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Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/17/2010 10:45:21 PM   
Icarys


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I've wanted to post this for about a week now but have been busy.

Recently I've seen a few posts related to autism so I wanted to just post what I hope will be a little help for those that are affected by it. I urge you to take a moment and think about this as an option and please don't dismiss it. Hopefully you'll do the research before write it off as hocus pocus or some new age mumbo jumbo.

Not sure how many people are familiar with HBOT chambers and the multitude of ailments that are helped by this therapy. Go to google, search the term and you'll find a crapload of what I deem pretty incredible recoveries using this technique..Including but not limited to Autism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geDd1eWKww0

This will tell you a little about HBOT.
http://www.altmd.com/Articles/What-is-Hyperbaric-Oxygen-Therapy-HBOT


Here are a few:
  • Air or gas embolism
  • Carbon Monoxide poisoning
  • Stroke
  • Exceptional blood loss
  • Cyanide poisoning
  • Decompression sickness
  • Some non-healing wounds
  • Gas gangrene
  • Necrotizing infections
  • Some cases of osteomyelitis
  • Radiation effects
  • Compromised skin flaps
  • Burns
These aren't all.

Here's a 17 year old that was in a car accident.
http://www.hbot.com/
Pretty amazing. I first saw him on youtube at 30-1hour sessions I believe. This is at 90.



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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 7:27:37 AM   
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My problems with ASD I have now taken to be just myself, me as I am. Sure I have some problems that need to be worked out , but I will do that myself for I believe the experts are pretty clueless on an individual basis, one cap does not fit all.

The result for me, is the accepting of myself, for the first time in many years I am just happy to be me and so please myself. Now if others see me as weird, odd, eccentric and they don't like that, then that is their problem, not mine for I am happy to be me.

My only problem now is to work out how I can exist in the general population, for I must do so if I am going to realise my business plans, but the draw is so strong to become reclusive, drop out of society and do my own thing.

But on analysis of those with similar problems that have gone before who became notable in society, I understand they also retreated into their own world and shunned their discoveries as it was to others, privacy was a prerequisite, I do understand them now.

But of autism and autistic spectral disorders, are they in reality disorders, or are they enhancements, perhaps there always was a need for thinkers as well as workers, but in order to dedicate oneself to a life of inward thought, there has to be sacrifices which do not come across as sacrifices with those that have autistic disorders, perhaps in human terms, not a design flaw, but a design enhancement.

I am of the firm belief many who society label as with disorders all have a use to society, for they are the way they are for a reason. The failing of society in general, is it's fascination with authority and the need to be above others, so that people who do not comply in this modern world have what is termed a disorder. A further failing of the societal machine is in failing to recognise disorders have a use, society has failed and will continue to fail in creating the tools necessary for effective communication with different mentalities and this could be why we are still as a world chasing our tails on a pathway to destruction.

The world is full of individuals, individuals with natural skills, surely those skills should be trained for the world we could be. Why must we all be the same, sameness is boring, but it is the fodder of the dense.

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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 8:35:53 AM   
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I've seen reports on HBOT for autism, long-standing CP, and other chronic conditions.  However, studies show that it has no effect.

Autism reminds me a lot of auto-immune diseases...no cause determined yet, and no cures.  So people pursue one anecdotal treatment to another, or blame one thing after another.  I've seen articles, blog posts, etc. that show parents spending an amazing amount of money on (what end up to be) worthless treatments.  I understand that they want the best for their child, but it can't help to bankrupt the family.  The early intervention therapy is expensive enough.

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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 8:54:19 AM   
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Perhaps people just need to accept who they are, and parents understand that autism is not the great terrible society has told them it is.

On occasions I help people with autism, not asd as I have, but diagnosed autistic, and I find them fascinating people, as when one disregards the obvious difficulties many are perturbed by, get to that mind and it's so powerful a power that comes with ease.

Now perhaps my asd is helping me communicate with those will autism, perhaps aspergers makes a good intermediary between the mind types, but one thing is for sure there is an intellect that is being wasted through notions of societal superiority.

