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MeenMrMustard -> How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/5/2010 6:53:09 PM)

This gal is onto something.




tazzygirl -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/5/2010 8:44:12 PM)

Im all for it.. provided its a two way street... [:D]




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/5/2010 9:01:57 PM)

It is hardly a new concept.

Although I find the whole way it was presented as ridiculous and offensive.

1) If I'm in a monogomous relationship, then I'm in a fucking monogomous relationship - because that's what my partner and I agreed to. If he cheats, he's a cheater and i'm not going to let any whore masquerading as a psychologist put the blame on me for his infidelities. He can damn well own his own lack of integrity.

2) I'm not going to give someone permission to cheat, simply because I'm sure they are going to cheat anyway. That's not the kind of relationship I want. If I am that insecure in the relationship and that insecure about my partner - I'm OUT.

3) If I'm in an OPEN RELATIONSHIP - it is because my partner and I WANT that for our MUTUAL happiness. Not because I'm afraid to lose him, or fear he can't be faithful. That kind of thinking is FUCKED THE HELL UP.







EbonyWood -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/5/2010 9:06:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

whore masquerading as a psychologist



You're so HOT, winnie.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/5/2010 9:26:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EbonyWood

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

whore masquerading as a psychologist



You're so HOT, winnie.


(blushes) I was, but I've cooled off now [:)]





Lockit -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/5/2010 9:45:14 PM)

Either way she is getting the guys money and thinks women should. Either by crossing their legs and allowing him to go outside the relationship to play while still retaining the goods or by spreading the legs at the tune of a thousand a week.

Since they are going to do it anyway, justify it, justify the greed and call it good head shrinkin and personal relationship skills.

Bah! Whatever is agreed to in a relationship I refer honesty and basing a decision like he will cheat anyway so if I want to keep him... on fear and manipulation or bartering... is very unappealing to me and not something I consider honest.

That's some real stupid shit from a so called educated person. I just want to call her Bucky Hill. You have the bucks, she will justify anything and say anything that aligns with it.




WyldHrt -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/5/2010 10:57:43 PM)

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This gal is onto something.

Really? Ready to spend $1000 a week from the household account for a piece on the side, OP? If so, I hope you are ready to pony up the same $1000 for the wife's hot young sugarstud. $104,000 a year to guarantee a 'happy marriage' instead of concentrating on sexually pleasing your spouse. Yep, good idea!  [:D]

Seriously, it's insulting all around. I think HotWin nailed it pretty well.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/08/03/negotiated.infidelity/index.html The funny thing here is that this chick says, all in the same breath, that many of her 'sugardaddies' preferred conversation with her (over sex) because their wives weren't giving them enough pussy..... huh???








heartcream -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/6/2010 7:01:57 AM)

Nah man, I dont dig this article and what she is putting forth. Even the name sucks, sugarbabe. A paid whore, yeah, no thanks.




sirsholly -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/6/2010 7:12:42 AM)

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If I'm in an OPEN RELATIONSHIP - it is because my partner and I WANT that for our MUTUAL happiness. Not because I'm afraid to lose him, or fear he can't be faithful. That kind of thinking is FUCKED THE HELL UP.
this is pretty insulting to the males level of integrity as well.




MeenMrMustard -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/6/2010 3:35:21 PM)

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Im all for it.. provided its a two way street...


I'm all for double standards favoring the male.

[:D]




MeenMrMustard -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/6/2010 3:39:45 PM)

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this is pretty insulting to the males level of integrity as well.


No integrity issues exist, if the male is upfront about all.




LanceHughes -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/6/2010 3:58:32 PM)

So, for gay males in a long-term relationship, we should just pay each other out of the household fund?  No wonder we've got more discretionary income than y'all.  LOL!

And when it "comes" to sugar-boys...... I'd say they don't charge anywhere near $1,000 / week.  Let's see, they get two men to play with them - maybe even the three-way mentioned in the article as "possible after awhile."

You can complete the list.

Maybe I should advertise as ..... nope, NOT SugarDaddy.  That means something totally different.  I know there's those double bottom relationships out there..... HMmmmmm......  SparkDaddy - I'll spark your bottom/bottom relationship <and maybe even spank it, too.>

Of course, they'll want me to pay my own re-location costs.  Oh, wait.... they've not seen the other side of that coin yet. LOL!





sexyred1 -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/6/2010 4:02:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

It is hardly a new concept.

Although I find the whole way it was presented as ridiculous and offensive.

1) If I'm in a monogomous relationship, then I'm in a fucking monogomous relationship - because that's what my partner and I agreed to. If he cheats, he's a cheater and i'm not going to let any whore masquerading as a psychologist put the blame on me for his infidelities. He can damn well own his own lack of integrity.

2) I'm not going to give someone permission to cheat, simply because I'm sure they are going to cheat anyway. That's not the kind of relationship I want. If I am that insecure in the relationship and that insecure about my partner - I'm OUT.

3) If I'm in an OPEN RELATIONSHIP - it is because my partner and I WANT that for our MUTUAL happiness. Not because I'm afraid to lose him, or fear he can't be faithful. That kind of thinking is FUCKED THE HELL UP.







Win says it all. How ridiculous of an article. Paying for insecurity. Fabulous.




LanceHughes -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/6/2010 4:36:58 PM)

Seriously, folks... this concept is NOT for those of us who post here.  We know to START with honesty from which flows trust.  We KNOW that sexual compatibilty is important to a relationship (whaether marriage or not.)  We KNOW to work hard to make sure that the dynamics of the relationship are satisfying and important to both (all?) involved.

