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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/23/2011 4:46:08 PM   
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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 4:54:22 AM   
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The question is, who the hell wants it ?

Really, I could set your diet to where you could live to be 100. Docs say I could easily live to be 100. I don't want it. It's just a certain philosophy, that's all. Once you get it you got it. It is so hard to explain yet so easy to understand. Not a problem dude, and if you outlast me I got a list of people you take care of y'hear ? Deal ?

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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 5:01:30 AM   
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I will continue to make clear, not only is life expectancy far longer than it has ever been, indicative of a high quality diet and public health measures like vaccinations, modern medicine, including doctors, is the absolute and only reason I'm alive.


I completely disagree that the Standard American Diet has anything to do with increased life expectancy. You got the public health measures correct, however.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_pattern_diet#Standard_American_Diet

Western pattern diet, based on epidemiological studies of Westerners, is positively correlated with an elevated incidence of obesity,[4] death from heart disease, cancer (especially colon cancer[5]), and other 'Western pattern diet' related diseases.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Life_expectancy_variation_over_time

Public health measures are credited with much of the recent increase in life expectancy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health

Promotion of hand washing and breastfeeding, delivery of vaccinations, and distribution of condoms to control the spread of sexually transmitted diseases are examples of common public health measures.

...From the beginnings of human civilization, it was recognized that polluted water and lack of proper waste disposal spread communicable diseases (theory of miasma).

...Other public health interventions include latrinization, the building of sewers, the regular collection of garbage followed by incineration or disposal in a landfill, providing clean water and draining standing water to prevent the breeding of mosquitoes. This contribution was made by Edwin Chadwick in 1843 who published a report on the sanitation of the working class population in Great Britain at the time. So began the inception of the modern public health. The industrial revolution had initially caused the spread of disease through large conurbations around workhouses and factories. These settlements were cramped and primitive and there was no organised sanitation. Disease was inevitable and its incubation in these areas was encouraged by the poor lifestyle of the inhabitants....

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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 5:11:50 AM   
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I will continue to make clear, not only is life expectancy far longer than it has ever been, indicative of a high quality diet and public health measures like vaccinations, modern medicine, including doctors, is the absolute and only reason I'm alive.


I completely disagree that the Standard American Diet has anything to do with increased life expectancy.

Then you need to explain away the facts.

People in the west are taller than ever before (indicative of very good nutrrition), defiency diseases are almost unheard of (despite all being common within the last 2 centuries) and most of the illnesses attributed to diet in the west are those associated with living beyond the "natural" life expectancy.

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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 5:20:41 AM   
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Everyone knows that some people get reactions after eating the food ingredient monosodium glutamate --reactions that include migraine headaches, upset stomach, fuzzy thinking, diarrhea, heart irregularities, asthma, and/or mood swings. What many don’t know, is that more than 40 different ingredients contain the chemical in monosodium glutamate (processed free glutamic acid) that causes these reactions. The following list of ingredients that contain processed free glutamic acid has been compiled over the last 20 years from consumers’ reports of adverse reactions and information provided by manufacturers and food technologists.

Names of ingredients that ALWAYS contain processed free glutamic acid:
Glutamic acid (E 620)2, Glutamate (E 620)
Monosodium glutamate (E 621)
Monopotassium glutamate (E 622)
Calcium glutamate (E 623)
Monoammonium glutamate (E 624)
Magnesium glutamate (E 625)
Natrium glutamate
Yeast extract
Anything “hydrolyzed”
Any “hydrolyzed protein”
Calcium caseinate, Sodium caseinate
Yeast food, Yeast nutrient
Autolyzed yeast
Gelatin
Textured protein
Soy protein, soy protein concentrate
Soy protein isolate
Whey protein, whey protein concentrate
Whey protein isolate
Anything “…protein”
Vetsin
Ajinomoto

Names of ingredients that OFTEN contain or produce processed free glutamic acid:
Carrageenan (E 407)
Bouillon and broth
Stock
Any “flavors” or “flavoring”
Maltodextrin
Citric acid, Citrate (E 330)
Anything “ultra-pasteurized”
Barley malt
Pectin (E 440)
Protease
Anything “enzyme modified”
Anything containing “enzymes”
Malt extract
Soy sauce
Soy sauce extract
Anything “protein fortified”
Anything “fermented”
Seasonings


The following are ingredients suspected of containing or creating sufficient processed free glutamic acid to serve as MSG-reaction triggers in HIGHLY SENSITIVE people:
Corn starch
Corn syrup
Modified food starch
Lipolyzed butter fat
Dextrose
Rice syrup
Brown rice syrup
Milk powder
Reduced fat milk (skim; 1%; 2%)
most things low fat or no fat
anything Enriched
anything Vitamin enriched

(1) Glutamic acid found in unadulterated protein does not cause adverse reactions. To cause adverse reactions, the glutamic acid must have been processed/manufactured or come from protein that has been fermented.
(2) E numbers are use in Europe in place of food additive names.

