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DomYngBlk -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 6:23:51 AM)

Are you saying you want to know what he is bleating about?



DarkSteven -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 9:53:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

There appears to be more than one legal school of thought on this subject.


That amazes me. After decades of passing laws, you'd think WI would know how to do it by now.



mnottertail -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 9:54:10 AM)

Yet there is only one school of legal thought that will graduate, this one is an early dropout.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 10:01:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

No, it is not. The law must be published officially to take effect. That publishing is in the Madison paper and is only done at the direction of the SofS.

The people who put the law on the web, the legislative reference bureau, doesn't even think they published it in a legal manner.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/118677754.html

Also I can think of no more certain way to find oneself brought up on contempt charges than to attempt to evade a judge's order.


Tell that to Obama.

Can anyone figure WTF wilbur is bleating about here?


If you had more memory cells, KenDoll, you would know. Obama has been in contempt of court over Obamacare implementation and the drilling moratorium.



tazzygirl -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 10:07:20 AM)

Huge difference between an appeal of a ruling on an existing law and implementing a law the courts told you not to implement until after a hearing.

Guess you wouldnt understand that.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 10:09:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Huge difference between an appeal of a ruling on an existing law and implementing a law the courts told you not to implement until after a hearing.

Guess you wouldnt understand that.


Contempt of court is contempt of court. Guess the law doesnt mean much to you when you suipport the one ignoring it.



mnottertail -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 10:16:25 AM)

How much has Walker saved Wisconsin, how he doin on that budget?

Seems the idea is to cost the state money with flimflammery and despotism and ideological harangues, but other than that he is a huge cunt.  Sort of covers em all though, don't it.

Yet not one of the rightist shithouse lawyers out here who advocated the momliness the godliness and the applepieliness of this instead of the opera bouffe it was (and it was recognized at the outset that it was) will admit to the wholesale illegal and pathetic ineptness of these nutsuckers swept into the states.



tazzygirl -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 10:30:37 AM)

There is an appeal process. Does not matter which sides supports or decries a law.. the appeal process still stands. Wisconsins was not a law. They were told by a court not to publish it until the court ruled. The Health Care Law was already in esistence. The Florida Judge stayed his own ruling. And Hudson, Virginia, only had issues with the mandate, which isnt to take effect until 2014. Both rulings are in the appeal process.

Hudson never found Obama in contempt.

In his order, U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson said he will allow the law to remain in effect while appeals are heard, meaning there is unlikely to be any immediate impact on other provisions that have already taken effect. The insurance coverage mandate is not scheduled to begin until 2014.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20101213/articles/101219903


A judge on Thursday put on hold his ruling that President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul was unconstitutional, allowing the White House to continue implementing the landmark legislation for now.

But U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson failed to dispel widespread uncertainty about the fate of the highly-politicized healthcare reform law. He gave the Obama administration seven days to ask an appeals court to quickly review his January 31 ruling and said the law could be declared void if it failed to meet the deadline.

The administration had said it would appeal the Florida judge's previous ruling. It had warned that the "sweeping nature" of the judgment posed a risk of "serious harm to many Americans" benefiting from the new law, the cornerstone of Obama's domestic agenda in his first two years in office.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/03/us-usa-healthcare-states-idUSTRE7225IH20110303

The Judges ruled they would allow the Health Care Law to continue. A Far cry from defying a court order.



DomKen -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 11:45:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

No, it is not. The law must be published officially to take effect. That publishing is in the Madison paper and is only done at the direction of the SofS.

The people who put the law on the web, the legislative reference bureau, doesn't even think they published it in a legal manner.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/118677754.html

Also I can think of no more certain way to find oneself brought up on contempt charges than to attempt to evade a judge's order.


Tell that to Obama.

Can anyone figure WTF wilbur is bleating about here?


If you had more memory cells, KenDoll, you would know. Obama has been in contempt of court over Obamacare implementation and the drilling moratorium.

I've just double checked, no judge has held Obama in contempt so once again wTF are you bleating about?



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 11:52:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

No, it is not. The law must be published officially to take effect. That publishing is in the Madison paper and is only done at the direction of the SofS.

The people who put the law on the web, the legislative reference bureau, doesn't even think they published it in a legal manner.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/118677754.html

Also I can think of no more certain way to find oneself brought up on contempt charges than to attempt to evade a judge's order.


Tell that to Obama.

Can anyone figure WTF wilbur is bleating about here?


If you had more memory cells, KenDoll, you would know. Obama has been in contempt of court over Obamacare implementation and the drilling moratorium.

I've just double checked, no judge has held Obama in contempt so once again wTF are you bleating about?