I believe there is no cure for autism, autistics are what they are and that is that, time for society to understand that and start working with positivity regarding a use beyond the lab rat or pharmaceutical company dead cert cash cows.





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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 9:21:17 AM   
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A prospective, randomized clinical trial to compare the effect of hyperbaric to normobaric hyperoxia on cerebral metabolism, intracranial pressure, and oxygen toxicity in severe traumatic brain injury
Clinical articleSarah B. Rockswold, M.D.1,2, Gaylan L. Rockswold, M.D., Ph.D.2,3, David A. Zaun, M.S.4, Xuewei Zhang, M.D.2, Carla E. Cerra, R.N., B.A.N.2, Thomas A. Bergman, M.D.2,3, and Jiannong Liu, Ph.D.4 1Department of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation; 2Division of Neurosurgery, Department of Surgery, Hennepin County Medical Center; 3Department of Neurosurgery, University of Minnesota; and 4Analytical Services, Chronic Disease Research Group, Minneapolis Medical Research Foundation, Minneapolis, Minnesota Abbreviations used in this paper: AVDO2 = arteriovenous differences in oxygen; BAL = bronchial alveolar lavage; CBF = cerebral blood flow; CMRO2 = cerebral metabolic rate of oxygen; FiO2 = fraction of inspired oxygen; GCS = Glasgow Coma Scale; HBO2 = hyperbaric oxygen; ICP = intracranial pressure; ICU = intensive care unit; IL = interleukin; L/P = lactate/pyruvate; NBH = normobaric hyperoxia; OEF = oxygen extraction fraction; PEEP = positive end expiration pressure; P/F = PaO2/FiO2; PvO2 = partial pressure of venous oxygen; ROS = reactive oxygen species; TBI = traumatic brain injury; TIL = therapeutic intensity level; UPTD = unit pulmonary toxicity dose. Address correspondence to: Gaylan L. Rockswold, M.D., Ph.D., Department of Surgery, Hennepin County Medical Center, 701 Park Avenue, Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415. email: [email protected]. Please include this information when citing this paper: published online October 23, 2009; DOI: 10.3171/2009.7.JNS09363.DOI: 10.3171/2009.7.JNS09363 Object Oxygen delivered in supraphysiological amounts is currently under investigation as a therapy for severe traumatic brain injury (TBI). Hyperoxia can be delivered to the brain under normobaric as well as hyperbaric conditions. In this study the authors directly compare hyperbaric oxygen (HBO2) and normobaric hyperoxia (NBH) treatment effects. Methods Sixty-nine patients who had sustained severe TBIs (mean Glasgow Coma Scale Score 5.8) were prospectively randomized to 1 of 3 groups within 24 hours of injury: 1) HBO2, 60 minutes of HBO2 at 1.5 ATA; 2) NBH, 3 hours of 100% fraction of inspired oxygen at 1 ATA; and 3) control, standard care. Treatments occurred once every 24 hours for 3 consecutive days. Brain tissue PO2, microdialysis, and intracranial pressure were continuously monitored. Cerebral blood flow (CBF), arteriovenous differences in oxygen, cerebral metabolic rate of oxygen (CMRO2), CSF lactate and F2-isoprostane concentrations, and bronchial alveolar lavage (BAL) fluid interleukin (IL)–8 and IL-6 assays were obtained pretreatment and 1 and 6 hours posttreatment. Mixed-effects linear modeling was used to statistically test differences among the treatment arms as well as changes from pretreatment to posttreatment. Results In comparison with values in the control group, the brain tissue PO2 levels were significantly increased during treatment in both the HBO2 (mean ± SEM, 223 ± 29 mm Hg) and NBH (86 ± 12 mm Hg) groups (p < 0.0001) and following HBO2 until the next treatment session (p = 0.003). Hyperbaric O2 significantly increased CBF and CMRO2 for 6 hours (p ≤ 0.01). Cerebrospinal fluid lactate concentrations decreased posttreatment in both the HBO2 and NBH groups (p < 0.05). The dialysate lactate levels in patients who had received HBO2 decreased for 5 hours posttreatment (p = 0.017). Microdialysis lactate/pyruvate (L/P) ratios were significantly decreased posttreatment in both HBO2 and NBH groups (p < 0.05). Cerebral blood flow, CMRO2, microdialysate lactate, and the L/P ratio had significantly greater improvement when a brain tissue PO2 ≥ 200 mm Hg was achieved during treatment (p < 0.01). Intracranial pressure was significantly lower after HBO2 until the next treatment session (p < 0.001) in comparison with levels in the control group. The treatment effect persisted over all 3 days. No increase was seen in the CSF F2-isoprostane levels, microdialysate glycerol, and BAL inflammatory markers, which were used to monitor potential O2 toxicity. Conclusions Hyperbaric O2 has a more robust posttreatment effect than NBH on oxidative cerebral metabolism related to its ability to produce a brain tissue PO2 ≥ 200 mm Hg. However, it appears that O2 treatment for severe TBI is not an all or nothing phenomenon but represents a graduated effect. No signs of pulmonary or cerebral O2 toxicity were present.KEYWORDS:hyperbaric oxygen; normobaric hyperoxia; oxygen toxicity; traumatic brain injury; cerebral metabolism; intracranial pressure.Cited byShelly D. Timmons. (2010) Current trends in neurotrauma care. Critical Care Medicine 38, S431-S444

