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The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/12/2011 2:13:33 AM   
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Except for those who feel the need to call downloaders thieves, there is not much need to repond, except if there are questions. Legality is not the issue until it gets to court.

The RIAA I presume has not given up. I think they have finally realized just how gargantuan a task it would be to shut down filesharing on P2P, and now have regrouped. For those who know, the ones with older P2P softwaare (not crippleware) are still at it.

Well they have taken a new approach. They may not have given up on shutting the whole thing down, but that seems to be on the back burner now and they have a new strategy - if you can't beatem, joinem. Or so we are supposed to think.

What i s happening is that they now have the software and they participate, and are doing it in numbers. Now all these sources could concievaqbly be in one building, we have no way of knowing. They are simply sharing files. Nothing wrong with that right ?

Actually there isn't, and there wasn't before. They have been polluting the network for some time now, but a while back you could tell. I mean when the hottest movie out, which will be in theaters next week is available and it says "Full DVD rip dolby director's cut with outtakes in high def" and the file is 11KB, you knew damn well it wasn't the file. Most likely a virus. Easy.

But now they have changed strategy and have a superior method. They are peppering the network with a new type of file, and they are getting good at it. They are all different filesizes and everything, and they jibe with the content somewhat. On some you can tell if your software reports the bitrate of an MP3, but not always. When you see an MP3 file that does not report the bitrate, that's not what you want. But it's more than that even.

One going around is a series of different files of different sizes which are a recording of a female voice saying "This is an illegal MP3 download, please go to www. whatever dot com and....... Yeah right. You think Secret Crush is a bitch ? Who knows what this is.

What's more if you use Windows Media Player, unless you have the privacy set right, they know right where you are even if you didn't download the file. Do not run these on Media Player 10. Make sure they play in something like VLC first.

You see, I'm down to the point where I have to think for a week to remember one line out of a song, then google it and sift the results just to find out who did it. It gets even worse, how the hell do I put a guitar riff into a search string ? Can I hum a few bars into Google ? Fat chnce.

But now I am lookming for the extremely rare things, the obscure. Bitch all you want but no record store will ever have them. For example Montrose doing O Lucky Man. Gogle it and you can listen to it, but I don''t see how to buy it on the first page of results. Come on if it's a money game, I got money. Here's another one, John Entwistle 905. Same shit. If it were for sale you think they would tell you right ?

Well these files show up on P2P but they are all no good. I don't know what each of them can do, in light of the newer software, but they certainly don't play, at least what you want.

If your program has the option to sort by number of sources, they got sources. It's easy to get these files, that are not what you want. However they fucked up.

The naming convention is wrong. A valid file will have Artist Name - Title.MP3 and the bitrate should be shown. I believe the problem is that they generated all the filenames automatically, or possibly even that they are picking up the stream (which makes the P2P network work) and generating the file titles on the fly. It's always the same. Certain words in the search string are reversed.

I think that may be because in my particular case maybe, or everyone's, that they are not interpreting the data correctly, which is what causes the error. They can't really induce an error in the whole system, but they do apparently inadvertently in the filename.

What's more I'm sure they think they got the world by the balls right now, and I am pretty sure I can prove that they generate the filenames and provide results on the fly.

This is the result screen from a totally random search string :



You see the words complete, new album, live, original track and all that. There was no original track for xdefrrnygmju. There is no live xdefrrnygmju.

So this is how you tell. For now.

No doubt they will correct the problem eventually, but for now, why crash and burn ?

Mind you, don't get pissed off about this. What did you expect them to do ? I think it's going to be an interesting game myself, and one thing also comes to mind. If they are resorting to this, it's all the fuck they can do, because that's their money. If they would do more they would. Wouldn't you ?

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/12/2011 2:15:12 AM   
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Shit :






Also notice "crack" and "fixed".

That's all for now. I don't know what they'll do next, but I'll find out.

T^T

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/12/2011 2:24:11 AM   
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Tor is your friend, along with the best av program you can run. Of course, I ALWAYS pay for what I download, you know you do too!!!!!!

And peerblock!(used to be peerguardian)

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/12/2011 2:37:42 AM   
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The admins know about Tor?

Color me surprised, you savvy she-hooligans!


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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/12/2011 2:47:27 AM   
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Bittorrent ? Me scared of bittorrent.

I also don't see how torrent got to be a file extension. Maybe I should have a look at one of those files.