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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 5:26:30 AM   
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What people who have a store boughten education don't realize is that no staistic is prefect. Our life expectancy is higher because we don't die from things that would normally kill us. Sound funny ? Read.

In the old days you had kids going off to war, you had people even more barbaric than they are today, if you can fathom that. In that take an average. You got a village. Say you got 100 people. Well seventy of them died in battle at twelve to fifteen years old. How did they get an average life expectancy of a whopping thirty five years ? Well there are a couple of people who didn't get killed by disease, battle or some asshole who decided they don't like them. Those people lived alot longer than most think, longer than the life expectancy of today. This is because they had better nutrition, better water and better air.

They call for an emergency if your blood pressure is over 250 or so, but what of the past ? What of a warrior who fights in the field all day long with a sword and a shield ? What do you think his blood pressure is ? Sports today are lame, there are only a few that REALLY work out the body completely. Fighting for your life is generally not among them. And when Men do battle, they are not wearing BP monitors. Strokes are not caused by high blood pressure, they are caused by the body not being able to handle high blood pressure. Heart attacks are a different story, it's more like choking an organ of the body, and it basically causes a cramp.

What do you do when a drain clogs up ? Well if you went out from time to time and raped, pillaged and plundered and did battle, sword to sword and hand to hand, those pipes would be cleared up. But the problem is that someone else's sword just cut you in half. Sorry. You are now a statistic, dead at fourteen. Let's hope the old guy in the village lives another year, to make it to a hundred years old so we can keep our average life span up.

Think about it, all the old peole you have ever seen are old. I have seen them drinking whiskey and smoking Lucky Strikes, as they did for their entire lives. And many of them have NEVER seen a doctor. They are a dying breed. But it is time, for they are too old. You get into your nineties and I can almost guarantee that you won't give a shit. But some deficiency will get you  first these days. All these problems with the internal organs, 90% of them are caused directly by malnutrition. And what may surprise you, and this is my assettion - Overweight people are malnourished. I am not kidding. Their bodies do not get what they need, therefore they keep trying.

There is a whole lot to this. It would take months to bring it all together, just in text. I haven't seen it all by any means, but I have seen enough.

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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 5:58:02 AM   
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Then you need to explain away the facts. People in the west are taller than ever before (indicative of very good nutrrition), defiency diseases are almost unheard of (despite all being common within the last 2 centuries) and most of the illnesses attributed to diet in the west are those associated with living beyond the "natural" life expectancy.


I'd agree with you up until the present generation. Please cite sources, especially for the bolded part.

http://www.empowher.com/community/share/harvard-university-life-span-americans-decreasing
We've all been told that our children may be the first generation to NOT outlive their parents but the life span of the average American is decreasing anyway!

Especially those living in the Deep South, Appalachia, Texas, the southern part of the Mid West and the Mississippi River Valley have seen a decrease in longevity.

Doctors in these areas of the country are seeing high increases in cancer, diabetes and heart disease, and it seem to be increasing because of obesity, lack of education, and lack of health care, amongst other factors.

The research found that the lifespan of men has decreased 4% since the 1980s and by an INCREDIBLE 19% in women!

[I'm trying to find the original Harvard study]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Life_expectancy_variation_over_time
Regional variations

Economic circumstances may also affect life expectancy. For example, in the United Kingdom, life expectancy in the wealthiest areas is several years longer than in the poorest areas. This may reflect factors such as diet and lifestyle as well as access to medical care.

...In Glasgow the disparity is among the highest in the world with life expectancy for males in the heavily deprived Calton standing at 54 – 28 years less than in the affluent area of Lenzie, which is only eight kilometres away.[33][34]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calton,_Glasgow

A BBC Scotland news report on 13 February 2006 pointed out that, partially due to poor diet, crime, alcohol and drug abuse, life expectancy in Calton is lower than in some areas of Iraq or the Gaza Strip.

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I can't speak to Glasgow, but here in the US it's easier to get healthy food in affluent neighborhoods than poor.

http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Whole_Foods_Market_(WFMI)

To date, the organic movement has been confined to wealthier and more educated demographics. WFMI has been the segment’s pioneer and has made good use of the lead time by opening stores in affluent neighborhoods.

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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 6:50:56 AM   
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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 7:35:07 AM   
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Then you need to explain away the facts. People in the west are taller than ever before (indicative of very good nutrrition), defiency diseases are almost unheard of (despite all being common within the last 2 centuries) and most of the illnesses attributed to diet in the west are those associated with living beyond the "natural" life expectancy.


I'd agree with you up until the present generation. Please cite sources, especially for the bolded part.

This is really simple and straitforward.

Type 2 diabetes is a disease that occurs when the pancreas is effectively worn out. It takes many years for it to occur.

Cancers mostly occur in later life as the various and sundry damages to our cells genetic material accumulates.

Previous generations simply did not live long enough for these diseases to be common. We do now live that long so they are becoming more common.