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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 9:31:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

I've seen reports on HBOT for autism, long-standing CP, and other chronic conditions.  However, studies show that it has no effect.

Autism reminds me a lot of auto-immune diseases...no cause determined yet, and no cures.  So people pursue one anecdotal treatment to another, or blame one thing after another.  I've seen articles, blog posts, etc. that show parents spending an amazing amount of money on (what end up to be) worthless treatments.  I understand that they want the best for their child, but it can't help to bankrupt the family.  The early intervention therapy is expensive enough.


Link those studies if you don't mind.

I've read numerous books that spoke to the contrary. One was written by Dr. David Perlmutter from Naples Florida where He documented stroke victims that were bedridden for years and now are able to walk around.

As a matter of fact this type of therapy is widely used in Europe.

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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 9:33:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

My problems with ASD I have now taken to be just myself, me as I am. Sure I have some problems that need to be worked out , but I will do that myself for I believe the experts are pretty clueless on an individual basis, one cap does not fit all.

The result for me, is the accepting of myself, for the first time in many years I am just happy to be me and so please myself. Now if others see me as weird, odd, eccentric and they don't like that, then that is their problem, not mine for I am happy to be me.

My only problem now is to work out how I can exist in the general population, for I must do so if I am going to realise my business plans, but the draw is so strong to become reclusive, drop out of society and do my own thing.

But on analysis of those with similar problems that have gone before who became notable in society, I understand they also retreated into their own world and shunned their discoveries as it was to others, privacy was a prerequisite, I do understand them now.

But of autism and autistic spectral disorders, are they in reality disorders, or are they enhancements, perhaps there always was a need for thinkers as well as workers, but in order to dedicate oneself to a life of inward thought, there has to be sacrifices which do not come across as sacrifices with those that have autistic disorders, perhaps in human terms, not a design flaw, but a design enhancement.

I am of the firm belief many who society label as with disorders all have a use to society, for they are the way they are for a reason. The failing of society in general, is it's fascination with authority and the need to be above others, so that people who do not comply in this modern world have what is termed a disorder. A further failing of the societal machine is in failing to recognise disorders have a use, society has failed and will continue to fail in creating the tools necessary for effective communication with different mentalities and this could be why we are still as a world chasing our tails on a pathway to destruction.

The world is full of individuals, individuals with natural skills, surely those skills should be trained for the world we could be. Why must we all be the same, sameness is boring, but it is the fodder of the dense.





