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rulemylife -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 12:56:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Liberal democrats in Wisconsin block any attempt to make voter ID state law. That will hopefully change this November. Here you need an ID to check out a book at the library, but not to vote.


Ah yes, sweet November.

When all will be made right again.

The flowers will bloom, the birds will sing, the RINO's and Democrats will be driven from office, and all the real conservatives will skip down the yellow brick road with tea bags hanging from their hats.






mnottertail -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 1:12:46 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR_FeHsmpZk




DomKen -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 2:57:18 PM)

So the consrvatives on this forum show us their hypocrisy yet again.

ACORN was vehemently condemned for turning in its own workers who had produced a few fraudulent registations but here we have multiple right wing organizations conspiring to prevent who knows how many people from casting legal votes and we get silence.




popeye1250 -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 3:06:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

So the consrvatives on this forum show us their hypocrisy yet again.

ACORN was vehemently condemned for turning in its own workers who had produced a few fraudulent registations but here we have multiple right wing organizations conspiring to prevent who knows how many people from casting legal votes and we get silence.



DomKen, I have the same problem with the lilly livered lefties so don't feel like the lone ranger there buddy!




joether -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 4:18:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse
Real voter suppression is the black panthers with night sticks in front of the voting house doors.


Got evidence to support your racism?





KenDckey -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 4:38:51 PM)

Ahhh  yes   unsigned documentation (that could have been done on just about anyone's word processor) of wrongdoing is sufficient once again to convict.




DomKen -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 4:45:16 PM)

How about audio tapes those involved confirm are accurate?
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/103398539.html

and
http://www.savewisconsinsvote2010.org/




KenDckey -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 4:48:52 PM)

the audio tapes do nothing for me until substantiated by an INDEPENDENT source.   you know   the feds that they were talking about




DomKen -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 5:02:38 PM)

Try reading the newspaper article again. The subjects admit that the tapes are accurate. Or are you saying the paper made that up?




Jeffff -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 5:30:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse
Real voter suppression is the black panthers with night sticks in front of the voting house doors.


Got evidence to support your racism?





He doesn't like negroes.




THELADY -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 5:49:05 PM)

there is videos of the black panthers out side the polling place. it was on all the news stations after the election. the democratic group in the house that has the responsibility of stopping this kind of thing chose not to have them prosecuted for violating voters rights. just like they chose not to persue acorns illigal shit in registering voters....I wonder if they will ignore this alleged shit to.....

humm?




servantforuse -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 6:09:14 PM)

Remember Lady, only white republicans can be racists.




slvemike4u -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 6:20:48 PM)

Are you listing your qualifications?




thornhappy -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 7:14:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: THELADY
there is videos of the black panthers out side the polling place. it was on all the news stations after the election. the democratic group in the house that has the responsibility of stopping this kind of thing chose not to have them prosecuted for violating voters rights. just like they chose not to persue acorns illigal shit in registering voters....I wonder if they will ignore this alleged shit to.....

humm?

How many polling places were they doing that?




thornhappy -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 7:25:45 PM)

Looks like it was at a single polling place.  Here's an interesting view from a conservative (Abigail Thernstrom) writing in The National Review (trust me, that ain't a liberal publication).

A number of conservatives have charged that the Philadelphia Black Panther decision demonstrates that attorneys in the Civil Rights Division have racial double standards. How many attorneys in what positions? A pervasive culture that affected the handling of this case? No direct quotations or other evidence substantiate the charge.

Thomas Perez, the assistant attorney general for civil rights, makes a perfectly plausible argument: Different lawyers read this barely litigated statutory provision differently. It happens all the time, especially when administrations change in the middle of litigation. Democrats and Republicans seldom agree on how best to enforce civil-rights statutes; this is not the first instance of a war between Left and Right within the Civil Rights Division.

The two Panthers have been described as “armed” — which suggests guns. One of them was carrying a billy club, and it is alleged that his repeated slapping of the club against his palm constituted brandishing it in a menacing way. They have also been described as wearing “jackboots,” but the boots were no different from a pair my husband owns.

A disaffected former Justice Department attorney has written: “We had indications that polling-place thugs were deployed elsewhere.” “Indications”? Again, evidence has yet to be offered.

Get a grip, folks. The New Black Panther Party is a lunatic fringe group that is clearly into racial theater of minor importance. It may dream of a large-scale effort to suppress voting — like the Socialist Workers Party dreams of a national campaign to demonstrate its position as the vanguard of the proletariat. But the Panthers have not realized their dream even on a small scale. This case is a one-off.

There are plenty of grounds on which to sharply criticize the attorney general — his handling of terrorism questions, just for starters — but this particular overblown attack threatens to undermine the credibility of his conservative critics. Those who are concerned about Justice Department enforcement of the Voting Rights Act should turn their attention to quite another matter, where the attorney general has been up to much more important mischief: his interpretation of the act’s core provisions.  [The rest of the article is about redistricting.]





rulemylife -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 8:19:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: THELADY

there is videos of the black panthers out side the polling place. it was on all the news stations after the election. the democratic group in the house that has the responsibility of stopping this kind of thing chose not to have them prosecuted for violating voters rights. just like they chose not to persue acorns illigal shit in registering voters....I wonder if they will ignore this alleged shit to.....

humm?


Wow, that's a lot of shit.




rulemylife -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 8:22:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Remember Lady, only white republicans can be racists.


I pray that someday you will be free from the oppression of the black man Servant.




douinjoisukenkak -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 8:26:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

http://www.savewisconsinsvote2010.org/

The players
Americans for Prosperity ( a Koch Brothers astroturf organization)
Republican Party of Wisconsin
Tea Party groups including the most prominent Wisconsin organizer.

