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But international comparisons should raise deeper and more disturbing questions, questions too rarely asked in serious company. The central and usually unchallenged premise of the gun control movement is that society becomes more civilized when the citizen surrenders the means of self-defense, leaving the state a monopoly of force. That this premise goes largely unchallenged is the most remarkable feature of our gun control debate. We are ending a century that has repeatedly witnessed the consequences of unchecked state monopolies of force. University of Hawaii political scientist Rudolph J. Rummel, one of the leading students of democide (mass murder of civilian populations by governments), has estimated that nearly 170 million people have been murdered by their own governments in our century. The familiar list of mass murderers– Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot–only scratches the surface. The mass slaughter of helpless, unarmed civilian populations continues to this very day in Sudan, Rwanda, and parts of the former Yugoslavia.

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ORIGINAL: rfd1

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democide

Lest we forget.
No thugs, no Mafia, could kill like people's own government.
Maybe the Bolshevik mentality is very much alive in today's Western left.

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
I've said this before (like many things) who's going to come to the defense of government infringements on cultists such as those in Waco?

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
To state that Hitler and his kind succeeded in mass murder simply because civilians didn't have weapons is an inaccurate and offensive oversimplification of history.

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
The text is an overt attempt to re-brand the anti gun control movement as being inclusive. When you compare how many individuals from minority backgrounds die as the result of guns to others then you can only conclude that guns are one of the most oppressive things ever invented. The minorities kill one another (resulting in them taking up less space in society) and the majority say "oh look gang violence tut tut."

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FR

I've said this before (like many things) who's going to come to the defence of government infringements on a cultists such as those in Waco? Whenever people rise up against the government they are classed as nuts and the pro gun types look the other way. I'm really curious as to when people will know for sure their government has gone too far, when it brings in congestion charging?

To state that Hitler and his kind succeeded in mass murder simply because civilians didn't have weapons is an inaccurate and offensive oversimplification of history.

The text is an overt attempt to rebrand the anti gun control movement as being inclusive. When you compare how many individuals from minority backgrounds die as the result of guns to others then you can only conclude that guns are one of the most oppressive things ever invented. The minorities kill one another (resulting in them taking up less space in society) and the majority say "oh look gang violence tut tut."

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never noticed that the US doesn't need a homicidal government to have the highest rate of homicides worldwide? well maybe these days second to Iraq ...

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

We Americans want nothing but peace, love and understanding.

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ORIGINAL: wilddreams17

never noticed that the US doesn't need a homicidal government to have the highest rate of homicides worldwide? well maybe these days second to Iraq ...
go on enjoy your right to carry guns and shoot each other the rate you do now ... does anyone really care?

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i think the title of the article should be "OUTLAWING Guns is Racist, Sexist, and Classist".

"gun control" includes laws that:

prohibit children from buying, or carrying guns
prohibit people with serious mental illnesses or developmental disabilities from buying or carrying guns
prohibit drug addicts from buying or carrying guns
prohibit wanted persons from buying or carrying guns
prohibit the person who (legally) owns a semiautomatic rifle from bringing it to work with him/her everyday
prohibit the possession of guns on planes
prohibit individual citizens from posessing fully automatic weapons, bombs, chemical or biological weapons, or nuclear bombs

i think even the staunchest supporter of guns would agree that there needs to be SOME form of gun control.

prohibit children from buying, or carrying guns

prohibit people with serious mental illnesses or developmental disabilities from buying or carrying guns

prohibit drug addicts from buying or carrying guns

prohibit wanted persons from buying or carrying guns

prohibit the person who (legally) owns a semiautomatic rifle from bringing it to work with him/her everyday

prohibit the possession of guns on planes

prohibit individual citizens from posessing fully automatic weapons, bombs, chemical or biological weapons, or nuclear bombs

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

FR

I've said this before (like many things) who's going to come to the defence of government infringements on a cultists such as those in Waco? Whenever people rise up against the government they are classed as nuts and the pro gun types look the other way. I'm really curious as to when people will know for sure their government has gone too far, when it brings in congestion charging?

To state that Hitler and his kind succeeded in mass murder simply because civilians didn't have weapons is an inaccurate and offensive oversimplification of history.

The text is an overt attempt to rebrand the anti gun control movement as being inclusive. When you compare how many individuals from minority backgrounds die as the result of guns to others then you can only conclude that guns are one of the most oppressive things ever invented. The minorities kill one another (resulting in them taking up less space in society) and the majority say "oh look gang violence tut tut."

Thank God for that.  When people have written about guns and freedom on these forums recently, it's often looked as though no historian, no economic, political or social thinker, ever wrote a thing that mattered a damn.  You've pointed to a few time-honoured techniques that rulers have used since the dawn of time in order to make sure that people never taste more than a grain of freedom.

On 19th April 1943 the Waffen SS entered the Warsaw ghetto. Although they only had two machine-guns, fifteen rifles and 500 pistols, the Jews opened fire on the soldiers. They also attacked them with grenades and petrol bombs. The Germans took heavy casualties and the Warsaw military commander, Brigadier-General Jürgen Stroop, ordered his men to retreat. He then gave instructions for all the buildings in the ghetto to be set on fire.

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We Americans want nothing but peace, love and understanding.

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It's the ultimate argument that every gun owner uses the one about being able to defend themselves but ultimately a gun is no defence against any kind of ambush. It's a device more suited to the offensive than the defensive. Therefore all things being equal more people will die from being shot out of the blue by them than the number of people saved by having them as a defence.

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never noticed that the US doesn't need a homicidal government to have the highest rate of homicides worldwide? well maybe these days second to Iraq ...

Uhhhh, try 50th in the world. But why let facts get in the way of being an ass. (Actually far lower than 50th, snce the countries that dont report are generally much higher crime areas than the US)