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pahunkboy -> Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/19/2011 5:56:39 PM)

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Fellow -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 12:23:24 AM)

At first make a contribution to create a problem, then pretend you can solve it. He should perhaps ask somebody else for support. Anything Obama has done so far has prevented job creation.



joether -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 1:56:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Fellow
At first make a contribution to create a problem, then pretend you can solve it. He should perhaps ask somebody else for support. Anything Obama has done so far has prevented job creation.


Really?

The numbers paint a much different picture. That jobs are being created (against those loss per month), but are at a nail's pace. Got to give the guy credit, as 32% of the nation will say ANTYHING, if it makes him look bad. From Fox New's daily misinformation machine down to the commonly uncultured, intolerant, ignorant member of the Tea Party.

Some industries have recovered, and others won't for a while (that is the nature of a recession). The whole point of the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act of 2008 was to keep America from plunging in to a depression. Since we are not in one, and jobs were saved (according to the CBO), I would have to gather Mr. Obama has been doing a pretty good job. But why let FACTS and INFORMATION get in the way of conservatives, eh? They are the ones that sold America on the Iraq War. How much DID that war cost our country, again?

Now, as the first action of the GOP led House, was to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and NOT, help American's get jobs; I would still have to say, Mr. Obama is keeping focus on the problem, but Republicans are not. The ACA has created jobs in the health care industry, and projected to create more in the near future.




tazzygirl -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 2:59:38 AM)

54% approval rating, with a surge from Independents...



Fellow -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 3:39:59 AM)

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Really?

The numbers paint a much different picture. That jobs are being created (against those loss per month), but are at a nail's pace. Got to give the guy credit, as 32% of the nation will say ANTYHING, if it makes him look bad. From Fox New's daily misinformation machine down to the commonly uncultured, intolerant, ignorant member of the Tea Party.

Some industries have recovered, and others won't for a while (that is the nature of a recession). The whole point of the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act of 2008 was to keep America from plunging in to a depression. Since we are not in one, and jobs were saved (according to the CBO), I would have to gather Mr. Obama has been doing a pretty good job. But why let FACTS and INFORMATION get in the way of conservatives, eh? They are the ones that sold America on the Iraq War. How much DID that war cost our country, again?

Now, as the first action of the GOP led House, was to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and NOT, help American's get jobs; I would still have to say, Mr. Obama is keeping focus on the problem, but Republicans are not. The ACA has created jobs in the health care industry, and projected to create more in the near future.


I do not want to turn it into Obama policy discussion. Your pink colored glasses views have little to do with reality. Even NY Times notices the problems [ http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/business/economy/19leonhardt.html?ref=economy ] and the fact that US job creation is much worse than in other "recovering" countries (despite huge spending by the government). There are no FACTS to suggest otherwise. There simply is no driver for job creation and the unemployment has been steady last two years. Some analysts expect it to raise this year as the government spending needs to be restrained.  Blaming young people lack of education is not a correct explanation. University  graduates work as part time dog walkers. The economy has serious structural problems. For Obama and his associates maintaining the current system is more important that the welfare of people. Health care spending at current levels can not be maintained. Health care "industry" (the word itself sounds weird) corporate welfare (ACA) needs to be reformed.



DarkSteven -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 4:52:51 AM)

WTF?

Job creation is the duty of the economy, not the President.  Saying "We need more jobs" is fine, but where will they COME from?

Note that his solution has to do with training, education, and job opportunities.  The first two are overrated - if the jobs exist, they can be filled.

The real problems are:

1. The economy is cooling down.  It has been propped up by bubbles which have popped.  This means fewer jobs, especially for those entering the work force.
2. Automation.  Replacing humans with machines means fewer jobs for humans.
3. Offshoring.  I'm not sure that this factors into unemployment, because it simply transfers jobs from one country to another.  It depends whether you mean local or global unemployment.
4. Productivity improvement.  This is always stated as a good thing.  While I'm ambivalent, it should be noted that it doesn't always mean the same people making more stuff - it can and does mean fewer people making the same stuff.

A communist country could control the above.  But in a free market economy, options are limited.



ElSabio -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 4:59:11 AM)

well, well, dear leader o'bama could just like man he could pay people's mortgage and car payments. He be sittin' on all the money now. He could just like you know ban Republicans from all that hate speech. That be botherin' me. He could like man he could just hire us all to help him and the people... and give us one of them nice brown shirts. we'd be lookin' fine walkin down da street.



