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RE: Should the council spend £8m to rehome travellers ... - 3/23/2011 9:47:58 PM   
Marini


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Maybe you take my words as personal to you and yours, but my words are there to inform all that read, for I am DSS, and I have experienced much of what I write about and the rest, decent people I know and often converse with in a similar situation to myself. But of course it is not the private landlords fault, for they provide a service this country can not, for social housing is no longer available to most, least of all single males, for males without disability are at the bottom of the pile, no council points for anything, for we are forgotten about.

My place, I have just spent 500 or more and it's not finished yet, to redecorate the place for myself to live, as five years here now, the only change I can see, is the one's I make, for me to live a better life in anorther's home. Of course being ex trade, the improvements are to a higher standatrd than that which people pay for, for I have myself top please most, but should I vacate this studio flat I live in, the owner will find the place fully modernised and fit for any who come to see. That of course includes a hard wood floor through out, which I understand actually adds value to anyone's property. Now I am no trouyble to my landlord, but those around me who own their properties, the baby boomers mentioned before, I know they despise those who have to rent, for the owner is beyond their control, and how do I know this, for because those that look down their nose can often be heard back stabbing through paper thin walls, so despite trheir niceties face to face, I know they hate us for being poor.
DEEP!!!!
Speak your mind damn it!

I enjoy reading what you have to say Aneirin.
I often agree with you, but certainly not always!
I don't seek "yes men" in life {nor a crew that must agree with me or think like I do}, and I think you also enjoy chatting with others, that see the world "differently" than you do.

You certainly appear to be a person, that is able to take "the road less traveled" and I always enjoy seeing that!


I enjoy the way you "tell it like it is" and most of us can see, you often
speak from your heart.
I hope it's not true, that many across the pond "hate you for being poor", if so it speaks volumes of what is happening in our society, and what is yet to come.
It is sad, that often men and those without dependents get the least assistance, and that is also the case in the US.
I admire the way you are able to fend for yourself, live simply and often off the land.
You are a survivor, and you need to always be proud of yourself.
Hang in there Aneirin, you will always make it.

< Message edited by Marini -- 3/23/2011 9:58:06 PM >


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RE: Should the council spend £8m to rehome travellers ... - 3/23/2011 9:54:34 PM   
Marini


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Im guessing you would see it as a priorty if you lived next to it. The fact remains this is an illegal camp causing much distress to the local community.


yes but it isnt an illegal camp just since yesterday, is it?

I just feel it would not need to have a priority in the current situation UK is in. Trying to save millions in every councils at present, leading to cutting services for the disabled, elderly and youth clubs, etc...but then they have 8 million pound left for that, which will lead to further cuts in jobs and services...

And if I would live near it and it would bother me I would consider to move. Whilst this might not be an option for everyone I am sure it would be an option for some. Other folks also have to get used to it when green fields around their house get demolished to build a busy street through there.

So I am not against taking action, but I don't believe that this should be a priority in the current situation the UK is in....


Thank you for starting this thread, Phoenixpower.
This subject is fascinating, and please keep us updated!!!

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RE: Should the council spend £8m to rehome travellers ... - 3/26/2011 7:41:35 AM   
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It is sad, that often men and those without dependents get the least assistance, and that is also the case in the US.


Which is one example why I don't agree to spend so much money on that "problem" when demonstrations like today show that the government has much more worries to sort out at the moment as shown on the demonstration in london today:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110326/tuk-workers-to-march-in-spending-cuts-ba-45dbed5.html

The society ain't moving forward well when they keep people losing their jobs with acitivities like the one above which could still be dealt with at a later stage when the UK is in better shape again.

In my line of work people who take the care responsibility to look after a relative receive less and less help these days to look after themselves, such as receiving respite care (one example of many issues they have to deal with such as inadequate housing, unsuitable equipment etc), to enable them for some time out to "recharge their own energy" to continue to do the unpaid job they are doing, even worse help once that relative is an adult....leading at times families to collapse as the carer gets into depression and can't do it anymore leading the governnment to have to spend way more money as then the person has to be looked after either with more expensive carers coming in or worse with care provision within care homes. When the government doesnt get it to keep the people in need, such as carers, in a positon to be able to do their job, then their costs they have to face keep increasing...its that simple. It also means that councils then again increase their own criterias of when people are eligible to receive help leaving people who used to receive help not to receive help anymore, due to the change in eligibility criterias wich then makes them fall through the net despte that they have a very disabled child to look for which used to receive help for many years but the council having no other way to be able to trying to manage their budgets.

