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pahunkboy -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/27/2011 7:16:43 PM)
I agree. People are slobs.

SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/27/2011 8:08:22 PM)
Ya know I lubz ya, Wyld, and I agree that the types of individuals you mentioned should be banned from public in the interests of decency. HOWEVER... What's the difference between a woman breast feeding in public and a woman telling her fully clothed, submissive male partner to get down on his knees and tie her shoe for her in the middle of the mall? Or to walk a fully clothed partner through the mall on a leash? If you say that the difference is that one is natural and the other is kink, and we should not inflict our sexual kinks on the non-consenting public, I call bullshit.

Aylee -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/27/2011 8:14:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan Ya know I lubz ya, Wyld, and I agree that the types of individuals you mentioned should be banned from public in the interests of decency. HOWEVER... What's the difference between a woman breast feeding in public and a woman telling her fully clothed, submissive male partner to get down on his knees and tie her shoe for her in the middle of the mall? Or to walk a fully clothed partner through the mall on a leash? If you say that the difference is that one is natural and the other is kink, and we should not inflict our sexual kinks on the non-consenting public, I call bullshit. I would say that a baby cannot feed itself while a woman can tie her own shoe and two adults should be able to remain side by side without a leash. HOWEVER I have no problem with any of those scenarios, nor my child seeing them.

SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/27/2011 8:34:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I would say that a baby cannot feed itself while a woman can tie her own shoe and two adults should be able to remain side by side without a leash. HOWEVER I have no problem with any of those scenarios, nor my child seeing them. I would say that the woman can retire somewhere out of view of the public to feed her child, even if it means going out to her car, or use a pump to get a bottle full of breast milk to take with her if she knows she's going to be out of her house during feeding time. If I had chosen to breast feed my kids, I wouldn't have dreamed of inflicting my choice on the public any more than I would dream of inflicting my kinks on bystanders. Personally, I don't want to see either one or to have my children witness them.

Arpig -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/27/2011 8:36:17 PM)
~FR~ Anybody who objects to breastfeeding anywhere, anytime is an idiot. Its what boobs were designed for, its their only real purpose, and I fully support the rights of any mother to breastfeed when and where she chooses. No need to cover up either. quote: Sorry, you don't get to ride roughshod over my rights just because you have a different opinion. Yet you feel your non-existent right to not be offended somehow trumps a mother's completely real and non-fictional right to feed her child properly when it is hungry...go figure

SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/27/2011 8:50:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig ~FR~ Anybody who objects to breastfeeding anywhere, anytime is an idiot. Funny, I feel much the same way about anyone who makes sweeping generalizations that have no basis in fact. Go figure.

WyldHrt -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/27/2011 9:10:32 PM)
quote: Ya know I lubz ya, Wyld, and I agree that the types of individuals you mentioned should be banned from public in the interests of decency. Well, at least we agree on something. Those saggy pants and undies just have to go! [:D] quote: What's the difference between a woman breast feeding in public and a woman telling her fully clothed, submissive male partner to get down on his knees and tie her shoe for her in the middle of the mall? Or to walk a fully clothed partner through the mall on a leash? If you say that the difference is that one is natural and the other is kink, and we should not inflict our sexual kinks on the non-consenting public, I call bullshit. I don't actually have a problem with either scenario. In the first one, passers-by have no way to know if the Domme (or Dom, if that is the case) has some physical issue, like back problems, that means that they can't tie their own shoe, carry packages, or any number of other things that subs often do for their Dominants. In the second, the whole collar thing is barely kinky these days in the first place, and passers-by who are naive would probably think that it was a goth thing, or shudder that the sub/slave has a physical or mental issue of the type making hir likely to wander off and get lost. Hell, people walk their kids on leashes in the mall, too. ETA- On a personal note, I have to admit to thinking "PLEASE shove a tit in that kid's mouth!" whenever I hear a baby screaming in a public place, especially a restaurant. I can choose not to look, but I can't choose not to hear a hungry baby letting loose in tones that could bend metal. It's probably just as well that I decided not to reproduce. [8D]

NocturnalStalker -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/27/2011 10:17:56 PM)
I don't care about breast-feeding. If you have ever been on the city bus up in Toronto you would sooner pass a law for people to take a shower before entering.

tazzygirl -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/27/2011 10:51:54 PM)
Had a couple in tonight who decided to inflict the whole restaurant with their lovey dovey ways... including an obvious hand down her blouse and her hand in his lap. When they stood up to leave, we all stared. He tugged his shirt down as they left the dining room. I stated quite clearly to another server... I dont mind someone elses kink.. but I would prefer to give my consent before watching the amateurs at work. They both had the decency, finally, to avoid my eyes as they left.

Arpig -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/28/2011 12:47:45 AM)
quote: Funny, I feel much the same way about anyone who makes sweeping generalizations that have no basis in fact. I would agree, except this time the generalization is firmly grounded in fact, as shown by your subsequent posts in this thread. Interesting how you declined to address the issue of the right of yours that is being trampled is non-existent, while the right of nursing mothers that you wish to trample is indeed existent. Your prudish hang-ups in no way dictate the actions or behavior of the rest of the world.

