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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 1:08:08 PM

jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I don't think that one even qualifies as a myth, to be honest. It's obviously horseshit, just like the assumption that all reactionaries are pro gun.

Okay, Urban Legend then.

Actually, when you consider specific areas, you will find that there are gun control supporters on both sides of the line.

Back to the point I was trying to make, I am a liberal that has some specific beliefs in specific matters.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 1:17:52 PM

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I'm always a bit puzzled that anybody thinks that the gun issue is going to break down neatly along party lines like that: a lot of you people are mad keen on guns however you lean politically. Probably more from watching westerns as a kid than history (the old west was notoriously full of advocates for gun control like Wyatt Earp) but there's a mystique about the things there that we just don't have in Europe.

Point taken, though. Isn't that part of the reason the "liberal"* Democrats are so ineffectual? They're less homegenous and inclined to goosestep along in unison than the other bunch...

*(I know they ain't. You know they ain't. But try telling Sanity or Truckinslave that...)

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 2:34:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Point taken, though. Isn't that part of the reason the "liberal"* Democrats are so ineffectual? They're less homegenous and inclined to goosestep along in unison than the other bunch...

*(I know they ain't. You know they ain't. But try telling Sanity or Truckinslave that...)

Try telling Sanity or Truckinslave anything that disagrees with something that came out of the mouth of some Right wing talking head or Republican political idiot.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 3:44:30 PM

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best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter

While the best argument for preventive detention is any one of your posts.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 3:46:01 PM

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maybe I am a conservative liberal?

Maybe you should forswear labels.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 3:58:23 PM

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I believe in the right to keep firearms..

Does it make you uneasy to see an armed man launch into a frenzied spittle-launching argument that there is no difference between a gun and a car, or a knife, or a book, or an idiot?

Sort of sounds to me like a fellow who is insisting on his right to delusions, and while I agree he has the right to be deluded, he can't testify or vote while drunk or otherwise incompetent, and I don't think it's a good idea for a drunk, incompetent or delusional man to be armed.

The debate is a political & social distraction from much more serious issues. Having learned to use weapons primarily with Uncle Sam's Misguided Children, I tend to be exacting about their use. People joking around with a weapon in their hand is not my idea of humor. See a few people messed up because some idiot wasn't alert or using their head, and see if you don't get a stick up your ass about it.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 4:43:09 PM

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You arent a liberal, youre a leftist.

Most leftists quit calling themselves "Liberals" a very long time ago after they made the term "Liberal" mean someone universally hated (for all practical purposes).

So try to get it straight. First you were Communists, then Liberals after the Communists committed all those mass murders. Now youre Progressives, until everyone starts hating Progressives.

Next you will probably be calling yourselves Utopians.

Give it up already, its a failed ideology, everyone knows that but you and putting lipstick on it wont help.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 4:57:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Or a liberal conservative?

We have them over here...... currently sharing management of the UK PLC.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 5:05:47 PM

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Nobody is a better poster child for ignorant backwoods drooling-mouth illiteracy than Sanity. I have him on hide, so I have no idea what he babbles, but I do know that it isn't worth my time. There's a tale, from the Darwin Awards, of a small group of drunken Poles (or perhaps Lithuanians, I don't recall which) who were exceedingly drunk, and in possession of chainsaws, betting each other who was the most courageous. The winner cut his own head off with his chainsaw. Sanity would do well to emulate him.

I'm not pro-gun, and I'm not anti-gun. Uncle Sam taught me to shoot, and I used to pop tree trunks with a 7.62 I borrowed from my ex father-in-law when I was in my 20s. But I don't hunt, and I've never been so fearful that I felt a need to arm myself against "them". I'm indifferent.

But that's not what this thread is about. It's about what a Liberal truly is, and is not. And as the definitions spanning 150 years demonstrate, Liberalism is all about FREEDOM, and how to maximize such. And we Liberals believe in the judicious use of government to prevent exactly what is occuring now, the abandonment of regulation in favor of the rule of small gangs of rich Nobles who have gathered together in the form of "corporations" in order to enrich themselves at the expense of people who actually work for a living.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 5:39:16 PM

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you were Communists,

You'd be clean lost without labels, wouldn't you?

That's why republicans think government is incompetent - they have no personal imagination of honest or useful work.   They don't have the focus or interest in anything but a label.

After TARP, I don't want to hear about incompetent government.   That's like the coal scuttle calling the bedsheet black.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 6:21:14 PM

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Yeah right, you have me on ignore because I make leftist droolers like you burst blood vessels.

You freaks arent about freedom, youre about freebies. Free food stamps, free medical care, free housing, free anything you losers can leech without having get your lazy stoned hippy bum asses out of bed and going to work.