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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 9:38:11 AM   
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This was more to let those who weren't aware of a possible help, know. If you and others want to doubt the legitimacy of such a therapy then you do it at possibly your own detriment and maybe those who you say you love...It makes perfect sense and has been used around the world with great success but I knew if I posted it some close-mined asshole who is cock sure of himself/herself that they are right would do the doubting thomas bit...not directed at you Aneirin.

Oh and nobody is suggesting that you check into this as some way to "Cure" yourself from anything but it just may help you and others with quality of life.

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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 9:45:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

A prospective, randomized clinical trial to compare the effect of hyperbaric to normobaric hyperoxia on cerebral metabolism, intracranial pressure, and oxygen toxicity in severe traumatic brain injury
Clinical articleSarah B. Rockswold, M.D.1,2, Gaylan L. Rockswold, M.D., Ph.D.2,3, David A. Zaun, M.S.4, Xuewei Zhang, M.D.2, Carla E. Cerra, R.N., B.A.N.2, Thomas A. Bergman, M.D.2,3, and Jiannong Liu, Ph.D.4 1Department of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation; 2Division of Neurosurgery, Department of Surgery, Hennepin County Medical Center; 3Department of Neurosurgery, University of Minnesota; and 4Analytical Services, Chronic Disease Research Group, Minneapolis Medical Research Foundation, Minneapolis, Minnesota Abbreviations used in this paper: AVDO2 = arteriovenous differences in oxygen; BAL = bronchial alveolar lavage; CBF = cerebral blood flow; CMRO2 = cerebral metabolic rate of oxygen; FiO2 = fraction of inspired oxygen; GCS = Glasgow Coma Scale; HBO2 = hyperbaric oxygen; ICP = intracranial pressure; ICU = intensive care unit; IL = interleukin; L/P = lactate/pyruvate; NBH = normobaric hyperoxia; OEF = oxygen extraction fraction; PEEP = positive end expiration pressure; P/F = PaO2/FiO2; PvO2 = partial pressure of venous oxygen; ROS = reactive oxygen species; TBI = traumatic brain injury; TIL = therapeutic intensity level; UPTD = unit pulmonary toxicity dose. Address correspondence to: Gaylan L. Rockswold, M.D., Ph.D., Department of Surgery, Hennepin County Medical Center, 701 Park Avenue, Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415. email: [email protected]. Please include this information when citing this paper: published online October 23, 2009; DOI: 10.3171/2009.7.JNS09363.DOI: 10.3171/2009.7.JNS09363 Object Oxygen delivered in supraphysiological amounts is currently under investigation as a therapy for severe traumatic brain injury (TBI). Hyperoxia can be delivered to the brain under normobaric as well as hyperbaric conditions. In this study the authors directly compare hyperbaric oxygen (HBO2) and normobaric hyperoxia (NBH) treatment effects. Methods Sixty-nine patients who had sustained severe TBIs (mean Glasgow Coma Scale Score 5.8) were prospectively randomized to 1 of 3 groups within 24 hours of injury: 1) HBO2, 60 minutes of HBO2 at 1.5 ATA; 2) NBH, 3 hours of 100% fraction of inspired oxygen at 1 ATA; and 3) control, standard care. Treatments occurred once every 24 hours for 3 consecutive days. Brain tissue PO2, microdialysis, and intracranial pressure were continuously monitored. Cerebral blood flow (CBF), arteriovenous differences in oxygen, cerebral metabolic rate of oxygen (CMRO2), CSF lactate and F2-isoprostane concentrations, and bronchial alveolar lavage (BAL) fluid interleukin (IL)–8 and IL-6 assays were obtained pretreatment and 1 and 6 hours posttreatment. Mixed-effects linear modeling was used to statistically test differences among the treatment arms as well as changes from pretreatment to posttreatment. Results In comparison with values in the control group, the brain tissue PO2 levels were significantly increased during treatment in both the HBO2 (mean ± SEM, 223 ± 29 mm Hg) and NBH (86 ± 12 mm Hg) groups (p < 0.0001) and following HBO2 until the next treatment session (p = 0.003). Hyperbaric O2 significantly increased CBF and CMRO2 for 6 hours (p ≤ 0.01). Cerebrospinal fluid lactate concentrations decreased posttreatment in both the HBO2 and NBH groups (p < 0.05). The dialysate lactate levels in patients who had received HBO2 decreased for 5 hours posttreatment (p = 0.017). Microdialysis lactate/pyruvate (L/P) ratios were significantly decreased posttreatment in both HBO2 and NBH groups (p < 0.05). Cerebral blood flow, CMRO2, microdialysate lactate, and the L/P ratio had significantly greater improvement when a brain tissue PO2 ≥ 200 mm Hg was achieved during treatment (p < 0.01). Intracranial pressure was significantly lower after HBO2 until the next treatment session (p < 0.001) in comparison with levels in the control group. The treatment effect persisted over all 3 days. No increase was seen in the CSF F2-isoprostane levels, microdialysate glycerol, and BAL inflammatory markers, which were used to monitor potential O2 toxicity. Conclusions Hyperbaric O2 has a more robust posttreatment effect than NBH on oxidative cerebral metabolism related to its ability to produce a brain tissue PO2 ≥ 200 mm Hg. However, it appears that O2 treatment for severe TBI is not an all or nothing phenomenon but represents a graduated effect. No signs of pulmonary or cerebral O2 toxicity were present.KEYWORDS:hyperbaric oxygen; normobaric hyperoxia; oxygen toxicity; traumatic brain injury; cerebral metabolism; intracranial pressure.Cited byShelly D. Timmons. (2010) Current trends in neurotrauma care. Critical Care Medicine 38, S431-S444