Yeah, I know. He has no authority over the Dept of the Interior. LMAO.



mnottertail -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 11:59:55 AM)

and the obamacare contempt? Nevertheless, Walker and those that support him and his shitsucking ineptitude, are contemptuous, and we don't need a judge to acertain that.



domiguy -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 2:46:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Huge difference between an appeal of a ruling on an existing law and implementing a law the courts told you not to implement until after a hearing.

Guess you wouldnt understand that.


Contempt of court is contempt of court. Guess the law doesnt mean much to you when you suipport the one ignoring it.



Said the 280 lb fetus.



tazzygirl -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 10:02:42 PM)

More interesting information. Seems the police and fire fighter union members have also filed suit against Walker's bill. Apparently that little exemption of the bill for them also makes them left on the hook for mandatory union dues, while the other union members have to pay only voluntary dues. Seems this one is headed to the State SC.



servantforuse -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/29/2011 5:22:03 AM)

The Walker administration has stopped collecting union dues from state employees. I have to wonder how many of these employees will still be 'pro union' when they start receiving larger paychecks ? How many, if any will voluntary pay money to the union ?



joether -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/29/2011 6:12:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
The Walker administration has stopped collecting union dues from state employees. I have to wonder how many of these employees will still be 'pro union' when they start receiving larger paychecks ? How many, if any will voluntary pay money to the union ?


This doesnt even make rational sense! The Union dues are collected from the individual's total compensation package (i.e. salary and benefits). The moment the goverment hands money to an individual Union member, its THEIR MONEY, not taxpayer money any further. According to that person's employment contract, a portion of that money is given to the Union. So, if Mr. Walker is witholding Union dues, he would be in effect, stealing from Union members, money that is no longer his to decide on (because it has already been given to the employee).

From what I understand of Wisconsin politics, I'm led to believe folks in Unions are even more motivated to give funds to the Unions that represent them to the state goverment. Since, removing collective bargaining, would remove many of the protections US Citizens rely on. They stand to lose considerably more ground by allowing someone that clearly doesnt represent their wishs, run operations.




servantforuse -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/29/2011 7:16:45 AM)

Until now, the state of Wisconsin was obligated to withhold union dues from paychecks and forward that money to da unions. These employees wil now get a paycheck with no dues being withheld. It will now be their choice with what they do with the raise they just received.



truckinslave -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/29/2011 7:21:00 AM)

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Seems the police and fire fighter union members have also filed suit against Walker's bill. Apparently that little exemption of the bill for them also makes them left on the hook for mandatory union dues


That's hilarious. Talk about "can't win for losin" "Damned if you do, damned if you don't also comes to mind" [:D]



housesub4you -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/29/2011 1:14:29 PM)

Well it seems the truth is coming out  It appears the whole Budget Savings was not the truth....Geee   Who knew

State Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R) has already revealed that the true motivation behind the bill was to defund unions to make it “much more difficult” for Democrats, including President Obama, to get elected in Wisconsin. Now, attempting to fend off efforts to recall eight of his Senate colleagues, he’s mailed out a fundraising letter that removes any doubt about the GOP’s motive:
“(Unions have) ruined California and Illinois, but they’re not going to ruin Wisconsin. “That is because Republicans faced down Big Labor’s bully tactics and a Democratic walk-out in the state Senate to break the power of unions like WEAC and AFSCME once and for all,” Fitzgerald said in his letter.

Gosh and here people thought it was about saving the state from being in debt, which they would not have been if Walker did not give over 250 million in tax breaks to big business 6 weeks before all this crap started




mnottertail -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/29/2011 1:16:51 PM)

Yeah, whats the budget shortfall now with all the lawsuits?  Guess they are gonna have to trim a few worthless nutsuckers out of the legislature.

Maybe, if these guys would have paid attention in school................... 



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/29/2011 4:59:54 PM)

Willbur, Trukin - you guys need to contact that judge in Wisconsin and let her know she got it wrong. Poor thing would undoubtedly benefit from your superior legal knowledge -

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MADISON, Wis. - A Wisconsin judge for the second time directed the state to put on hold an explosive law that strips most public workers of nearly all their union bargaining rights, ordering officials on Tuesday to follow her original instructions to stand down.

"Apparently that language was either misunderstood or ignored, but what I said was the further implementation of (the law) was enjoined," said a visibly annoyed Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi. "That is what I now want to make crystal clear."

Republican legislative leaders responded by directing the law be published by another state agency, and then declared it valid. State officials began implementing the law this weekend, stopping the collection of union dues for state workers and taking more from their pay for health care and retirement. Sumi said Tuesday that action violated her original order, and she made it clear after a daylong hearing that the law was on hold while she considers a broader challenge to its legality.


Jail The Cocksuckers



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