And, somewhere around I have some CDG files, and I would like to make CDG CDs out of them. I have one burner (out of what ten ?) that is capable but I lack the software.

Really, this is more a game to me. I'd like to know what they did to itunes to make them somehow incompatible in certain ways. If they're regular files in a protected directory (by user ID in the OS), apparently it must be made impossible to move them to a root directory. Reinstall the OS and take posession maybe ? I'd bet that won't work.

Like I said, it's a game, like a challenge now. I used to make and edit icons in a hex editor. Holy shit am I old.......Actually you should see the mad scientist icon I made, and I mean back in Windows 3.1, not even 3.11. Well actually the hex editor ran in DOS.

What a bunch of useless knowledge I have.

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/12/2011 2:49:50 AM   
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"What if your God... were a motherfucking DINOSAUR?! "

You mean she ain't ? There goes my Sunday.

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/12/2011 3:12:12 AM   
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quote:

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So this is how you tell. For now.


For now? That's been the case since around 2002, when they started that tactic. And you’ve only just noticed?

The solution is to just use comment/approved user torrent search engines. And/or user account sites.

And PeerBlock, of course.

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Mind you, don't get pissed off about this. What did you expect them to do ? I think it's going to be an interesting game myself, and one thing also comes to mind. If they are resorting to this, it's all the fuck they can do, because that's their money. If they would do more they would. Wouldn't you ?


No, I wouldn't. I'd have changed the billing and distribution model and have been raking it in via charging people reasonable sums to download the content they want. The industry is about 30 years behind the curve, and is losing billions as a result of their own stupidity.

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/12/2011 3:39:09 AM   
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Tor is not bittorrent. It is a wonderful contraption that bounces your ip from proxy to proxy so that it is hard to PINPOINT you. Then Peerblock helps keep you away from bad places on the internet(ie monitored).

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/12/2011 3:40:29 AM   
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Puts on Sgt Shultz face...I know nothing!!!

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/13/2011 12:16:17 AM   
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Actually I would prefer not to depend on a program. What I do is keep the watch myself. I've known about them salting for a long time, what is happening now is that they are getting better at it. The fact is that anything you search for is manufactured (supposedly) right away and presented, this is software, not a person. And they will get better at it, when they do I'll be on the motherfucker.

In the meantime, can anyone come up with a copy of Montrose - O Lucky Man or John Entwistle(Who) - 905 ? There are a few others, and there are a few that took me years to hit on. But those two don't seem to be coming. Forth.

Maybe on the next solar cycle.

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/13/2011 5:17:30 AM   
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you could also move to a country where downloading is legal.
works better then to, peerguardian..

and..before downloading..check rlslog.net
if it is there..it is real


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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/13/2011 5:23:37 AM   
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you could also move to a country where downloading is legal.



Have you seen the list of said countries?

Nooooooooo thank you :)

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works better then to, peerguardian..


PG isn't used anymore - the project has been moved to PeerBlock.

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and..before downloading..check rlslog.net
if it is there..it is real


Not necessarily.

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/13/2011 1:11:32 PM   
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Anyone who is still stupid enough at this juncture to use P2P or bit torrents deserves whatever shit is heaped upon them.

Usenet.

(sigh).



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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/13/2011 1:14:57 PM   
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lol most big usenet servers ( and news groups) in Europe are targetted now..or already closed.
They are as shitty as torrents, emule/edonkey. Just shut down some servers..or threaten people that index them.

Nothing is safe..and there is always a risk.

btw..the deserve remark was sad.




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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/13/2011 1:33:24 PM   
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If you are going to torrent files, you need to have a really good virus scanner, spyware scanner and firewall.  Actually you should have those anyway.

You also need to be aware of the details of how these things work.  The RIAA seems to be mostly staffed by lawyers thes days, not hackers.  It is fairly easy to determine when they've seeded a torrent with garbage.

Actually, you should stay away from any of the media players that isn't written by OSS hackers - Windows Media Player and QuickTime are filled with DRM-friendly malware.  VLC aka VideoLAN is very good and is cross platform.

Your best bet, of course, is to purchase legally available copies of the works you want.  There is no moral or ethical dilemma that way and it won't infect your hard drive.  Unless you buy stuff from Sony or EA Games - they've been known to put rootkits on their software.

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/13/2011 1:35:15 PM   
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Anyone who is still stupid enough at this juncture to use P2P or bit torrents deserves whatever shit is heaped upon them.

Usenet.

(sigh).


You're trying to appear knowledgeable on a topic you clearly don't know much about.