The plan
A massive voter caging operation aimed at Milwaukee's minority precincts and college campuses across the state.

The intent
Make legally registere voters have to file provisional ballots and generally slow down the voting process to discourage voting.

The legality
Illegal under both federal and state law





Hate to break it to ya champ but both sides do it. If you don't believe me go ask the 3,500 Russians I registered this summer how many of them got to vote... It was the Democrats at the NYC Board of Elections doing the stalling to prevent the incumbent from going down in a primary.




DomKen -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 8:37:27 PM)

Sure it was. Turn your evidence over to a reporter or to a federal prosecutor. What you alege is a felony. Of course falsely accusing someone of sucha crime is a felony as well.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Real voter suppression caught in the act (9/21/2010 10:14:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Looks like it was at a single polling place.  Here's an interesting view from a conservative (Abigail Thernstrom) writing in The National Review (trust me, that ain't a liberal publication).

A number of conservatives have charged that the Philadelphia Black Panther decision demonstrates that attorneys in the Civil Rights Division have racial double standards. How many attorneys in what positions? A pervasive culture that affected the handling of this case? No direct quotations or other evidence substantiate the charge.

Thomas Perez, the assistant attorney general for civil rights, makes a perfectly plausible argument: Different lawyers read this barely litigated statutory provision differently. It happens all the time, especially when administrations change in the middle of litigation. Democrats and Republicans seldom agree on how best to enforce civil-rights statutes; this is not the first instance of a war between Left and Right within the Civil Rights Division.

The two Panthers have been described as “armed” — which suggests guns. One of them was carrying a billy club, and it is alleged that his repeated slapping of the club against his palm constituted brandishing it in a menacing way. They have also been described as wearing “jackboots,” but the boots were no different from a pair my husband owns.

A disaffected former Justice Department attorney has written: “We had indications that polling-place thugs were deployed elsewhere.” “Indications”? Again, evidence has yet to be offered.

Get a grip, folks. The New Black Panther Party is a lunatic fringe group that is clearly into racial theater of minor importance. It may dream of a large-scale effort to suppress voting — like the Socialist Workers Party dreams of a national campaign to demonstrate its position as the vanguard of the proletariat. But the Panthers have not realized their dream even on a small scale. This case is a one-off.

There are plenty of grounds on which to sharply criticize the attorney general — his handling of terrorism questions, just for starters — but this particular overblown attack threatens to undermine the credibility of his conservative critics. Those who are concerned about Justice Department enforcement of the Voting Rights Act should turn their attention to quite another matter, where the attorney general has been up to much more important mischief: his interpretation of the act’s core provisions.  [The rest of the article is about redistricting.]



Truth, Justice, or the Obama Way
The Justice Department is forced to investigate itself.
BY Jennifer Rubin
September 27, 2010, Vol. 16, No. 02

And besides, the head of the Civil Rights Division, Thomas Perez, had testified before both Congress and the commission that the case was legally and factually defective. He had also insisted there was no opposition in the department to enforcing civil rights laws against minority defendants.

In fact, there is ample evidence, including Justice Department emails obtained by The Weekly Standard, that Perez testified untruthfully. There is every reason to believe, moreover, that if allowed to testify, several other Justice Department attorneys would substantiate Adams’s allegations and contradict Perez’s sworn testimony. Not to mention that the department itself acknowledged last week that the matter of biased enforcement of voting laws requires investigation.




EDITORIAL: Scandal at Justice: Enabling vote fraud
Whistleblower blocks epidemic of dead voters
The Washington Times
6:29 p.m., Friday, September 3, 2010

The dead voters may be forced back into their graves. The biggest scandal emerging from the infamous New Black Panther voter- intimidation case didn't even involve the Black Panthers. Instead, it came when whistleblowing attorney J. Christian Adams told the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights that top Justice Department official Julie Fernandes  had openly refused to enforce laws that require states to remove ineligible names - dead people, felons, people who have moved - from voter rolls. 

...

Mr. Adams' notice letters report that South Dakota, for example, has 17 counties with more registered voters than there are citizens of voting age living there. Mississippi has 17 such counties. Alabama has seven, and Indiana, Kentucky and Texas have 12 each. Most of the states threatened with suits have reported no cleaning of their voter lists for years. Multiple press accounts in Tennessee show a serious problem with convicted felons and illegal immigrants being registered and sometimes voting. 

...

This developing scandal of mystery voters and dead voters resurrects the story about the Justice Department's own website showing more substantial efforts to help felons reacquire voting privileges - even though the department  has no statutory authority to do so - than to help ensure the opportunity for military personnel overseas to have their votes cast and counted on time. 


There Really Is Something Rotten in the Justice Department
September 7, 2010 7:30 P.M.
By Hans A. von Spakovsky

This is due to the Department’s refusal to enforce the part of Section 8 of the National Voter Registration Act that requires states to remove ineligible voters from their registration rolls — people who have died or moved away, and felons who have not yet had their voting rights restored.

...

Adams’s letters are based in part on a report filed with Congress by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission in June 2009 on the impact of the NVRA. It includes voter-registration statistics from the states for 2006–2008. This data shows some amazing results. For example, Adams says, there must be a fountain of youth in states such as Maryland, Arkansas, Massachusetts, Oregon, and Tennessee: None of them removed a single dead voter during that two-year reporting period. Many counties in states such as Alabama and Rhode Island also show a similar miracle — no voters were removed from their voter rolls for having died.

...

There are also several states — South Dakota, Mississippi, Texas, Kentucky, and Indiana among them — with more registered voters than (according to the Census) people of voting age.

...

For trying to enforce federal law, we were labeled as “vote suppressors.”

Now I know why some Democrats aren't so worried about the upcoming election.

The dead shall vote the party ticket. [:D]

Firm






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