DarkSteven -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 5:17:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ElSabio

well, well, dear leader o'bama could just like man he could pay people's mortgage and car payments. He be sittin' on all the money now. He could just like you know ban Republicans from all that hate speech. That be botherin' me. He could like man he could just hire us all to help him and the people... and give us one of them nice brown shirts. we'd be lookin' fine walkin down da street.


Evidently you are able to speak some Spanish.  Both CerVeza and ElSabio are Spanish.

Your posts are strikingly similar no matter what ID you post them under.



defiantbadgirl -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 5:46:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Fellow

Anything Obama has done so far has prevented job creation.


Republicans voted NO on a bill that would've brought jobs back to the US just because democrats came up with it. Therefore, they don't care about jobs. They only care about who writes the bills.



pahunkboy -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 6:00:20 AM)

What a dazzling recovery it has been too!    HA



DarkSteven -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 6:01:46 AM)

*Sigh*... job creation is easy.  Just spend federal dollars and balloon the debt.  But that's not sustainable.

Creation of jobs that are NOT dependent on federal spending, and rise organically from the private sector and are sustainable, that's another story.  I'd love to see encouragement of new jobs in the private sector that do not depend on tax breaks, etc. 



pahunkboy -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 6:12:25 AM)

I think the uncertainty of all kinds of regs is not good.   Businesses cant plan for the long term- throw in the cooked numbers and everyone is on a different page.. some even on the wrong chapter...



PeonForHer -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 6:24:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
A communist country could control the above.  But in a free market economy, options are limited.


Steven, just as a point of info, is the phrase 'mixed economy' used your side of the pond and, if so, is it generally seen as an uncontentious term?



DarkSteven -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 7:11:39 AM)

Peon, I haven't heard it but some more economically aware people might have.



mnottertail -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 7:25:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
A communist country could control the above.  But in a free market economy, options are limited.


Steven, just as a point of info, is the phrase 'mixed economy' used your side of the pond and, if so, is it generally seen as an uncontentious term?


Peon,

Mixed economy;  that would be like China, commie on the inside, and handing the capitalists their own asses to the outside.

There is nothing that is uncontentious in american politics, old bean.



PeonForHer -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 9:04:48 AM)

FR

Interesting.  'Mixed economy' became pretty much a household, as well as a relatively uncontroversial, term over here during what's come to be called the 'post war consensus' (that consensus amongst both Left and Right after WW2 in support of a mixture of free market and government ownership).  I don't think it's generally - even now, after Thatcher - popularly seen as a 'dirty term'. 



DomKen -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 10:07:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

Interesting.  'Mixed economy' became pretty much a household, as well as a relatively uncontroversial, term over here during what's come to be called the 'post war consensus' (that consensus amongst both Left and Right after WW2 in support of a mixture of free market and government ownership).  I don't think it's generally - even now, after Thatcher - popularly seen as a 'dirty term'. 

Mixed Economy in the british sense of a mixture of socialism and capitalism is pretty much unknown on this side of the pond. Even baby steps in that direction during an economic collapse, The government buying stock in the auto companies to keep them afloat, was condemned like it was the announcement of a 5 year plan and the collectivization of family farms.



pahunkboy -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 10:13:47 AM)

I did not know we even made any cars anymore. 



popeye1250 -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 11:41:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I did not know we even made any cars anymore. 


PaHunk, my Lincoln MKS was made in Chicago.
And they "hand assemble" the powerful 3.7 lt 275 h.p. engines there too.
Also, Ford is going to hire more workers for their Kansas City plant this year.
The differances in quality between foreign made and American made vehicles are miniscule these days as engineering has progressed to such a high level over the last few decades. Just ask Dark Steven.
Look at the Ford F-150 trucks, it's really not a big deal to see them go for 300-400,000 miles with regular maintainance and you can really beat on them.



PeonForHer -> RE: Gordon Brown warns against global youth unemployment epidemic... (1/20/2011 12:13:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Mixed Economy in the british sense of a mixture of socialism and capitalism is pretty much unknown on this side of the pond. Even baby steps in that direction during an economic collapse, The government buying stock in the auto companies to keep them afloat, was condemned like it was the announcement of a 5 year plan and the collectivization of family farms.


Yep . . . most countries over here in Western Yoorp are within a hairsbreadth of Stalinist dictatorships at any given time. 



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