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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 7:58:36 AM   
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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 10:13:59 AM   
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Type 2 diabetes is a disease that occurs when the pancreas is effectively worn out. It takes many years for it to occur.


The average age of Type 2 diabetes diagnosis is 46 years. That was in 2000. The average age at diagnosis has been trending downwards.


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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 10:25:13 AM   
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People in the west are taller than ever before (indicative of very good nutrition)

Nope, it is the consequence of vaccinations.

The downside is that since vaccinations started a couple of centuries ago there has been a sharp rise in previously scarcely known diseases. I do not wish polio, cholera or smallpox on anyone, but in principle I am opposed to vaccinations against any other disease.

On the other hand the fact that skull and brain sizes are much larger than in previous centuries does is a consequence of nutrition: they are larger because there is much more fat in modern brains.

Also our good nutrition causes many live threatening diseases, such as caries and diabetes II.

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deficiency diseases are almost unheard of (despite all being common within the last 2 centuries)

Scurvy, beri-beri and English disease are indeed scarcely unheard off. None of these improvements has anything to do with great medical advances.

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most of the illnesses attributed to diet in the west are those associated with living beyond the "natural" life expectancy.

The natural life expectancy is 90-95 years. However, many people lots younger - like me -do have (ultimately lethal) illnesses in which diet and especially food additives play a very important enabling and / or exacerbating role.

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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 11:36:25 AM   
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Type 2 diabetes is a disease that occurs when the pancreas is effectively worn out. It takes many years for it to occur.


The average age of Type 2 diabetes diagnosis is 46 years. That was in 2000. The average age at diagnosis has been trending downwards.



46 is well past the life expectancy as recently as 1900. People today don't like admitting it but what we call middle age is historically advanced old age for our species. It should be no surprise that our bodies fall apart after living so much longer than we evolved to live.

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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 11:56:04 AM   
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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 12:26:00 PM   
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^ why do you accept mediocrity when we have the best and the brightest here and could live to be 120 in full health. 

Because at this time that simply isn't possible. Take just one simple problem of living even a century, skin stops growing correctly. The Older you get the more poorly your skin grows. That's why older people have what is called thin skin and why it wrinkles and discolors. Your skin is major component of your immune system so as it degrades you are more prone to catching diseases as well as more injured by even minor trauma.

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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 11:40:26 PM   
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That is incorect. I did not say YOU are incorrect.

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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 11:45:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		"On the other hand the fact that skull and brain sizes are much larger than in previous centuries does is a consequence of nutrition: they are larger because there is much more fat in modern brains. "

Must resist.... must resist. Skull and brain sizes are larger, from what I see in the world you could've fooled me. But at least you explained it, people are fatheads.

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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/24/2011 11:47:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The average age of Type 2 diabetes diagnosis is 46 years. That was in 2000. The average age at diagnosis has been trending downwards. "

Yeah and I heard that your car engine will wear out real fast without oil.

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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/25/2011 3:47:59 AM   
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RE: Names and addresses of ingredients that contain pro... - 4/25/2011 3:55:32 AM   
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What people who have a store boughten education don't realize is that no statistic is prefect. Our life expectancy is higher because we don't die from things that would normally kill us. Sound funny ? Read.

In the old days you had kids going off to war, you had people even more barbaric than they are today, if you can fathom that. In that take an average. You got a village. Say you got 100 people. Well seventy of them died in battle at twelve to fifteen years old. How did they get an average life expectancy of a whopping thirty five years ? Well there are a couple of people who didn't get killed by disease, battle or some asshole who decided they don't like them. Those people lived a lot longer than most think, longer than the life expectancy of today. This is because they had better nutrition, better water and better air.

They call for an emergency if your blood pressure is over 250 or so, but what of the past ? What of a warrior who fights in the field all day long with a sword and a shield ? What do you think his blood pressure is ? Sports today are lame, there are only a few that REALLY work out the body completely. Fighting for your life is generally not among them. And when Men do battle, they are not wearing BP monitors. Strokes are not caused by high blood pressure, they are caused by the body not being able to handle high blood pressure. Heart attacks are a different story, it's more like choking an organ of the body, and it basically causes a cramp.

What do you do when a drain clogs up ? Well if you went out from time to time and raped, pillaged and plundered and did battle, sword to sword and hand to hand, those pipes would be cleared up. But the problem is that someone else's sword just cut you in half. Sorry. You are now a statistic, dead at fourteen. Let's hope the old guy in the village lives another year, to make it to a hundred years old so we can keep our average life span up.

Think about it, all the old peole you have ever seen are old. I have seen them drinking whiskey and smoking Lucky Strikes, as they did for their entire lives. And many of them have NEVER seen a doctor. They are a dying breed. But it is time, for they are too old. You get into your nineties and I can almost guarantee that you won't give a shit. But some deficiency will get you  first these days. All these problems with the internal organs, 90% of them are caused directly by malnutrition. And what may surprise you, and this is my assertion - Overweight people are malnourished. I am not kidding. Their bodies do not get what they need, therefore they keep trying.



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