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Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1 day... - 3/4/2011 2:07:35 PM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		The Washington Hospital Center is one of the largest and most prestigious hospitals in the Washington Metropolitan area.

It is no small thing, that many of the nurses decided to go on strike today.
Issues involving: wages, benefits, STAFFING and PATIENT SAFETY.

I don't know about you, but when nurses feel they have staffing issues and are worried about the quality of care and patient safety, I am glad they went on strike.

Yes, these are Union issues and I do support the nurses.

Washington Hospital Center's 1 day strike

Kaiser LA nurses went on strike this week, also.

Kaiser Nurses on strike March 3, 2011 in LA

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 2:16:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is why some professions should never be allowed to unionize. If my relative died at that hospital the ink would not be dry on the death certificate before I filed the wrongful death lawsuit. A nurses strike is possibly more dangerous than a police strike.

BTW, from your site: Even with the cuts to shift differentials, Orlowski said, the nurses are among the highest paid in the metropolitan area. In 2009, the average nurse at the hospital center earned about $93,000, she said.

My wife teaches nursing.... don't even try to tell me how difficult the education required is, etc. Don't even try.

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 2:28:25 PM   
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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 2:40:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

My wife teaches nursing.... don't even try to tell me how difficult the education required is, etc. Don't even try.


This is too easy.
I think, the education required is difficult.

Seriously, if the nurses have issues with staffing and patient safety, so do I.

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 2:54:53 PM   
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I think, the education required is difficult.


I don't think, I know it isn't. I pass most of he tests without any preparation.

Union "staffing issues" invariably amount to a desire for featherbedding.
"Patient safety" is probably more featherbedding.

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 2:58:47 PM   
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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 2:59:34 PM   
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I don't care if the nurses are making 1 million dollars, if they are understaffed and the ratio of R.N.'s to patients is too LOW, the Registered Nurse, can't do a good job of monitoring and taking care of my medical needs.

Maybe you don't care if the nurses taking care of you are overwhelmed, overworked, and overloaded, but I do.

If the nurses say, staffing and patient safety are issues, I am on the nurse's side.

Since you passed all the exams, you can take care of yourself in the hospital, and reduce the nurse's caseload.
Cheers!

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 3:03:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
I don't think, I know it isn't. I pass most of he tests without any preparation.


Some of the tests you may not excel in would be like spelling myocardial infarction, for instance.  That might be where the issues lie between the laity and those who actually do save the lives. 

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 3:08:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		WHC: “Staffing, which is robust at Washington Hospital Center, has not been an area of dispute between the parties in any of the federally supervised sessions.” Staffing concerns seem to be window dressing for a gullible public.

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f the nurses say, staffing and patient safety are issues, I am on the nurse's side.

Doesn't all that jerking hurt your knees?

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 3:10:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

WHC: “Staffing, which is robust at Washington Hospital Center, has not been an area of dispute between the parties in any of the federally supervised sessions.” Staffing concerns seem to be window dressing for a gullible public.

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f the nurses say, staffing and patient safety are issues, I am on the nurse's side.

Doesn't all that jerking hurt your knees?


Patient safety one of the key issues of the strike

Not at all, still on the nurse's at WHC side.


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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 3:12:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

I think, the education required is difficult.


I don't think, I know it isn't. I pass most of he tests without any preparation.

Union "staffing issues" invariably amount to a desire for featherbedding.
"Patient safety" is probably more featherbedding.


Why are you taking nursing tests unless you're a nurse? Maybe I'm wrong, but your post certainly gave me the impression that you take medical licensing tests for FUN. And isn't it nice that you can tell us all how well you did without any proof, whatsoever, that you know the first thing about nursing?

Nursing, like a couple of other professions full of highly educated women, are frequently presented as if they are window dressing for the "real" professionals. Yet, I've had nurse practictioners whom I've requested again and again for basic health check ups and advice because they are willing to take more time with me as a patient and to actually explain options, medications, etc.

If a qualified, bona fide nurse tells me she (or he) has a reason to strike, that is all that needs to be said. Something is wrong in medicine if the true foot soldiers say it is.

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 3:13:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nah, it's mostly physical procedures (Some of which are as simple as "which way should you turn when...." but pretty counterintuitive to me) that give me fits.
First I've heard that faulty spelling by nurses is a big issue. I'll have to tell my wife. To my knowledge nurses aren't even tested on spelling. Thanks, mn.

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 3:17:22 PM   
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you take medical licensing tests for FUN.


Nope. Just the ones my wife gives her classes, not state boards.
I agree with you that nurse practitioners are okay for "basic health check ups and advice " but anything more than that, please believe me, you want a doctor.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 3:50:46 PM   
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Since you passed all the exams, you can take care of yourself in the hospital, and reduce the nurse's caseload.