Sorry, the article construction is lost on me, as one of my asd related problems is a failure to be able to read anything where the structure of any wording is heavy. The above is heavy to me, too many words and symbols all together, it is why I write the way I do, in very short paragraphs with decent spacing in between. Another subject or train of thought deserves a new paragraph.

It is also why some on here may accuse me of not reading what they have quoted, for if I perceive heavy, I skip by as I know I will get confused and end up reading the same sentence somewhere in the middle over and over again until I get frustrated and give up.

This problem has taken three years for my tutors at college to understand, understand why I failed to read what has been set, for the structure is a problem to me, but now they and I know, I am not lazy, just challenged and so I have been awarded a bunch of learning aides to help me in my analysis of what I have to do.

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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 9:56:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

This was more to let those who weren't aware of a possible help, know. If you and others want to doubt the legitimacy of such a therapy then you do it at possibly your own detriment and maybe those who you say you love...It makes perfect sense and has been used around the world with great success but I knew if I posted it some close-mined asshole who is cock sure of himself/herself that they are right...not directed at you Aneirin.


whilst it might make perfect sense to you there are also valid criticism about their value out there

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/590537?src=rss

http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=329

also in regards to

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One was written by Dr. David Perlmutter from Naples Florida where He documented stroke victims that were bedridden for years and now are able to walk around.


I would not compare people suffering from a stroke with people having autism. I know myself someone who was paralised neck down due to a spinal cord compression and is now able to walk again thanks to aromatherapy, there is additional stuff out there which might help. However, I do see a difference between someone having suddenly a stroke compared to someone who is born with autism.





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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 9:56:57 AM   
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Sorry, the article construction is lost on me, as one of my asd related problems is a failure to be able to read anything where the structure of any wording is heavy. The above is heavy to me, too many words and symbols all together, it is why I write the way I do, in very short paragraphs with decent spacing in between. Another subject or train of thought deserves a new paragraph.

It is also why some on here may accuse me of not reading what they have quoted, for if I perceive heavy, I skip by as I know I will get confused and end up reading the same sentence somewhere in the middle over and over again until I get frustrated and give up.