And then quite frankly I don't see the point to spend 8 million pounds on their "issue" when this country is in deeper shit at present and should IMO prioritise their workload accordingly...sometimes you simply can't do all the aspects which you want to tackle at the same time...

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RE: Should the council spend £8m to rehome travellers ... - 3/26/2011 7:52:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
It is sad, that often men and those without dependents get the least assistance, and that is also the case in the US.


Which is one example why I don't agree to spend so much money on that "problem" when demonstrations like today show that the government has much more worries to sort out at the moment as shown on the demonstration in london today:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110326/tuk-workers-to-march-in-spending-cuts-ba-45dbed5.html

The society ain't moving forward well when they keep people losing their jobs with acitivities like the one above which could still be dealt with at a later stage when the UK is in better shape again.

In my line of work people who take the care responsibility to look after a relative recelve less and less help these days in regards to respite care (one example of many issues they have to deal with such as inadequate housing, unsuitable equipment etc), to enable them for some time out to "recharge their own energy" to continue to do the unpaid job they are doing, even worse help once that relative is an adult....leading at times families to collapse as the carer gets into depression and can't do it anymore leading the governnment to have to spend way more money as then the person has to be looked after either with more expensive carers coming in or worse with car provision within care homes. When the government doesnt get it to keep the people in need, such as carers, in a positon to be able to do their job, then their costs they have to face keep increasing...its that simple.

What you have described is very common in the States also.
At the end of the day, "Who cares about the common man, and who is going to do anything about it?"
As most countries continue to slide downhill, I still say things will have to get much worse, until the "people" decide it is time for a change.
Except of course, the folks in the Middle East, they have already decided it is time for a change.

And then quite frankly I don't see the point to spend 8 million pounds on their "issue" when this country is in deeper shit at present and should IMO prioritise their workload accordingly...sometimes you simply can't do all the aspects which you want to tackle at the same time...


Keep it coming Phoenixpower!

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RE: Should the council spend £8m to rehome travellers ... - 3/26/2011 7:54:03 AM   
Phoenixpower


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ORIGINAL: Marini

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
It is sad, that often men and those without dependents get the least assistance, and that is also the case in the US.


Which is one example why I don't agree to spend so much money on that "problem" when demonstrations like today show that the government has much more worries to sort out at the moment as shown on the demonstration in london today:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110326/tuk-workers-to-march-in-spending-cuts-ba-45dbed5.html

The society ain't moving forward well when they keep people losing their jobs with acitivities like the one above which could still be dealt with at a later stage when the UK is in better shape again.

In my line of work people who take the care responsibility to look after a relative recelve less and less help these days in regards to respite care (one example of many issues they have to deal with such as inadequate housing, unsuitable equipment etc), to enable them for some time out to "recharge their own energy" to continue to do the unpaid job they are doing, even worse help once that relative is an adult....leading at times families to collapse as the carer gets into depression and can't do it anymore leading the governnment to have to spend way more money as then the person has to be looked after either with more expensive carers coming in or worse with car provision within care homes. When the government doesnt get it to keep the people in need, such as carers, in a positon to be able to do their job, then their costs they have to face keep increasing...its that simple.

What you have described is very common in the States also.
At the end of the day, "Who cares about the common man, and who is going to do anything about it?"
As most countries continue to slide downhill, I still say things will have to get much worse, until the "people" decide it is time for a change.
Except of course, the folks in the Middle East, they have already decided it is time for a change.

And then quite frankly I don't see the point to spend 8 million pounds on their "issue" when this country is in deeper shit at present and should IMO prioritise their workload accordingly...sometimes you simply can't do all the aspects which you want to tackle at the same time...


Keep it coming Phoenixpower!


Its just ridicoulus that they think it is ok to spend 8 million for that *snort*.

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RE: Should the council spend £8m to rehome travellers ... - 3/26/2011 1:06:47 PM   
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In this country, anyone that fails to comply with the official way of doing things come in for attack from the authorities because it is unable to control and there tax those that will not comply.

It's all down to money !

And one thought to the reason for such a high estimate to shift the travellers on, is the fact that the sum will, and has received public condemnation, but the authorities knew that and they always win, for they are spending our money to supposedly do something for us, which is more like persecuting those who will not comply with their system.

One thing this country does not want, is minnions that do not pay tax and sign themselves into the system via the various forms the rest of us feel we have to submit to sign away our freedom, and that of our children.

Every time you apply to government bodies for anything, you are handing over your rights, the travellers give their rights to no one.

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