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Brain -> Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 1:46:33 PM)
I wonder what’s motivating Walker to behave so irrationally. Normally I would think it would be a higher authority or powerful person like the Koch brothers but it can’t be them because of the telephone call. It could be his own ambition to become president or maybe it’s pride because he can’t accept failing to get this law passed. I guess he thinks if he doesn’t succeed his political career will fizzle out. You would think he would think it through with other people and have a better plan to succeed. Not that she has a chance to win but I think this is the kind of crazy batshit behaviour I’d expect from Michelle Bachman if she ever won executive office. Hopefully this will end with this law being thrown out and Scott Walker being recalled – serves him right for the anguish he’s put many people through. Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It It’s obvious from recent events, including the Wisconsin Republicans attempting to intimidate a Professor who wrote a critical article about their actions for the New York Times by demanding his emails through the Wisconsin Open Records law, that the Republicans are desperate. Apparently they are so desperate that they are no longer trying to hide their agenda under the guise of a budget issue, let alone pretend what they are doing is legal. But what the Wisconsin Republicans have really done by publishing the anti-union bill is kill their own legislation. By publishing the bill, the Republicans have made it easier to fight in court, because it is now law and hence, can now be permanently overturned. It can and will be fought on all of the above grounds as well as countless others — amounting to a “tsunami of litigation” against the anti-union law. By publishing this bill, Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans remind Americans about the fatal flaw of the modern day Republican Party: It and its leaders lack judgment. The publishing of this bill which was now not only passed while violating state law but now published in violation of a court order smells vaguely but sickeningly of George W Bush’s arrogant invasion of a sovereign nation. Just as Bush refused to wait for the UN, Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans could not allow the process to play out properly. Instead, they went all rogue cowboy and reminded us why we swore we’d never vote Republican again. Republicans are great dictators, but they are terrible chess players. http://www.politicususa.com/en/scott-walker-kills-wisconsin-bill

servantforuse -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 2:02:06 PM)
Judge Sumi in her court ruling prevented the secretary of state from publishing the new bill. It didn't prevent anyone else from publishing the bill. It is now law.

DomKen -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 2:08:49 PM)
No, it is not. The law must be published officially to take effect. That publishing is in the Madison paper and is only done at the direction of the SofS. The people who put the law on the web, the legislative reference bureau, doesn't even think they published it in a legal manner. http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/118677754.html Also I can think of no more certain way to find oneself brought up on contempt charges than to attempt to evade a judge's order.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 2:34:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain I wonder what’s motivating Walker to behave so irrationally. Normally I would think it would be a higher authority or powerful person like the Koch brothers but it can’t be them because of the telephone call. It could be his own ambition to become president or maybe it’s pride because he can’t accept failing to get this law passed. I guess he thinks if he doesn’t succeed his political career will fizzle out. You would think he would think it through with other people and have a better plan to succeed. Not that she has a chance to win but I think this is the kind of crazy batshit behaviour I’d expect from Michelle Bachman if she ever won executive office. Hopefully this will end with this law being thrown out and Scott Walker being recalled – serves him right for the anguish he’s put many people through. Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It It’s obvious from recent events, including the Wisconsin Republicans attempting to intimidate a Professor who wrote a critical article about their actions for the New York Times by demanding his emails through the Wisconsin Open Records law, that the Republicans are desperate. Apparently they are so desperate that they are no longer trying to hide their agenda under the guise of a budget issue, let alone pretend what they are doing is legal. But what the Wisconsin Republicans have really done by publishing the anti-union bill is kill their own legislation. By publishing the bill, the Republicans have made it easier to fight in court, because it is now law and hence, can now be permanently overturned. It can and will be fought on all of the above grounds as well as countless others — amounting to a “tsunami of litigation” against the anti-union law. By publishing this bill, Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans remind Americans about the fatal flaw of the modern day Republican Party: It and its leaders lack judgment. The publishing of this bill which was now not only passed while violating state law but now published in violation of a court order smells vaguely but sickeningly of George W Bush’s arrogant invasion of a sovereign nation. Just as Bush refused to wait for the UN, Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans could not allow the process to play out properly. Instead, they went all rogue cowboy and reminded us why we swore we’d never vote Republican again. Republicans are great dictators, but they are terrible chess players. http://www.politicususa.com/en/scott-walker-kills-wisconsin-bill You need to learn how to put quotation marks around material that you are quoting; and indicate that you are quoting it. Otherwise it's Plagiarism. Not only that, but it's copyrighted material. You could possibly be putting the owners of CL on danger of being sued.

housesub4you -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 2:41:56 PM)
OMG Yes, someoneis going to sue because he cut and pasted a online news story Seems rather far fetching, but then again with the low dirty tricks the GOP has been pulling I'm sure it has come up to sue everyone (or at least issue a cease order for anyone re-posting news articles which make them look bad because they contain facts)

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 2:54:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: housesub4you OMG Yes, someoneis going to sue because he cut and pasted a online news story Seems rather far fetching, but then again with the low dirty tricks the GOP has been pulling I'm sure it has come up to sue everyone (or at least issue a cease order for anyone re-posting news articles which make them look bad because they contain facts) Note I said "possibly". Unlikely, but possible. I don't know what the GOP has to do with the owner of the copyright. At any rate, failure to attribute is most certainly Plagiarism, which may not be illegal, but is most certainly unethical. I feel reasonably sure Brain wants to act in an ethical manner. On topic, I hope that little weasel Walker has completely fucked himself. That will be one less immoral tool the Kochs are able to use to further their own ends of smashing the unions in the US. That's what this is untimately about.