DamnPickyDomme -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/28/2011 1:15:02 AM)
i just can't understand the objection to a mother feeding her child. that is what breasts are for. they are not sexual organs, mankind has put that connotation on the female breast. what is the problem with putting a blanket over your shoulder and feeding the child under it? you can't see it, nobody is waving a boob under your nose, nobody is asking you to watch or assist, so what is the problem? i just don't get it. one of the amusing, amazing mysteries of the human psyche i guess. kink is ok, nature is not.

sirsholly -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/28/2011 5:33:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan While I support a woman's right to choose how she feeds her child, I would really appreciate not being subjected to that choice in public. I couldn't possibly care less how "natural" it is, I still have a visceral, involuntary negative reaction just to the thought of it. that is a personal issue that YOU have to deal with and should not be inflicted on the mother who is caring for her child. A "visceral, involuntary negative reaction just to the thought" of the most natural and healthy way to feed a child has me wondering just why you feel that way. Irregardless, thank heavens that the majority do not share your opinion. quote: I would never tell a woman not to feed her child in any way she chooses (as long as it's healthy), but I'd prefer there to be discreet, comfortable, and sanitary nursing stations/lounges available so I don't have to see it. The majority of nursing mothers would prefer this as well, but let's deal with reality, shall we? Nursing stations are NOT available wherever needed and thus the nursing mom has no choice but to care for her child in whatever manner she sees fit. When nursing, i would not consider doing so in a public bathroom, not would i take the baby out of the facility and across the parking lot to sit in either a boiling or freezing car. Would YOU want to eat in either of these places? I also would not use a pump in normal circumstances. First, the milk loses some of its nutrients. Secondly, a breast fed baby does not always transition from the breast to the bottle with ease, and thirdly, pumps affect the production of milk, making it very uncomfortable for the mother. Thank heavens my rights to feed in public are protected under law and pumping is not a necessity. quote: The last thing I want is to go out to eat and have my meal ruined because the woman in the booth across from me is breastfeeding and causing me to lose my appetite. I see choices here... eat at home, ask to be moved to another table, or dont look. Your loss of appetite does not bother me in the least. The health and comfort of my baby is paramount. Are you aware that in all but a few states, not only is a woman protected under law, but full nudity from the waist up is a legal right? You think your appetite is affected by a discrete mom covered with a blanket? How would you feel if she slung off the shirt and let those milk laden puppies bounce around while the baby nursed? If i were a witness to that, i would share your loss of appetite, even though it is her legal right to do so. I do not want to repulse you, nor ruin your meal. But i also can and will put the needs of my child over the negative mindset some have. When my child nursed, i was totally covered by a blanket. I had no desire to expose myself to you or anyone else. Lastly, i pity the person who would dare to infringe their personal preferences over the care i am giving to my child, and the legal right i have to do so. If said person feels a child should not be fed in public, lets see how they feel when i publicly tear them up one side and down the other. The woman in the OP article left the store in embarrassment. I would do no such thing...

calamitysandra -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/28/2011 6:26:46 AM)
There is nothing to say that others before me have not already stated, I just want to add, that when I nursed, I was not even completly covered. My babies all objected to being covered by a blanket, so there was a patch of skin visible. And yes, a nipple too on occasion. I never felt that somebody was reacting negatively. There might have been a hostile glance, but nothing overt. But there where lots of approving nods, and comments, as well as smiles that looked very much like fond remembrance. Especially older people approved openly, and more than once an elderly woman told me, that she was happy to see that the needs of the hungry baby come first. Small children often looked interested, and when they asked what I was doing, I looked to their parents, and explained. In my eyes feeding a hungry baby is so much a matter of course, that asking if it is appropriate is akin to asking if it is ok to breathe in public. Really a non starter.

cyprian -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/28/2011 6:33:05 AM)
If you want to talk about feeding babies healthy food, breast milk is the only food suited for a young baby. Formula has only been around for about 80 yr, so how the heck did we survive as a species if not for breast milk. Most people don't even know what baby formula is made of. It's cow milk with a bunch of unpronounecable chemicals, some vitamins & iron added in. Not supposed to feed babies whole milk until they are over a yr old? Nearly all formula is modified whole cow milk, w/exception of some soy products. Bottom line, most people are ignorant about what they eat & feed their kids. We've been breastfeeding for hundreds of thousands of years, but malls & restaurants are relatively new in comparison. There isn't the negatively about it in most countries. It's ridiculous to make an issue out of it. Malls need to have more places for moms to be able to relax & feed their babies, but there are not enough. I dont wanna look at butt cracks or the color of the sagging pants guy's boxers, so i look away. But i'd say there are things everywhere i don't want to see. Just look away.

