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Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 11:00:31 AM

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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/03/06/20110306maricopa-county-drop-inmates-suspected-in-us-illegally.html

In the past three years, the number of county-jail inmates whom deputies suspect of being in the country illegally has dropped by nearly 40 percent, from 16,337 in 2008 to 9,894 in 2010.

The trend in Maricopa County is at odds with a national trend that has shown an increase in deportations of undocumented immigrants in the same time frame. However, experts nationwide offered several explanations for the decrease and its seeming contradictions:

Courious what your thoughts are?

For those that don't know Maricopa is often referred to as it's own state here in AZ. it is the largest county in the state.

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 11:27:43 AM

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I'm a legal citizen and wouldn't set foot in Arapaio's little fiefdom either.

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 11:30:35 AM

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Yeah Joe is either loved or hated and I don't think there is any inbetween lol

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 11:33:55 AM

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In the past three years, the number of county-jail inmates whom deputies suspect of being in the country illegally has dropped by nearly 40 percent

So did you check what has happened to the economy of Maricopa county?

Getting rid of immigrants, legal or otherwise, is easy - all you have to do is torch the economy. Yeah, you'll get rid of most citizens, and the rest will be somewhere in the 19th century, but that's the way to separate the True Americans, devoted to the ways the Founding Fathers lived, without flush toilets.

But at least they had cholera and serious infant mortality! These are the real measures of culture.

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 12:00:37 PM

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In the past three years, the number of county-jail inmates whom deputies suspect of being in the country illegally has dropped by nearly 40 percent

So did you check what has happened to the economy of Maricopa county?

Getting rid of immigrants, legal or otherwise, is easy - all you have to do is torch the economy. Yeah, you'll get rid of most citizens, and the rest will be somewhere in the 19th century, but that's the way to separate the True Americans, devoted to the ways the Founding Fathers lived, without flush toilets.

But at least they had cholera and serious infant mortality! These are the real measures of culture.

Youve got it reversed. The economy tanked and the illegals left.

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 12:06:07 PM

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The economy tanked and the illegals left.

That's precisely what I suggested. Most counties have adult literacy classes if you need help.

So is this your plan, or just a happy accident for you?

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 12:08:30 PM

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So is this your plan, or just a happy accident for you?

Since the beneficial result could have happened without the economy tanking if we had someone in the WH who isn't running on empty, it is neither.

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 12:28:26 PM

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he beneficial result could have happened without the economy tanking if

Absolutely.   All you need to do is arm every citizen of Arizona, and send them to the border to establish continuous interlocking fields of fire, with fire support covering continuous obstacles from one end of the border to the other.   And since you really can't trust the leftists in CA, NM, or UT, you also need to cover those borders.

It's not the money, it's the principle of the thing.   We need to make sure everybody in the world knows that we will not only cut off our nose to spite our face repeatedly, but also kill any number of possibly swarthy women and children because we're scared to death of the very thought of Mexicans.

And we also need to show the world that we never think about the consequences of our actions.   Insanity is the clearly our most important cultural value, and essential to the American way of life.

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 12:29:17 PM

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In my opinion you get more flies with honey so I don't think it's the crackdown. It's hard to say if you're not familiar with the place but according to the article it's the following:

"Explanations for the decline in immigrants in Maricopa County jails generally break along political lines.

Immigration-enforcement advocates credit Arizona's track record of controversial legislation, including Senate Bill 1070, and vocal lawmen like Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio for creating an atmosphere that discourages illegal immigrants from staying in Maricopa County.

It seems like a local government's policies and its positions can cause a real drop in the illegal-immigration population," said Steven Camarota, director of research with the Center for Immigration Studies, a research institute that supports strict immigration enforcement. "With all those caveats of 'It's an imperfect measure,' it does seem that the decline in Arizona was much more manifest than elsewhere."

Immigrant-rights advocates, however, point to the economy as a key factor driving illegal immigrants out of Arizona, just as the recession led to a decline in undocumented immigrants around the nation.

Many also believe newer ICE programs such as Secure Communities play a role. The Secure Communities program shares information with the federal government on every suspect who is fingerprinted by a law-enforcement agency in Arizona, which could contribute to an overall increase in deportations from the state. These immigrants are caught by ICE before they are ever booked into county jail on state charges.

More than half of immigrants ICE has deported from Maricopa County through the Secure Communities program either did not commit any serious offenses or did not commit a criminal offense at all, according to the agency's data. ICE policies authorize the removal of those immigrants when resources are available.

"That's of course one of the huge critiques of Secure Communities: a number of people identified through the program have no criminal offense attached to their record, are not charged with any criminal offense or are eventually not convicted of a criminal offense," said Victoria Lopez of the American Civil Liberties Union in Arizona.

