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Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens of ... - 1/20/2011 12:48:48 PM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture
Dozens of suspects claimed for decades that Lt. Jon Burge and his officers tortured them into confessing to crimes.
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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 12:52:54 PM   
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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 12:59:16 PM   
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What's wrong with police using enhanced interrogation techniques?

For one thing, for every time you put an innocent man you put in prison and close a case, it leaves a criminal on the streets to steal, kill and rape more.

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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 1:08:08 PM   
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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 1:11:17 PM   
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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 1:13:39 PM   
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At this point, I should say that I was being ironic in my earlier post.  Juuust in case. 

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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 1:23:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Burge made innocent men confess to crimes they had nothing to do with. The actual criminals remained free because he and his men couldn't be bothered to do actual police work but instead just beat down the "usual suspects."

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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 1:26:44 PM   
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For a second thing, it makes a complete mockery of the justice system.

Conservatives have a problem with that?

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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 2:19:55 PM   
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Its incredible how many of you comment on the real import of the story, which is breaking of the law by a LEO, and immediately sympthatize with the "victims". The contrast beween conservative and liberal brains highlighted once again. How Fl actually got one right is beyond me.

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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 2:22:10 PM   
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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 2:25:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, he is an insurance peddler for a living, having finally admitted it inadvertantly, and highlighted by tazzy, which is also a fact which I pointed out years ago as well.

kudos to me once again.

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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 2:26:47 PM   
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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 2:27:00 PM   
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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 4:00:38 PM   
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FR

At this point, I should say that I was being ironic in my earlier post.  Juuust in case. 


You English are all the same......LOL

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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 4:02:38 PM   
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Yes, they certainly were all innocent.

Its incredible how many of you comment on the real import of the story, which is breaking of the law by a LEO, and immediately sympthatize with the "victims". The contrast beween conservative and liberal brains highlighted once again. How Fl actually got one right is beyond me.


Yeah I don't see why anyone would sympathize with Michael Tillman. He was only tortured for 3 days to confess to a crime he didn't commit and spent 20 years in prison as a result.

"Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" William Blackstone

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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 4:02:44 PM   
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For a second thing, it makes a complete mockery of the justice system.

Conservatives have a problem with that?


More so than Blair did....

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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 4:05:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alot of crooked things go on in Chicago.

Funny he did this 30 years ago- and 10 years ago- it is official US policy.

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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 5:54:20 PM   
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"Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" William Blackstone


That's why we have laws and juries.

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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 6:02:57 PM   
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You English are all the same......LOL


Bollocks!

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RE: Ex-Chicago Officer Faces 30-Plus for Torture Dozens... - 1/20/2011 6:06:54 PM   
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That's why we have laws and juries.


Chicago police make and do both, apparently . . . . . 

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