How is that free, being totally dependent on the government to feed you your cheeseburgers, burp you, wipe your ass and then put you to bed.

He who pays your bills OWNS you, bottom line.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 6:30:16 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVCtkzIXYzQ&playnext=1&list=PL7E2643AE5896243F

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 6:36:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Yeah right, you have me on ignore because I make leftist droolers like you burst blood vessels.

You freaks arent about freedom, youre about freebies. Free food stamps, free medical care, free housing, free anything you losers can leech without having get your lazy stoned hippy bum asses out of bed and going to work.

How is that free, being totally dependent on the government to feed you your cheeseburgers, burp you, wipe your ass and then put you to bed.

He who pays your bills OWNS you, bottom line.

Okay, so some guy that worked fifty plus years and is on social security and medicare is a freeloader.

Sanity, you have a problem, and electroshock therapy may be the only thing to help you.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 6:36:42 PM

Hippiekinkster

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Yeah right, you have me on ignore because I make leftist droolers like you burst blood vessels.

You freaks arent about freedom, youre about freebies. Free food stamps, free medical care, free housing, free anything you losers can leech without having get your lazy stoned hippy bum asses out of bed and going to work.

How is that free, being totally dependent on the government to feed you your cheeseburgers, burp you, wipe your ass and then put you to bed.

He who pays your bills OWNS you, bottom line.

I took you off hide just to see what moronic shit you would post. I am not disappointed.

I own my own house free and clear, paid for by the sweat of remodeling, renting, and then selling houses (and I laid my own tile and hardwood flooring, did my own roofing, mounted my own cabinets, did my onw landscaping, and all else except that which needed to be done by a licensed pro to pass inspections). I have never had food stamps. I have never had unemployment. I paid my way through college by pumping gas, tutoring chemistry and calculus, and working as a lab asasistant. I pay for my own health insurance. I have worked since the age of 15. I have never had any type of government assistance.

So I'll ask you very nicely, Sanity. Do humanity a favor, and get drunk, take a chainsaw, and cut your worthless head off, because you are using valuable oxygen.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 7:08:01 PM

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who pays your bills OWNS you,

So do you own Wall Street? I kinda fuckin doubt it.

You've been ripped off by your esteemed leaders again, I guess.

But hey, that's your fault. I'm not the drooling-ass masochist here.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 7:11:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

He who pays your bills OWNS you, bottom line.

And I probably pay your bills

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 7:18:35 PM

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totally dependent on the government to feed you your cheeseburgers, burp you, wipe your ass and then put you to bed

yeah, Bn staff used to do that for us all the time, just as I did for my section chiefs. I admit, Uncle Sam's Misguided Children are the biggest buncha communists there ever was. Total dependence on the gummint, and they gave us everything we ever wanted, except we were sometimes short on ammo, and usually short on pussy.

I could tell you pull your head out of your ass, but you'd be pretty much lost then, wouldn't you?

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 7:49:24 PM

Sanity

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Heh... dont blow a vessel old man.

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

I took you off hide just to see what moronic shit you would post. I am not disappointed.

I own my own house free and clear, paid for by the sweat of remodeling, renting, and then selling houses (and I laid my own tile and hardwood flooring, did my own roofing, mounted my own cabinets, did my onw landscaping, and all else except that which needed to be done by a licensed pro to pass inspections). I have never had food stamps. I have never had unemployment. I paid my way through college by pumping gas, tutoring chemistry and calculus, and working as a lab asasistant. I pay for my own health insurance. I have worked since the age of 15. I have never had any type of government assistance.

So I'll ask you very nicely, Sanity. Do humanity a favor, and get drunk, take a chainsaw, and cut your worthless head off, because you are using valuable oxygen.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 10:26:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The problem is that I call myself a liberal but I believe in the right to keep firearms...

maybe I am a conservative liberal?

JLF, there's plenty of liberal Democrats here in S. Carolina who come out of the woodwork on "opening day" for deer season.
There shouldn't be any "buts" about it.
I don't mind "liberals" it's those goose-stepping, nasty, vile leftists that I don't like.
And, you'd be *very* hard pressed to find a liberal in this state who is "against" the second amendment!
Hunting and shooting is a "religion", a custom and a way of life in S. Carolina as it is in all Southern states. (And don't get them going on fishin, that'll be a two hour conversation.)
I guess the Southern liberals/Democrats are "differant" from the ones in N.Y. or Mass.

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RE: I am a defiantly unabashed Liberal..,. - 3/7/2011 10:40:37 PM

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Keep that up pops and i may start a flirtation with you.

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