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Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/14/2011 11:20:45 AM   
joether


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Status: offline 		I say 'Screw the Republicans' bullshit on NASA and the shuttle program. That program requires highly trained and educated people, creates solutions to problems (sometimes on the fly), and gives our nation alot of pride. But, because its expensive, Republicans are against it.

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If it were up to me, I would take money out of the Defense Budget and apply it to the Shuttle Program. One budget strictly for waging war becomes one that builds apon science/engineering and allows us to go to the final frontier. I fail to see the Republican 'logic' in all of this....
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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/14/2011 11:37:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		May I point out that the space shuttle has been retired and they are going with what appears to be a system that is an offshoot of the Apollo program.

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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/14/2011 11:57:25 AM   
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May I point out that the space shuttle has been retired and they are going with what appears to be a system that is an offshoot of the Apollo program.


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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/14/2011 12:14:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Considering the economic situation, it would be much better if the private sector got involved in the space program, maybe even as sponsors or investors.

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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/14/2011 12:24:59 PM   
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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/14/2011 12:43:34 PM   
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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/14/2011 12:47:35 PM   
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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/14/2011 1:03:24 PM   
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May I point out that the space shuttle has been retired and they are going with what appears to be a system that is an offshoot of the Apollo program.

They are retiring the shuttles at least 5y ears before they will have anything to replace them with.

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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/14/2011 1:43:22 PM   
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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/14/2011 2:07:54 PM   
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between the last apollo flight and first shuttle flight was six years

And that delay between the last Saturn launch and the first shuttle meant skylab sat empty for 5 years. I'd rather not see the ISS go that way.

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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/14/2011 2:31:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		We are not the only space agency supporting the ISS. Americans are going up on Russian craft to crew the space station.

During the first years of the shuttle program, there were various plans to replace the shuttle fleet with a space shuttle type craft that could actually achieve high earth or even moon orbit, but they never got off the drawing board, mostly for lack of funding.

The Orion system may not see full fruition due to lack of proper funding.

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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/15/2011 8:56:30 AM   
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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/15/2011 10:04:06 AM   
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It's about 100,000 light years from one side of our gallaxy to the other.
How would you keep an astronaut *alive* for that long?
Until we can figure out how to break the speed of light and by the 5th power at least, anything we're doing now isn't even child's play.

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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/15/2011 10:06:34 AM   
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I would take it out of what are evidently unlimited, lifetime, unemployment benefits.
Of course you would...that is one,of the many,reasons you are held in the regard you are held around here


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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/15/2011 10:09:38 AM   
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I would take it out of what are evidently unlimited, lifetime, unemployment benefits.
Of course you would...that is one,of the many,reasons you are held in the regard you are held around here




LOLOL!

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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/15/2011 10:13:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Space Shuttle never was meant as the main launch vehicle - it isn't a super heavy lifter like the Saturn IV which took astronauts to the moon, it was meant to supplement a heavy lifter vehicle. Also as we all well know it suffered two losses while the Saturn suffered none. Frankly it's retirement is probably going to be the best thing to happen for NASA for a while - which has been stuck with doing the space equivalent of moving a house using a small van...


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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/15/2011 10:37:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since the Saturn rocket did not include the command module you are technically correct. However once you add the command module to the Saturn rocket there was definitely loss of life. Also the comparison is bad because the shuttles logged many times the flight hours of the Saturn/Apollo equipment.

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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/15/2011 10:55:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just as an aside, there are two more chances to see the shuttles in action....



http://www.nasa.gov/missions/highlights/schedule.html

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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/15/2011 3:03:47 PM   
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Since the Saturn rocket did not include the command module you are technically correct. However once you add the command module to the Saturn rocket there was definitely loss of life. Also the comparison is bad because the shuttles logged many times the flight hours of the Saturn/Apollo equipment.


I'm comparing them yes, but I'm not venturing into the hypothetical of what if Saturn had as many launches as the Space Shuttle. I mean one point I made there was there would have been a lot less cost and launches if a super heavy lifter vehicle had been employed... If pointing out those fatalities like it some sort of fallacy in my logic pleases you then I have news - I'm talking about vehicle failures by mentioning the two shuttle losses, not a launch pad accident. I thought that would be quite obvious at least.

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RE: Find the Money For This Program.....Somewhere - 4/15/2011 3:09:24 PM   
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Since the Saturn rocket did not include the command module you are technically correct. However once you add the command module to the Saturn rocket there was definitely loss of life. Also the comparison is bad because the shuttles logged many times the flight hours of the Saturn/Apollo equipment.


I'm comparing them yes, but I'm not venturing into the hypothetical of what if Saturn had as many launches as the Space Shuttle. I mean one point I made there was there would have been a lot less cost and launches if a super heavy lifter vehicle had been employed... If pointing out those fatalities like it some sort of fallacy in my logic pleases you then I have news - I'm talking about vehicle failures by mentioning the two shuttle losses, not a launch pad accident. I thought that would be quite obvious at least.

And I'm telling you that the rate of failure of rockets like the Saturn's has been far higher than the STS. Compare the number of catstrophic failure in the Titan per launch or per flight hour to the STS.

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