tazzygirl -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/28/2011 7:06:12 AM)
quote: It's cow milk with a bunch of unpronounecable chemicals, some vitamins & iron added in. Not supposed to feed babies whole milk until they are over a yr old? Nearly all formula is modified whole cow milk, w/exception of some soy products. Its been around longer than 80 years. quote: Throughout history, mothers who could not breastfeed their babies either employed a wet nurse[9] or, less frequently, prepared food for their babies, a process known as "dry nursing".[9][10] Baby food composition varied according to region and economic status.[10] In Europe and America during the early 19th century, the prevalence of wet nursing began to decrease, while the practice of feeding babies mixtures based on animal milk rose in popularity.[11][12] This trend was driven by cultural changes as well as increased sanitation measures,[13] and it continued throughout the 19th and much of the 20th century, with a notable increase after Elijah Pratt invented and patented the India-rubber nipple in 1845.[9][14] As early as 1846, scientists and nutritionists noted an increase in medical problems and infant mortality was associated with dry nursing.[11][15] In an attempt to improve the quality of manufactured baby foods, in 1867, Justus von Liebig developed the world's first commercial infant formula, Liebig's Soluble Food for Babies.[16] The success of this product quickly gave rise to competitors such as Mellin's Infant Food, Ridge's Food for Infants and Nestle's Milk.[17] As physicians became increasingly concerned about the quality of such foods, medical recommendations such as Thomas Morgan Rotch's "percentage method" (published in 1890) began to be distributed, and gained widespread popularity by 1907.[9] These complex formulas recommended that parents mix cow's milk, water, cream, and sugar or honey in specific ratios to achieve the nutritional balance believed to approximate human milk reformulated in such a way as to accommodate the believed digestive capability of the infant.[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_formula#History_of_formula Not all formulas are milk based. And not all women are able to breast feed. There are some who are even told not too because of health conditions or medications. So, before this turns into an argument about whether breast feeding is right for all women, keep that in mind.

Marc2b -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/28/2011 7:35:36 AM)
quote: Anybody who objects to breastfeeding anywhere, anytime is an idiot. Its what boobs were designed for, its their only real purpose, and I fully support the rights of any mother to breastfeed when and where she chooses. No need to cover up either. [Emphasis Mine] Maybe I shouldn’t open another can o’ worms in this thread but I couldn’t let this go by without comment. You are only half right. Feeding her young is why human females – like all mammals – have mammary glands. But that is not the same things as boobs. Look at other female mammals and you will see that they have nothing approaching the large rounded breasts of human females. Yes, there will be some enlargement during lactation but compared to our females the rest of the mammal world is flat chested. Only human females have the extra layers of fat that give them what we call boobs, tits, bongos, knockers, etc. In fact, those extra layers of fat actually make it more difficult for human females to nurse their young (through the danger of suffocation) than their mammalian cousins (I read somewhere that small breasted women sometimes fear they will not be able to breast feed as well as larger breasted women and have to be informed that it is actually the opposite – it’s the larger breasted women who have more difficulty). So why this development (pun not intended, but I’ll take it anyway) that would seem counterintuitive to the “needs” of evolution? Because when we stopped walking around on all fours and stood upright the female buttocks lost some (but by no means all) of its presence and prominence as a sexual signal. Now that we were standing upright and facing each other human females needed a new sexual signal to say: “Hey males, I’m female! Check me out!” Women have mammary glands to feed their young. They have boobs to attract male sexual desire. Can anyone seriously argue that they don’t do their job very well? It is this sexual aspect of breasts that, I am quite certain, is behind most of the objection to public breast feeding. In such moments most guys just can’t help thinking: Boob! Boob! I see boob!” I do not condemn any guy (myself included) for this reaction. It comes natural to us – we are males after all. It is what happens next that matters. Those still steeped in medieval church dogmas that anything relating to sex and sexual desire is sinful will turn their “bad” feeling against the one who stirred up those feelings (that is, the woman who – GASP! – has her breast out in public). Those who are more inclined and capable of letting reason temper instinct and emotion will just smile at the adorable scene and then go about their business. That, in my opinion, is the difference between a human who is a male, and one who is a man.

PeonForHer -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/28/2011 11:39:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DamnPickyDomme i just can't understand the objection to a mother feeding her child. that is what breasts are for. To be fair, an anus is for taking a dump, but I think most of us would object to seeing that occur in public.

mnottertail -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/28/2011 11:52:30 AM)
OMFG!!!!! There must be 57 tits out there!!!!! I so wanna be Canadian, right now.

PeonForHer -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/28/2011 12:03:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail OMFG!!!!! There must be 57 tits out there!!!!! I so wanna be Canadian, right now. Canada's population is much bigger than that, Ron.

Lucylastic -> RE: Breast-Feeding Canadian Moms Create Flash Mob at Mall (1/28/2011 1:09:05 PM)
Its bloody chilly too, I just cut a hole in glass with mine!

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