This problem has taken three years for my tutors at college to understand, understand why I failed to read what has been set, for the structure is a problem to me, but now they and I know, I am not lazy, just challenged and so I have been awarded a bunch of learning aides to help me in my analysis of what I have to do.


Your not open to it to start with or you'd take the time to research it..It's a shame to because it might change your life for the better..as in concentration, focus and all around cognitive abilities.

It's being used for sports..both for recovery and enhancement...It's catching on finally here in the states and is being used for a multitude of things..all of which I have listed and more.

I believe in it enough and have done enough of my own research that I've come to a point where I'm thinking of putting down the $8000 for an in-home setup. I promise I wouldn't even think of spending that much money on anything that I wasn't pretty close to 100% sure it would work.


Turn your intellectual nose up to it if you want to.


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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 9:59:47 AM   
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I would not compare people suffering from a stroke with people having autism. I know myself someone who was paralised neck down due to a spinal cord compression and is now able to walk again thanks to aromatherapy, there is additional stuff out there which might help. However, I do see a difference between someone having suddenly a stroke compared to someone who is born with autism.


I'm not going to get into this...

I would compare it because it's relative..You obviously don't understand why. HBOT can help both


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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 10:02:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

quote:

Sorry, the article construction is lost on me, as one of my asd related problems is a failure to be able to read anything where the structure of any wording is heavy. The above is heavy to me, too many words and symbols all together, it is why I write the way I do, in very short paragraphs with decent spacing in between. Another subject or train of thought deserves a new paragraph.

It is also why some on here may accuse me of not reading what they have quoted, for if I perceive heavy, I skip by as I know I will get confused and end up reading the same sentence somewhere in the middle over and over again until I get frustrated and give up.

This problem has taken three years for my tutors at college to understand, understand why I failed to read what has been set, for the structure is a problem to me, but now they and I know, I am not lazy, just challenged and so I have been awarded a bunch of learning aides to help me in my analysis of what I have to do.


Your not open to it to start with or you'd take the time to research it..



And you appear not to be open to objective criticism. Many people on the boards don't like text which is just a huge bunch of of words without paragraphs...if they have autism or not.

Apart from that if he is interested he can do his research in text online which is much better organised and therefore easier to read than that article up there. I did not read it either as it takes a lot of energy to get through that one when other sources make it much easier to read.

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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 10:04:47 AM   
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whilst it might make perfect sense to you there are also valid criticism about their value out there

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/590537?src=rss

http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=329

also in regards to

I'm not going to create an account to look at the one link but the next one..well maybe you should reread that a few times..It isn't saying what you think it is.


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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 10:06:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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I would not compare people suffering from a stroke with people having autism. I know myself someone who was paralised neck down due to a spinal cord compression and is now able to walk again thanks to aromatherapy, there is additional stuff out there which might help. However, I do see a difference between someone having suddenly a stroke compared to someone who is born with autism.


I'm not going to get into this...

I would compare it because it's relative..You obviously don't understand why. HBOT can help both



woohoo, the ignorance of criticism obviously is a strong one with you.

newsflash I work since years with people with disabilities (physical and intellectual) and therefore know out of practice the difference it makes for people if they are born with autism or suffering from a stroke and therefore disagree to compare apples with pears. I believe a lot in alternative therapies. However, your comparison sucks as the reason behind it (the cause) and for its success (the result) differs. *snort*.

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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 10:07:34 AM   
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And you appear not to be open to objective criticism. Many people on the boards don't like text which is just a huge bunch of of words without paragraphs...if they have autism or not.

Apart from that if he is interested he can do his research in text online which is much better organised and therefore easier to read than that article up there. I did not read it either as it takes a lot of energy to get through that one when other sources make it much easier to read.

I don't see anything objective here genius and again..maybe you should really read something instead of reading into something..I actually suggested he do the research HIMSELF.

I don't suffer idiots easily so I apologize in advance.


