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ThatDamnedPanda -> South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 9:42:58 AM)
quote: A law under consideration in South Dakota would expand the definition of "justifiable homicide" to include killings that are intended to prevent harm to a fetus—a move that could make it legal to kill doctors who perform abortions. Anyone want to question again why I hate the republican Party? Anyway want to ask me again why I hate christian fundamentalism? Anyone still wonder why I equate conservatism and religious fundamentalism with mental illness? Next Up - Burning Women Who Own Too Many Cats

WhiteRae -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 10:54:14 AM)
There's nothing wrong with the republican party. There's a problem with crazy fundamental christian groups.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:13:05 AM)
But it's the Republican Party that incorporates the lunacy of these crazy fundamentalist religious groups into their legislative agenda.

Sanity -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:18:56 AM)
Uh huh... [image]http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/march162008/obam_wright_350.jpg[/image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda But it's the Republican Party that incorporates the lunacy of these crazy fundamentalist religious groups into their legislative agenda.

Aylee -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:24:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: A law under consideration in South Dakota would expand the definition of "justifiable homicide" to include killings that are intended to prevent harm to a fetus—a move that could make it legal to kill doctors who perform abortions. Anyone want to question again why I hate the republican Party? Anyway want to ask me again why I hate christian fundamentalism? Anyone still wonder why I equate conservatism and religious fundamentalism with mental illness? Next Up - Burning Women Who Own Too Many Cats IIRC your logical fallacy is called "slippery slope." Besides, SD would have to have some abortion doctors before they could be murdered. However, attacking a pregnant woman is an illegal activity. An abortion is a legal activity. Do you see the difference?

Hillwilliam -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:25:24 AM)
Science flew men to the moon. Religion flew men into the side of buildings.

jlf1961 -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:27:35 AM)
Isnt there already a thread on this topic?

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:27:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee IIRC your logical fallacy is called "slippery slope." Besides, SD would have to have some abortion doctors before they could be murdered. However, attacking a pregnant woman is an illegal activity. An abortion is a legal activity. Do you see the difference? I see the difference, yes, but I'm afraid I don't see the point you're making.

TheHeretic -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:30:30 AM)
Sure, Panda. But how far do they get with this stuff in our system of checks and balances? What some Republicans pander to, and sometimes embrace wholeheartedly, is clearly going to be slapped down by the courts anyway. I don't think my position is all that different from the ones taken by gun-owning (and gun nut) Democrats, when the loons within their party get busy proposing new legislation on firearms rights.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:30:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Isnt there already a thread on this topic? Could be, but I didn't notice it. I don't read every thread. Sometimes it's hard to tell from the thread titles what a thread is about, so there could be one that didn't exactly jump out at me.

Aylee -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:34:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda I see the difference, yes, but I'm afraid I don't see the point you're making. If I kill a guy attacking me while I am pregnant, it will be a justifiable homicide. Because the guy was engaging in an illegal activity. If I am pregnant and go get an abortion, that is a legal activity and I would not be allowed to kill the doctor for engaging in a legal activity. So stating that this law allows people to go and murder abortion doctors is incorrect. It is making a slippery slope argument.

popeye1250 -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:35:56 AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhHmhEqX7G4 Now there's some leftist mental illness for ya! You can see RML's girlfriend at 2:38 Funny, the people who speak out against religious fundamentalism always seem to swerve around islam.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:44:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda I see the difference, yes, but I'm afraid I don't see the point you're making. If I kill a guy attacking me while I am pregnant, it will be a justifiable homicide. Because the guy was engaging in an illegal activity. If I am pregnant and go get an abortion, that is a legal activity and I would not be allowed to kill the doctor for engaging in a legal activity. So stating that this law allows people to go and murder abortion doctors is incorrect. It is making a slippery slope argument. Oh, Ok. I see your point now. But that's not the way the bill is worded. The relevant language is as follows: quote: Homicide is justifiable if committed by any person in the lawful defense of such person, or of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant, or the unborn child of any such enumerated person, if there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony, or to do some great personal injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished. In other words, if the husband or father of a woman seeking an abortion decides that the doctor is about to inflict "great personal injury" on the fetus, he is justified in killing the doctor. Whether abortion is a legal act or not is not important. The simple act of harming a fetus is sufficient to make it a justifiable homicide.

jlf1961 -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:44:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhHmhEqX7G4 Now there's some leftist mental illness for ya! You can see RML's girlfriend at 2:38 Funny, the people who speak out against religious fundamentalism always seem to swerve around islam. Popeye, you have selective memory loss. The people who speak out against religious fundamentalism are talking about ALL religious fundamentalists, including Muslim fundamentalists. You sir are an <enter derogatory term here>

Hillwilliam -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:47:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhHmhEqX7G4 Now there's some leftist mental illness for ya! You can see RML's girlfriend at 2:38 Funny, the people who speak out against religious fundamentalism always seem to swerve around islam. Christian, Jewish and Islamic fundamentalists all worship the same God and Murder in His name.

Aylee -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:53:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda In other words, if the husband of a woman seeking an abortion decides that the doctor is about to inflict "great personal injury" on the fetus, he is justified in killing the doctor. Whether abortion is a legal act or not is not important. The simple act of harming a fetus is sufficient to make it a justifiable homicide. I have to disagree. Many states have laws that charge a person with two homicides if they kill a pregnant woman. The homicide of the woman and the unborn baby. Because abortion is a legal activity, abortion doctors are not brought to trial for murder. There can be no justifiable homicide of someone engaging in a legal activity.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 11:56:26 AM)
But the fact remains, this bill is specifically worded in such a way as to make it justifiable homicide if the father or husband of a woman having an abortion kills the doctor.

Aylee -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 12:35:07 PM)
I am not sure if you read the updates to the article, but it looks like they may be changing the bill to protect abortion doctors. quote: UPDATE 3: Jensen met with South Dakota attorney general Marty Jackley Wednesday morning and now says he may drop the bill entirely, the Rapid City Journal reports. Any consideration of the measure has been postponed to next Tuesday while Jensen decides on his next move. Another option under consideration, according to the Journal, is "amend[ing] the bill to make it clear that abortion providers don't fall under HB1171's purview." Jensen could do that pretty easily: Where HB1171 says homicide is justifiable while resisting an attempt to harm a fetus "to a degree likely to result in the death of the unborn child," Jensen could insert four words: "to a degree that is unlawful and likely to result..."

DomKen -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 1:07:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda In other words, if the husband of a woman seeking an abortion decides that the doctor is about to inflict "great personal injury" on the fetus, he is justified in killing the doctor. Whether abortion is a legal act or not is not important. The simple act of harming a fetus is sufficient to make it a justifiable homicide. I have to disagree. Many states have laws that charge a person with two homicides if they kill a pregnant woman. The homicide of the woman and the unborn baby. Because abortion is a legal activity, abortion doctors are not brought to trial for murder. There can be no justifiable homicide of someone engaging in a legal activity. You're either obtuse or intentionally avoiding the point. If I'm engaged in a legal activity and somehow cause grievous harm to someone I can still be charged with a crime. In this specific case the bill is very clear, all that matters is if the killed person was doing harm to the fetus.

rulemylife -> RE: South Dakota May Legalize Murdering Abortion Doctors (2/20/2011 2:49:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Uh huh... [image]http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/march162008/obam_wright_350.jpg[/image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda But it's the Republican Party that incorporates the lunacy of these crazy fundamentalist religious groups into their legislative agenda. That must be a new record for you Sanity. Managing to hijack a thread on just the third post.

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