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/13/2011 4:13:52 PM   
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And trying to turn this into a moral issue, which was not the point.

And to address that once and for all, most of the stuff I download was in public domain at one time. I spent many thousands of dollars on CDs, albums and tapes, I DO have the rights to most of what I have.

And to me it IS a game in a way. I am down to the point now where I wish I could just hum a few bars into Google and...........

Like I said, they're doing this because it's all they can do. I know someone with a different approach. They just have a good soundcard and a digital audio recorder. That means they can get anything off of youtube or anywhere, and nobody can do a thing about it, there isn't even any way to "mark" the file or anything. Then another who takes requests for rare or import (not even import) albums or CDs. He produces the copy of the CD including artwork and charges half price. He keeps the original and gets what I guess you could call a sixteen bit discount. His collection is about four times mine, and nobody can do a thing about it, since he is in possesion of the originals.

However I am taking heed of the possibility that seeding is going to get worse. As time goes by they will get better and more malicious at it. They might find a way to damage VLC even. I've seen files that are supposedly audio that put on the VLC screen "Please use Windows Mediaplayer to play this file. Fat chance over here. DELETE !

I was thinking of setting up a recorder, either a standalone DVDR or DVR. I have this cute lil box that converts SVGA (many modes, almost all of them I think) to NTSC. What in the hell would they be able to do about that ? Copyguard is in the sync part of the signal, and I don't think it's passed on by the video card, so therefore will not be in the output of the convertor. (probably wouldn't be anyway since is has to generate it's own burst signal, and therefore sync)

So enjoy the golden age of rock and roll right now, because I can see it coming. The next planned hardware obsolescence is on the way. The corresponding software "upgrades" will no doubt make security tighter. Get it while it's hot.

T^T

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/13/2011 4:16:54 PM   
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So enjoy the golden age of rock and roll right now, because I can see it coming. The next planned hardware obsolescence is on the way. The corresponding software "upgrades" will no doubt make security tighter. Get it while it's hot.


You appear to have learnt precisely nothing from the last 30 years of technological advancements.

You should get a job with a music company Granddad.

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/13/2011 4:18:21 PM   
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Hmm. Interesting.

A friend of mine downloads films on P2P using Utorrent. It's only recently that he tried to download a film - The Way Back - only to find that it couldn't be found on his favourite torrent search engines, Isohunt and The Pirate Bay. What he did find on these sites, though, were scores of obviously fake files - with zero comments, sometimes many seeders but few or no leechers, uploaded by people whose names he didn't recognise. That *was* a new experience to my friend: a film newly out on DVD, that he can't download with utorrent.

One thing I love about the Internet, though, is that the 'powers that be' . . . usually aren't. That is, whatever scheme they come up with, various geeks will be able eventually to get around.

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RE: The network news (P2P downloading) - 3/13/2011 5:05:08 PM   
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"You appear to have learnt precisely nothing from the last 30 years of technological advancements."

Perhaps you could explain. I know my shit runs, and it runs the pants off most other people's shit, at least from what I've seen. I detest using other people's computers, it's seems like I am on a 486. My systems are quite "clean" considering what's been done. What are you getting at ?

"That *was* a new experience to my friend: a film newly out on DVD, that he can't download with utorrent."

I know people who do that. I don't because I am not a big movie fan. I've only gotten a couple of movies pre-release on P2P. What's more, if someone wants to make a stink about it I'll delete them and not lose a minute's sleep over it. But if you come for my high quality rip of "The Good, That Bad And The Ugly" you might find deadly force in use :-) Almost everything I want is not making them any money anyway.

In some cases, just for the hell of it I get a whole album or CD's tracks. Usually I only want maybe two tracks. And don't give me this $1.99 per song shit. Try a dime. Especially if I have to take the whole album to get one song, which I did many times for like twenty bucks, back when twenty bucks meant something. I was at the record store just about every week.

I was also at the stereo store about once a month, getting a better cassette deck or something. Before I even had a CD player, I could take two equalizers and a dynamic range expander and make a highly compressed FM broadcast sound just about like a CD. I know I didn't really restore the quality, that is impossible, but it sounded damn good. I used to set it up to record college radio stations on the reel to reel and go out barhopping or whatever, and in the morning see what I got.

And most of what I really want you can't buy anyway.

T^T

PS, next I think I will go after some selections from Radio Carolina, and that is not on the network. I think I have a way. I just want it because "they" don't want me to have it.

T^T

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