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Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll find... - 1/23/2011 10:34:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll finds The vast majority of the public oppose the government's plan to sell off all or part of the publicly owned forests and woodland in England./snip

Why?    This will give the US the same idea.
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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/23/2011 5:59:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bad reporting.  The article does not give the rationale behind the sale, nor does it give alternatives.  That's equivalent to saying that 99+% of the US public oppose the federal deficit, without mentioning that the alternatives are higher taxes and/or spending cuts.



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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/23/2011 6:04:06 PM   
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Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll finds The vast majority of the public oppose the government's plan to sell off all or part of the publicly owned forests and woodland in England./snip

Why?    This will give the US the same idea.


They got the idea from Reagan.

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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 5:19:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		For reasons I can't be arsed to into for one such as you I think this plan, if done properly, is a good one. It isn't selling anything off to be cut down...or whatever bullshit pops into your mind.

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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 6:04:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Woody-- how is this not a theft from the tax payer?

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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 6:10:41 AM   
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Woody-- how is this not a theft from the tax payer?


hunky, one of the referenced articles states that it is a tax dodge.  No problem there - simply jack up the price of the forestland to account for that.

The whole thing reminds me of the health care crap here.  A proposed plan with minimal details, and everyone is assuming the worst for their side.  Simply because people don't pay taxes may not impact the Treasury if the revenues from the sale compensate.


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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 6:11:21 AM   
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Woody-- how is this not a theft from the tax payer?


Really PA... do you really think that the majority of people even have the tax reasons at the top of their list?

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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 6:13:26 AM   
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Woody-- how is this not a theft from the tax payer?


hunky, one of the referenced articles states that it is a tax dodge.  No problem there - simply jack up the price of the forestland to account for that.

The whole thing reminds me of the health care crap here.  A proposed plan with minimal details, and everyone is assuming the worst for their side.  Simply because people don't pay taxes may not impact the Treasury if the revenues from the sale compensate.


It's only a tax doge as you call it on private woodland. Public woodland is different. I don't believe that is what PA is hinting at.

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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 6:23:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's astonishing.  Harold Macmillan criticised the Thatcher government's selling of various public utilities as 'selling off the family silver'.  What would this be - selling off the oak tree in our front garden?

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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 6:32:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		The point is- the forest belongs to the people-  so this would be YOURS. 

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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 7:35:44 AM   
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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 7:49:53 AM   
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If the tax is all you are worried about on this or it's the first thing you think of, then you have got to be pretty hollow.

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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 7:58:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dude-  this is UN agenda 21.   

If Goldman wants your forests- then knock yourself out.  I think it is not fair- but if the people of the UK want that- then so be it.

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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 7:59:55 AM   
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Dude-  this is UN agenda 21.   

If Goldman wants your forests- then knock yourself out.  I think it is not fair- but if the people of the UK want that- then so be it.


Seriously do you have to turn everything into Goldman or aliens?

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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 8:13:53 AM   
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Dude-  this is UN agenda 21.   

If Goldman wants your forests- then knock yourself out.  I think it is not fair- but if the people of the UK want that- then so be it.


Seriously do you have to turn everything into Goldman or aliens?


Who do you think owns your butt?

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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 8:28:40 AM   
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Dude-  this is UN agenda 21.   

If Goldman wants your forests- then knock yourself out.  I think it is not fair- but if the people of the UK want that- then so be it.


Seriously do you have to turn everything into Goldman or aliens?

I'm very surprised he hasn't mentioned her maj yet...

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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 8:34:05 AM   
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Who do you think owns your butt?




Pffft.... that's just too easy. Master.


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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 8:35:07 AM   
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I'm very surprised he hasn't mentioned her maj yet...


Indeed...


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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 9:10:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Queen is having financial problems.   She cant afford to heat her place- and not the newly weds will have to share the place with her and they wont have servants either.

even still-- being that she is a large land owner- it would not hurt her to sell her land-  so that it can pay the banks which she owns.     and NOW.       The City of London is sure a scam.

...subjects are not sovereigns.  ...so you guys are screwed.  By next year- there will be no public lands at all- with anything that has not been provitised already- to be privatized.

If she sold her land- she could pay the bank that she owns in the City of London.

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RE: Huge majority oppose England forest sell-off, poll ... - 1/24/2011 9:27:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		It isn't her land to sell, matey: Cromwell saw to that when he beheaded a prior incumbent in her job.

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