Brain -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 3:16:24 PM)
I thought it was pretty obvious I didn't write it so I never expected anyone to think of it as plagiarism. I'll be watching more closely how other people post articles.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 3:22:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No, it is not. The law must be published officially to take effect. That publishing is in the Madison paper and is only done at the direction of the SofS. The people who put the law on the web, the legislative reference bureau, doesn't even think they published it in a legal manner. http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/118677754.html Also I can think of no more certain way to find oneself brought up on contempt charges than to attempt to evade a judge's order. That is exactly right. Here is the memo from the LRB clarifying that the act must be published by the SoS. Can we expect Servant to own up to being wrong? Hahahaha...http://thewheelerreport.com/releases/March11/0325/0325barcaatty.pdf

housesub4you -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 3:28:41 PM)
The link in your post was enough for me. But we have the grammmer police, so why not the plagiarism police.

Termyn8or -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 3:32:09 PM)
Is any wrong in this world the fault of tweedledems rather than tweedledublicans ? Let me remind you who appointed Janet Reno, who fucking CAUSED what happened on April 19th, 1995. ( in OKC remember ? ) T^T

DomKen -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 3:54:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Let me remind you who appointed Janet Reno, who fucking CAUSED what happened on April 19th, 1995. ( in OKC remember ? ) T^T You're full of shit.

rulemylife -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 3:59:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster quote: ORIGINAL: Brain I wonder what’s motivating Walker to behave so irrationally. Normally I would think it would be a higher authority or powerful person like the Koch brothers but it can’t be them because of the telephone call. It could be his own ambition to become president or maybe it’s pride because he can’t accept failing to get this law passed. I guess he thinks if he doesn’t succeed his political career will fizzle out. You would think he would think it through with other people and have a better plan to succeed. Not that she has a chance to win but I think this is the kind of crazy batshit behaviour I’d expect from Michelle Bachman if she ever won executive office. Hopefully this will end with this law being thrown out and Scott Walker being recalled – serves him right for the anguish he’s put many people through. Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It It’s obvious from recent events, including the Wisconsin Republicans attempting to intimidate a Professor who wrote a critical article about their actions for the New York Times by demanding his emails through the Wisconsin Open Records law, that the Republicans are desperate. Apparently they are so desperate that they are no longer trying to hide their agenda under the guise of a budget issue, let alone pretend what they are doing is legal. But what the Wisconsin Republicans have really done by publishing the anti-union bill is kill their own legislation. By publishing the bill, the Republicans have made it easier to fight in court, because it is now law and hence, can now be permanently overturned. It can and will be fought on all of the above grounds as well as countless others — amounting to a “tsunami of litigation” against the anti-union law. By publishing this bill, Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans remind Americans about the fatal flaw of the modern day Republican Party: It and its leaders lack judgment. The publishing of this bill which was now not only passed while violating state law but now published in violation of a court order smells vaguely but sickeningly of George W Bush’s arrogant invasion of a sovereign nation. Just as Bush refused to wait for the UN, Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans could not allow the process to play out properly. Instead, they went all rogue cowboy and reminded us why we swore we’d never vote Republican again. Republicans are great dictators, but they are terrible chess players. http://www.politicususa.com/en/scott-walker-kills-wisconsin-bill You need to learn how to put quotation marks around material that you are quoting; and indicate that you are quoting it. Otherwise it's Plagiarism. Not only that, but it's copyrighted material. You could possibly be putting the owners of CL on danger of being sued. This topic has come up before and it is not true. He posted a bold headline with a link at the bottom, so it was obvious that it was not any attempt at plagiarism. As far as anyone being sued, you would have to prove that someone made a direct profit from quoting the material, which is obviously not the case.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 4:14:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain I thought it was pretty obvious I didn't write it so I never expected anyone to think of it as plagiarism. I'll be watching more closely how other people post articles. It's not obvious at all. I could not find your first paragraph anywhere in the attributed article. Without actually reading the article, the reader naturally assumes that the first paragraph are your words. After the first paragraph, you emphasize "Scott Walker Kills His..." by using large text, but, since there are no quotation marks, the reader once again assumes these are your words, and you bolded it and used a large type size for emphasis. The reader has no way of knowing that this sentence is actually the Title of the article. Similarly, the text following the bolded title has no quotation marks. Unless the reader clicks on your HTML link at the end of the post, he has no way of knowing that those words are not yours. You provided a link at the end of your post, but there is no way to determine if there is any relation between the link and the rest of your post. A mandatory orientation class I took back in 89 at the U of Houston included using the library resources, and how to quote and attribute when writing papers. You can also find this info, IIRC, in The Elements of Style by Strunk and White. Here is an example: "Citation of another work; the direct words are enclosed in quotation marks." Joe Blow, "How I Write Shit", New Yorker, Dec. 2020 vol. XX pp 20-25 (or, in an online attribution, the hyperlink) Then I follow the quote and attribution with my comments. I occasionally cooment above the quoted material, followed by the citation and then the attribution. Parapharasing the above: Joe Blow said that when he cites a work, he puts direct words within quotation marks. A paraphrase does not require quotation marks. Do you follow?

