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popeye1250 -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/21/2011 9:32:34 AM)
"The Crown?" I was unaware that Australia had a monarchy! "All hail King DONK!" Isn't Australia some type of representative type of govt?

Hillwilliam -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/21/2011 9:35:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 "The Crown?" I was unaware that Australia had a monarchy! "All hail King DONK!" Isn't Australia some type of representative type of govt? Oz doesnt have a monarchy but they still use a lot of the old Brit terms and old Brit property laws. There are those in the US who have used the old "Crown Land Grants" to try to circumvent the Federal Navigable Waters act. It hasn't worked so far.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/21/2011 9:37:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 "The Crown?" I was unaware that Australia had a monarchy! "All hail King DONK!" Isn't Australia some type of representative type of govt? Not on the Bizarro Planet.

Arpig -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/21/2011 10:17:46 AM)
Of course Oz has a monarchy for Christ's sake, don't you people get taught anything in school?? Australia is just like Canada in this respect, as is New Zealand and some 14 other nations - They all share the same Queen and basic form of parliamentary government. ETA: From the Australian government's own website: quote: Australia’s formal name is the Commonwealth of Australia. The form of government used in Australia is a Constitutional Monarchy – ‘Constitutional’ because the powers and procedures of the Commonwealth Government are defined by a written constitution, and ‘Monarchy’ because Australia’s Head of State is Queen Elizabeth II. http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our-government

Hillwilliam -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/21/2011 10:36:44 AM)
Thanks for clearing it up Arpig.

Politesub53 -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/21/2011 12:33:39 PM)
RealOne and Pahunk dont understand simple terms. The idea that the Crown can be a seperate entity from the Monarch is beyond their understanding. Throughout the Commonwealth realms The Crown is an abstract metonymic concept which represents the legal authority for the existence of any government. It evolved naturally as a separation of the literal crown and property of the nation-state from the person and personal property of the monarch. Similar concepts of "The Crown" also operate in other constitutional monarchies, in which (like the United Kingdom) the monarch is Head of State, but the actual governing of the nation is conducted according to the wishes of a democratically elected national legislature. Source. Websters.

luckydawg -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/21/2011 1:04:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg of course the water trapped in dams is prevented from going downstream PA. But this is down under. Screws and water cycle in reverse there. Counter clock wise instead of clockwise. Not every water source will have a down stream. Truely fucking stupid. You need help. The water cycle is not reversed in Oz, and water still flows downstream there.

pahunkboy -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/21/2011 4:36:03 PM)
No water flows down a drain in reverse in OZ.

Politesub53 -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/21/2011 4:38:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy No water flows down a drain in reverse in OZ. Indeed it does, down to the earths gravitational pull. When it starts flowing uphill like you suggested, call the Pope as you will have seen a miracle.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/21/2011 5:40:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy No water flows down a drain in reverse in OZ. Indeed it does, down to the earths gravitational pull. When it starts flowing uphill like you suggested, call the Pope as you will have seen a miracle. Actually it's the Coriolis Effect, due to the rotation of the Earth.

twistedwillow -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/22/2011 4:16:01 AM)
Just to clear up a few things, in Australia the dams on private properties are not rivers or streams that have been blocked off to form a dam. A dam is, basically, a big old hole dug into the ground, whereby runoff is collected when it rains. The dams are not built by the govt they dug by the farmer himself either with his own backhoe or he pays a contractor to dig it for him. They vary in size from barely a depression in the ground thats a few feet deep, to some that are meters deep. Farmers already have it frickin tough here, we do not need this.

pahunkboy -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/22/2011 7:11:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twistedwillow Just to clear up a few things, in Australia the dams on private properties are not rivers or streams that have been blocked off to form a dam. A dam is, basically, a big old hole dug into the ground, whereby runoff is collected when it rains. The dams are not built by the govt they dug by the farmer himself either with his own backhoe or he pays a contractor to dig it for him. They vary in size from barely a depression in the ground thats a few feet deep, to some that are meters deep. Farmers already have it frickin tough here, we do not need this. THANK YOU. I did not think this was dams in the traditional sense.

Moonhead -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/22/2011 7:58:52 AM)
You thought it was a tax on lesbians who practise safe sex?

pahunkboy -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/22/2011 8:03:51 AM)
Chuckles... Yes-- !! jumps up and down! YESSS! ;-0

popeye1250 -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/22/2011 1:59:13 PM)
It appears that when they say "The Crown" they really mean some beaurocrat sitting in a office someplace. Boy, I wouldn't ever want to be a "subject."

Moonhead -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (1/22/2011 2:27:15 PM)
So who do you pay taxes to, then?

RCharles -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (4/5/2011 5:43:46 AM)
This issue is being blown out of proportion. Parts of Australia including Adelaide have suffered from a 5 year drought. Our major river is nearly dead because of the amount of people placing dams and other diverting of the natural river flow. What the NRM are doing is trying to place metres on the dams to try and quantify the amount of water being harvested. Any licensing fee recovered, gets spent on improving the indigenous environment. It is a statutory body that has a independent management board and free from political influence. There is no talk of any fee for anyone who uses less than 5gigaletres. So most people will not be affected.

Real0ne -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (4/5/2011 8:01:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy How did the Crown become the tax payer? The crown got the money to build the dams from the taxpayers. The taxpayers paid to build them. Those who use the resource should pay at LEAST to maintain them. where is the original contract? what is this typical crown contract modification by force? in feudalville its all contract and kingee ole boy (crown) owns all the land and now decides they reserve the right after the fact? If its not in the contract they have no right. got a rope?

tweakabelle -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (4/5/2011 8:04:18 AM)
You do realise don't you, pahunkboy, that "the Crown" here doesn't mean the UK Royal Family - you know Queen Liz, Phil the Greek and all the brats. It's a legal term that translates as "the State". In democratic societies, the State is supposed to be the taxpayers.

Real0ne -> RE: OZ,"the Crown reserves the right to manage this important resource" (4/5/2011 8:05:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RCharles This issue is being blown out of proportion. Parts of Australia including Adelaide have suffered from a 5 year drought. Our major river is nearly dead because of the amount of people placing dams and other diverting of the natural river flow. What the NRM are doing is trying to place metres on the dams to try and quantify the amount of water being harvested. Any licensing fee recovered, gets spent on improving the indigenous environment. It is a statutory body that has a independent management board and free from political influence. how does that work? You just described a fictitious governmental body with no legitimate authority! There is no talk of any fee for anyone who uses less than 5gigaletres. So most people will not be affected.

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