL

T^T

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