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/26/2011 4:36:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: housesub4you The link in your post was enough for me. But we have the grammmer police, so why not the plagiarism police. Grammmer (sic) involves the proper use of language. Plagiarism is the passing off of another's work as one's own. The first is simply erroneous. The second is unethical. You evidently can't tell the difference. I'm guessing you think it's OK to steal an artist's work by illegally downloading it, too, is that right? "Plagiarism is theft of another person's writings or ideas. Generally, it occurs when someone steals expressions from another author's composition and makes them appear to be his own work. Plagiarism is not a legal term; however, it is often used in lawsuits. Courts recognize acts of plagiarism as violations of Copyright law, specifically as the theft of another person's Intellectual Property. Because copyright law allows a variety of creative works to be registered as the property of their owners, lawsuits alleging plagiarism can be based on the appropriation of any form of writing, music, and visual images." http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Plagiarism

truckinslave -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/27/2011 3:10:44 AM)
quote: By publishing the bill, the Republicans have made it easier to fight in court, because it is now law and hence, can now be permanently overturned. Do you ever think? According to the above sentence the only way to preserve/enforce/enact/keep the law is never to let it take effect. Someone needs to say no for a long time, let some sludge filter out so the synapses can fire.

truckinslave -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/27/2011 10:09:50 AM)
There appears to be more than one legal school of thought on this subject (of course; some fool judge even ordered the SecState not to publish it, but then again her son is/was a union lobbyist/goon. Go figure). Anyway, the state evidently considers the law to be in effect. Wis Dept. of Admin

DomKen -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/27/2011 12:50:55 PM)
Then the state is in contempt. From the TRO: quote: I do, therefore, restrain and enjoin the further implementation of 2011 Wisconsin Act 10 Trying to evade a judicial order is a quick way to get to spend a few nights in jail and pay a big fine.

tazzygirl -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/27/2011 10:46:14 PM)
Tomorrow should be an interesting day in Wisconsin. In other news about Wisconsin... its budget. quote: Another of Walker’s pieces of legislation, the budget repair bill, contains a provision that would deny prenatal care for undocumented pregnant women. The proposal has been met with criticism from both sides of the immigration debate. “This makes a mockery of anyone who claims to be pro-life, which is most of the so-called conservatives who are hostile towards undocumented immigrants,” Neumann-Ortiz said. And quote: In terms of eliminating the FoodShare program, which benefits legal immigrants who do not meet federal residency requirements, Walker said the growing cost of the program was unsustainable in the budget bill. Rep. Donald Pridemore, R-Hartford, who will introduce a bill this week giving police the right to ask for proof of residency from criminal suspects, said he supported these budgetary measures on philosophical grounds. “It’s not a question of how much money it’ll save us. It’s a question of principle. We shouldn’t be giving any taxpayer-funded benefits to people who have come to this country illegally,” Pridemore said. http://badgerherald.com/news/2011/03/27/undocumented_immigra.php So, in one case, they will be escalating costs by denying pregnant women pre-natal care. Talk about a nightmare for any hospital. And, the other, its a case of "starving people for a principle". How can either of these be justified?

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 1:19:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No, it is not. The law must be published officially to take effect. That publishing is in the Madison paper and is only done at the direction of the SofS. The people who put the law on the web, the legislative reference bureau, doesn't even think they published it in a legal manner. http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/118677754.html Also I can think of no more certain way to find oneself brought up on contempt charges than to attempt to evade a judge's order. Tell that to Obama.

DomKen -> RE: Scott Walker Kills His Wisconsin Union Busting Bill By Publishing It (3/28/2011 3:03:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No, it is not. The law must be published officially to take effect. That publishing is in the Madison paper and is only done at the direction of the SofS. The people who put the law on the web, the legislative reference bureau, doesn't even think they published it in a legal manner. http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/118677754.html Also I can think of no more certain way to find oneself brought up on contempt charges than to attempt to evade a judge's order. Tell that to Obama. Can anyone figure WTF wilbur is bleating about here?

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