I did not say all, and wouldn't feel confident about passing state board exams without something like a two-week cram course/

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 10:33:57 PM   
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I did not say all, and wouldn't feel confident about passing state board exams without something like a two-week cram course/


Who the hell are you fooling? What does your wife teach, bursing assistants? Do you realize how belittling and demeaning that is to your wife?

You do realize the boards only tests basic, safe nursing practices. Then again, I doubt you do.

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 10:53:16 PM   
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BTW, from your site: Even with the cuts to shift differentials, Orlowski said, the nurses are among the highest paid in the metropolitan area. In 2009, the average nurse at the hospital center earned about $93,000, she said.


The hospital says entry-level nurses earn about $57,000 a year and experienced nurses earn about $98,000. The union says average pay is about $37 an hour, so a typical 36-hour workweek would bring in about $70,000 a year.

You couldnt even get that right.

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WHC: “Staffing, which is robust at Washington Hospital Center, has not been an area of dispute between the parties in any of the federally supervised sessions.” Staffing concerns seem to be window dressing for a gullible public.


They have been in talks for a year now. If staffing wasnt a concern, why are they admitting to increased hiring?

On staffing, the hospital has said it is committed to the strongest nurse staffing models and has hired several hundred nurses during the past year. But the union says the hospital's actions are not enough to address high turnover.

The union has said that unsafe staffing levels have jeopardized patient safety, a charge hospital officials have denied.

The hospital relies on nurse-patient ratio guidelines that vary by unit and time of day. Nurses say their units are not always able to provide enough nurses to meet those guidelines.

As far as our lawsuit goes.. it wouldnt.

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To help care for patients, hospital officials flew in 600 temporary nurses from around the country, housed them in area hotels and bused them to the Northwest Washington facility.


The hospitals always call in temp workers when nurses strike.

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 10:57:03 PM   
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I have major issues with nurses going on strike. Normally, I am completely against it, no matter the reason.

However, this case has been ongoing for a year now. The nurses decided to strike for a day. It will cost them 5 more days before they can return to work. Thats the breaks, and the consequences of actions. The fact that 200 nurses crossed the line... that is nurses who worked for the hospital and not temps...

I dont know. It looks bad on both sides.

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 10:59:47 PM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		It does look bad on both sides, but who wants a nurse taking care of them in the hospital who is understaffed and overloaded?

I have had issues with this for years.

How long does the average nurse spend with a patient in the hospital these days?
A few minutes at best.

Too much paperwork encroaches on patient care

Paperwork vs. patients

Do nurses have the time?

If nothing else, strikes make some people take a look at what responsibilities nurses have in hospitals, and now they know why they often rarely see "the nurse" when they are in the hospital.

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/4/2011 11:10:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		From their own link... 732 admissions... guess how long it takes to do a proper admission assessment? Hint... at least two hours.

151 ER visits

9 Deliveries... Oh yeah, it only takes minutes for those. Then the mom is in recovery, and baby is in NBN. Deliveries are labor intensive.

In a 926 bed facility. Another labor intensive department.

The two above typically do not float out of their units. The problems are typically medical, surgical. rehab and geriatric floors.

Im waiting on the idiot who comes back with... "Thats only three patients per nurse" BS.

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RE: Union Nurses at Washington Hospital Center launch 1... - 3/5/2011 6:51:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I worked in the hospital 20 yrs ago as a respiratory therapist and a nurse for 5 yrs before that.  I left nursing then because of there not being enough nurses to properly care for the amount of people their workload carried.  It's not a good feeling going home after your shift, knowing you left Mr So &So unattended to something he wanted because you had to prioritize and put your attention to a more important matter/patient.  It's heartbreaking and you feel like a failure, knowing you didn't have time to do this, that, or whatever because you were too busy and had to attend to things that simply could not go without your attention to the matter. 

And how would anyone feel (trucknslave included) knowing his child...or his wife...or his loved one, was placed on a back burner when they were sick and in the hospital because their personal needs werent met because the nurse attending them had too much to do and she prioritized and said to herself..."They'll have to wait or go without...or maybe an aide will have time to do it"

I hated...simply hated going home with those feelings and couldnt go to sleeep thinking about the people I put off for more important reasons.  Now 20+ years later it still goes on...only now...with the economy worse.  You can't admit patients to hospitals that have no nurses, which gives them collective bargaining power to make the administrators listen to them and negotiate with them.  Its safer for the patients and saner for the nurses.

Anyone who's worked in healthcare knows that.  Anyone who spews "This is what happens when you give a certain group the power of a union to stand behind"...especially when healthcare is involved (and I'd imagine other detrimentals to fire, police, etc, are the same).  Standards deteriorate. People are reduced to "its"...or "burdens"...not people. 


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