Lopez said that Secure Communities likely has contributed to the decline in county-jail bookings.
"Removals are still up, detentions are still up, there are no empty detention beds, immigration courts are at full-plus capacity on their immigration dockets," Lopez said. "It's not as if immigration enforcement is not happening."

Both sides agree, however, that no single factor could account for such a significant drop in the number of ICE detainers, or immigration-status checks, placed on Maricopa County inmates."

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 12:59:28 PM

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huge critiques of Secure Communities: a number of people identified through the program have no criminal offense attached to their record, are not charged with any criminal offense or are eventually not convicted of a criminal offense,"

Well, we're not trying to secure our communities against criminals, we're trying to secure them from dark-skinned people who talk funny.   Irrational fear is a basic value that many major religions can find common ground to share.

I'm sure all these things added together, and if you send cops and privateers out in the streets to hassle dark-skinned people who talk funny, that will drive some of them away too.

But there's no doubt in my mind that economics is the key issue. Make it profitable or unprofitable enough, and somebody will do anything.    Maricopa county is of course one of the most depressed places in the nation.    You would think that would be the time to limit counter-productive work, but who am I to say?

One of the threshold issues is recognizing that immigration is basically an economic issue - most objections are economic, and more importantly, all enforcement activities have a price.   At some point we need to ask, what is the point of diminishing returns, and how many billions of $$ do we want to pay to find and deport the last sanctimonious-assed Canadian?

Another thing I want to pitch here is elimination of 14th amendment citizenship, and honestly, it's for a very selfish reason. I would be a fucking multi-millionaire in no time if every American born here had to prove up citizenship thru their parents, and for that, I thank the Federation for American Immigration Reform, the KKK and all those other organizations for having my best interest at heart. And I'm sure I would enjoy meeting many of you hapless schlubs who would need my help.

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 2:20:25 PM

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Odd - I thought the issue was one of legality - as in, people coming into the country illegally - not the colour of their hair or how funny they speak. (I can say this because i am a legal resident and have an accent) :)

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 2:28:35 PM

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Odd - I thought the issue was one of legality - as in, people coming into the country illegally - not the colour of their hair or how funny they speak. (I can say this because i am a legal resident and have an accent) :)

Actually in Arizona it is the immigrants trying desperately to ethnically cleanse those who settled there first. The newer residents just couch it in terms of illegal immigrants.

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 2:31:21 PM

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immigrants trying desperately to ethnically cleanse those who settled there first

Yeah, I noticed the Mexicans are treating the Anglos pretty much like the Anglos treated the Apaches.

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 2:45:41 PM

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I thought the issue was one of legality - as in, people coming into the country illegally - not the colour of their hair or how funny they speak.

Not a chance.   The issue is finding somebody to blame - and preferably somebody who can't fight back - after the AZ economy goes in the tank.

You didn't see them complaining about Mexicans when they were building Maricopa county - oh, sure, they complained about actually *paying* them - the ungrateful little bastards should be working for the privilege of standing in our shadows.

But now that all the native Christians are out of work and pissed off, it's time to go hunting for Mexicans!   Legality is not something they'd know if the code were handed down on stone tablets.

Seriously, the AZ law was pretty damn clever and pretty onerous, because it (1) tracked the Federal law precisely, then (2) authorized every AZ cop to enforce the Federal law, and then (3) gave every AZ citizen standing to sue any AZ cop who they believed wasn't enforcing the law!

You can imagine why the cops didn't particularly like that - it's more open season on the police budget, than open season on Mexicans.    And the fact is that a person's status is not apparent from their appearance, and the only solution would be for every person in AZ to carry ID for anybody who wants to ask.      Basically, it put the AZ bureaucracy in the expensive position of duplicating the Federal bureaucracy.

IMHO, the matter is one of reasonableness with few bright lines.

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 3:48:14 PM

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Jack

1. The law has nothing to do with race, unless race includes law breakers as a race.
2. Do you have any imperical (you know the legal kind) that it has to do with the color of skin or is it about law breakers?
3. What does any of this have to do with the price of rice in China? The post was for comments about why or why not, not some BS about the color of skin, unless that is your argument someway or another and then I don't understand what the color of one's skin has to do with the numbers of law breakers declining has to do with anything.

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 4:55:58 PM

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You're going to have to get a whole lot more coherent if you want any kind of answer.

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 4:57:40 PM

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You're going to have to get a whole lot more coherent if you want any kind of answer.

Then let me translate Ken's post for you:

Jack, Fuck you and every other asshole who play the race card whenever someone is concerned about illegal aliens.

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 4:59:51 PM

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ROFLMAO Now Wilbur Be nice. it isn't his fault. ROFLMAO

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 5:01:46 PM

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ROFLMAO Now Wilbur Be nice. it isn't his fault. ROFLMAO

I assume I caught the essence of your post. Feel free to correct!

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RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens - 3/9/2011 5:07:13 PM

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ROFLMAO yeah that about got it. Much less typing too ROFLACGU

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