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jlf1961 -> House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 4:44:39 PM)

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The House failed to extend three key expiring provisions of the Patriot Act on Tuesday, elements granting the government broad and nearly unchecked surveillance power on its own public.

The act was hastily adopted six weeks after the 2001 terror attacks. Three measures of the act are set to expire at month’s end, and the House’s lack of a two-thirds vote on Tuesday failed to move the sunsetting deadline to December 8, as proposed. The vote was 277-148.

The failure of the bill, sponsored by Rep. James F. Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wisconsin), for the time being is likely to give airtime to competing measures in the Senate that would place limited checks on the act’s broad surveillance powers. The White House, meanwhile, said it wanted the expiring measures extended through 2013.

The three expiring Patriot Act provisions are:
*The “roving wiretap” provision allows the FBI to obtain wiretaps from a secret intelligence court, known as the FISA court, without identifying the target or what method of communication is to be tapped.

*The “lone wolf” measure allows FISA court warrants for the electronic monitoring of a person for whatever reason — even without showing that the suspect is an agent of a foreign power or a terrorist. The government has said it has never invoked that provision, but the Obama administration said it wanted to retain the authority to do so.

*The “business records” provision allows FISA court warrants for any type of record, from banking to library to medical, without the government having to declare that the information sought is connected to a terrorism or espionage investigation.

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About fucking time this shit starts expiring.




servantforuse -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 4:55:22 PM)

I think this is not a very good time to do this. There has not been a successful terrorist attack on this country since 911. There is a reason for that. Ending these provisions will hamper the Obama administration in tracking those that want to kill us.




cuckoldmepls -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 5:00:48 PM)

Well I guess that shuts the tea party naysayers up. These people are real Americans. I've said forever now that the only people who should be monitored without warrants are non citizens  and suspected terrorists. In reality, what the government has been doing is monitoring legal Americans for political opposition. Bush did it, and now Obama is doing it. Obama even has an internet kill switch now. Completely unconstitutional.

This is what JFK said and it's almost as if he was speaking directly to Bush and now Obama.

"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings.

We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it.

Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it.

And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment.

That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control.

And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know."






jlf1961 -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 5:15:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

Well I guess that shuts the tea party naysayers up. These people are real Americans. I've said forever now that the only people who should be monitored without warrants are non citizens  and suspected terrorists. In reality, what the government has been doing is monitoring legal Americans for political opposition. Bush did it, and now Obama is doing it. Obama even has an internet kill switch now. Completely unconstitutional.




The internet kill authority has not even passed the senate, and you would know this if you actually followed the news and not some conspiracy theory website.




Hillwilliam -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 5:30:17 PM)

Bout freakin time. Dubya railroaded it thru and his party saw the error of his ways.




servantforuse -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 5:38:03 PM)

The Senate passed the Patriot Act on a vote of 99 to 1. I'm not sure that it was railroaded through.




Hillwilliam -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 6:00:36 PM)

Who got it passed. The post 911 hysteria pushed by Dubya is what got it rail..err I mean passed. Anyone else wanna bet they passed it quickly so they could read it later?




DarkSteven -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 6:10:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I think this is not a very good time to do this. There has not been a successful terrorist attack on this country since 911. There is a reason for that. Ending these provisions will hamper the Obama administration in tracking those that want to kill us.


So you're only defining terror attacks if they're carried out by a Muslim, so Loughner's doesn't count?

And don't forget that Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, made it through every single level of security but was brought down by passengers and flight crew.  Bush dodged a bullet on that one - had the attack been successful, he would have faced worse than the Katrina aftermath.




servantforuse -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 6:17:29 PM)

Murders by insane people are committed in this country every day. Loughner's act was murder. The shoe bomber wasn't successful and his flight didn't originate in this country. Maybe Obama should have tapped his phone and prevented this awful crime ?




Rule -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 6:28:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
I think this is not a very good time to do this. There has not been a successful terrorist attack on this country since 911. There is a reason for that. Ending these provisions will hamper the Obama administration in tracking those that want to kill us.

What are you talking about? There were about 400 000 deaths on USA soil since 911 caused by people who clearly are hell-bend on killing you lot. The patriot act never stopped any of them.




servantforuse -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 6:31:20 PM)

What percentage of the number you mention do you think is drug and gang related ? These killings are not attacts against our country.




Rule -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 6:32:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
So you're only defining terror attacks if they're carried out by a Muslim, so Loughner's doesn't count?

And don't forget that Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, made it through every single level of security but was brought down by passengers and flight crew.  Bush dodged a bullet on that one - had the attack been successful, he would have faced worse than the Katrina aftermath.

Call me paranoid, but I suspect both had black ops guys pulling their strings.




DarkSteven -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 6:32:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Murders by insane people are committed in this country every day. Loughner's act was murder. The shoe bomber wasn't successful and his flight didn't originate in this country. Maybe Obama should have tapped his phone and prevented this awful crime ?


servant, I'm very confused.  You made a flat statement, and I was objecting to it.

You are clearly drawing a distinction between terrorist attacks and murder, and I don't see it.  You are also claiming that terrorist attacks don't count if the flights don't originate in the US.

I have no issues with you disagreeing with me, but I'd like to know what your statement truly should be.  Saying flatly that there have been no terrorist attacks since 9/11 just doesn't make sense to me.




Rule -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 6:40:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
What percentage of the number you mention do you think is drug and gang related?

None. There were 42 000 traffic deaths in 2007. I simply multiplied that number by ten to arrive at approximately 400 000 traffic deaths since 911.

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
These killings are not attacks against our country.

[:-] Umm, I rather suspect that those 400 000 dead people would disagree if one could ask their opinion.

My point is this: Why worry about a handful of victims that result when one of the USA black ops people arranges for a Muslim to go nuts, when you have got four hundred thousand corpses littering your streets? It ain't rational. Fear cars instead! Stop crossing streets!




GotSteel -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 7:32:09 PM)

What about Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, wasn't he a successful Muslim terrorist?




GotSteel -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 7:39:18 PM)

Also, what about Malik Nadal Hasan?




Rule -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 7:42:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
What about Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, wasn't he a successful Muslim terrorist?

He is merely a pathetic nut who is being tried for murder.

If y'all wanna be frightened, then go to the scare house at a carnival




Rule -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 7:45:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
Also, what about Malik Nadal Hasan?

I quote from abc world news:

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While he said he could not rule out the incident as an act of terrorism, evidence does not support that theory.

Hasan's cousin Nader Hasan said that he believed it was his upcoming deployment combined with the wartime horror stories he heard from his patients that set him off.




pahunkboy -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 7:50:49 PM)

Thank God- the Democrats have finally did something. 




willbeurdaddy -> RE: House Fails To Extend Patriot Act Spy Powers (2/8/2011 11:49:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

Well I guess that shuts the tea party naysayers up.


Interesting take, since Rand Paul led a contingent of tea partiers who oppose the extensions. They cant get everything right.




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