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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 10:10:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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whilst it might make perfect sense to you there are also valid criticism about their value out there

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/590537?src=rss

http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=329

also in regards to

I'm not going to create an account to look at the one link but the next one..well maybe you should reread that a few times..It isn't saying what you think it is.



I see, you are a mindreader on top of it...how do you know what I "think" it says???

Guess what I can read

Both contain caution in it, thats all I pointed out. As there is no size fits all

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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 10:12:26 AM   
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Both contain caution in it, thats all I pointed out. As there is no size fits all

Yeah..caution..but nothing more. Nothing saying one single thing against it.


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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 10:53:45 AM   
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Icarys,

I do understand you were trying to bring help to where it might be considered, I applaud you for that, but from my own perspective I have personally decided I am what I am and whilst I am what I am I am happy with it, for it, a diagnosis has rid me of a lifetime of worry and self doubt, I actually like myself now, which is a massive positive for me and I no longer think of the ultimate option much any more, although it still remains an option for now, when I visit the dark paths, but with hope I will also pass that by in time.


I am in a time of learning, learning about myself as I am, what it means to be me now I have better knowledge, what may come next, I don't know, as I take each day as it comes but I have learned patience. It has taken me forty years to understand what I do now, I do not seek treatment to unlearn or change what I am now becoming very comfortable with, the reality of myself, open and honest wherever I can be.


Aye, I could do with some work towards focus, concentration and the cognitive abilities, but mine is to work on my own to a high standard where I narrow beam focus on the problem as it is, I am not a team player, but regards others, they can take me or leave me as I am happy with me and my abilities which I now understand I am free to develop as I see fit as problems to be overcome I see as fun to be had, I enjoy analysing and correcting faults.


In industry prior to my knowledge of my disorder, I was always thought to be taking jobs below my ability and of those jobs though a complete pain in the ass to the employer I was considered indispensable as my trouble shooting abilities were unparalleled in my line of work and where my interest wandered. I was successful in business, I made money by my means which suited my employers, my unorthodox approach reaped dividends, but it took a rare employer to give me free reign and put up with my foibles, because looking back, I was an annoying sod, my way was the right way and bollocks to the boss.


Personal relationships, well, they are a problem, I am happy being on my own, yet sometimes I seek companionship, but my social skills lack in that direction and have been even called a tease by ladies a term I never understood. But instead of continuously trying where I lack the skills I have adopted the belief that if there is someone out therefore me, then they will come with time,we will find each other when the time is right.


Education, I am now after a nervous breakdown in part time education, and can anyone believe it, I am struggling big time with what is a degree in Art, the practical is no problem, but the academia is. I wondered why I struggle so much when in the past I had obtained HNC's in electronic engineering, aeronautical engineering and civil engineering, and realised just what it is, mathematics, physics, engineering I seem to have no problem with, but anything that is not logical art for example I do. I am struggling basically with personal expression.

But one thing has come to me as I am understanding myself, I thrive on serving others, so as far as kink is concerned, I am submissive, where before I thought myself dominant, an interesting change and one in tune with reality not fantasy.


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RE: Possible help for Autism and a few other probems - 9/18/2010 11:05:46 AM   
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Education, I am now after a nervous breakdown in part time education, and can anyone believe it, I am struggling big time with what is a degree in Art, the practical is no problem, but the academia is. I wondered why I struggle so much when in the past I had obtained HNC's in electronic engineering, aeronautical engineering and civil engineering, and realised just what it is, mathematics, physics, engineering I seem to have no problem with, but anything that is not logical art for example I do. I am struggling basically with personal expression.


That actually makes sense to me because what is social interaction but a form of personal expression.

I realize you've come to terms with who you are and I'm not suggesting that you should look into it so it will "Cure" you from being you in the slightest. Maybe look at it as an athlete who would take nutritional supplements in hopes to feed his performance better. I'm not suggesting in the least bit that there is anything wrong with you. I just think it could help as I said before with quality of life.

I've taken medicine for ADHD before so I don't see it as anything different than that..I think it's worth a shot myself.


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