Consider, however, the sexually frustated vanilla man.  His sexual needs are driving him.... he doesn't consider his infidelity as cheating.  He considers it release.  He loves his wife, but they are mis-matched as to libido.  The cost is high and he knows it.  Caught, he stands to lose alot.  He may very well lose her and the kids.  Respect in the community AND business, church, etc..... "Horny old bastard can't keep it in his pants."  Her private hurt is so great that she makes sure his public hurt is as great as hers through a messy divorice.  (Part of her private hurt might be her self-guilt at not getting a decent - if any - pre-nuptial agreement.)  People change over the years.  The man's integrity may be the same as years ago.... he just has an issue that has out-run his integrity.

Shades of gray, people, shades of gray......

This Sugarbabe seems to want people to stay together and cherish what brought them togther in the first place.  Far too often, men are physically attracted to the woman they marry and slowly learn that she is a wonderful woman and that they consider themselves very lucky.  On the other hand, women often marry for strength of character, enjoying the sexual component less and less - if they ever did.

Solution: let the man go lick the sugar, let the woman have relief from his annoying demands, especially if inappropriate and/or unacceptable to her.  (However, in my experience, BDSM will ALWAYS drive a couple apart.  This Sugarbabe is WAY out her depth on this issue.)

There is one thing in the article that bothers me........ "so often the men just want to talk."  HEY!  They don't need a Sugarbabe, they need a psychologist / psychiatrist.  Those of us in our 50s and 60s remember that seeing a psych meant you belonged on a funny-farm, locked up, and sedated.  The psychiatric field has come a long way.  As a matter of fact, I often say, "I'd rather deal with a person under treatment than one who is not."   Of course, the need for mental health counseling is a spectrum.  At $1,000 / week, I bet you can get some pretty good counseling.  So why have men ALWAYS gone to the whore-house to "just talk"?  You got it!  They don't want to talk to their life-mates about something - evidently so serious that the man doesn't want to burden his wife with it.  They go to the whore-house since there is a stigma with going to the shrink's office.  AND they know what to expect in the former and are afraid of what to expect in the latter.

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I'd like to point out that MeenMrMustard and EbonyWood and I are the only men to have posted.  MMM and I have taken a positive view of Sugarbabe's idea.  EbonyWood makes a non-endorsing comment.

ALL other posters are women, just slamming the idea as hard as they can.  LOL!  C'mon, ladies.  Please get off your high horses, and look at this idea from a non-salacious point of view.

To that end, here is (IMHO) a better question for this thread:  Do you think Sugarbabe's ideas ideas will make for better marriages and thereby lower the diviorice rate? (YOU get to define "better marriages" - LOL!)




juliaoceania -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/6/2010 4:37:35 PM)

As long as I am the sugarbabe and not the wife, I am okay with this[;)]




Twoshoes -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/6/2010 7:14:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

As long as I am the sugarbabe and not the wife, I am okay with this[;)]


Or even better, don't get married and stick to having a sugarbabe.

I wonder if you could convince someone to not marry you if you promised you'd pay them 100 k a year and treat them like your mistress. [;)] Feedback?




juliaoceania -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/6/2010 8:09:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Twoshoes

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

As long as I am the sugarbabe and not the wife, I am okay with this[;)]


Or even better, don't get married and stick to having a sugarbabe.

I wonder if you could convince someone to not marry you if you promised you'd pay them 100 k a year and treat them like your mistress. [;)] Feedback?


Where do I sign up? I am well educated, intelligent, conversant, and I like sex... I'm there!




TreasureKY -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/6/2010 9:40:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

ALL other posters are women, just slamming the idea as hard as they can.  LOL!  C'mon, ladies.  Please get off your high horses, and look at this idea from a non-salacious point of view.


I don't know, Lance... I get what you're saying, but then again, I think there's something going on here behind the posts that you may not be seeing.  Or maybe just haven't thought about.

I think men (in general) greatly misunderstand how women view relationships.  It isn't like we choose a mate solely for financial stability, for a house or family... we choose for lifetime companionship.  Companionship encompasses all aspects of our lives... the good and the bad. 

While I'm sure there are some out there, I doubt many women would be happy to have all the "concrete" benefits of marriage... the house, the children, financial stability, family vacations, the whole white picket fence thing... and be willing for some other woman to get the time, attention and affection... all the "good" stuff from her husband.

I honestly don't know many men who would want to be in that situation, either.  Imagine working to build a home and family together... only for some other man to get to be with that woman you fell in love with; the woman who listened intently when you talked, laughed at your lame jokes, flirted openly... the woman who took three hours to get ready to see you, wanting to look her best... the woman who tried in vain to understand football or learn about hockey just because you enjoyed them. 

Sure you'd still have the mother of your children, the woman who cleans the toilet and buys the groceries, who reminds you to pick up your socks and remembers to send your mother a card on her birthday... but is that all you want from a life companion?

*shrugs*  Seems like a cold, empty and lonely relationship to me.




tazzygirl -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/6/2010 10:53:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MeenMrMustard

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Im all for it.. provided its a two way street...


I'm all for double standards favoring the male.

[:D]



And thats why it would never fly.

Sorry, but im not in the frame of mind to listen to a paid whore tell me how to keep a man. And, frankly, i would really have to wonder about a man who would have to pay a whore to have a good time.




WyldHrt -> RE: How to make marriage more appealing to men! (8/6/2010 11:30:00 PM)

Wow  Lance, just wow. So many assumptions/ stereotypes there. Is this couple from the 1950s? While it is true that some women dislike sex and marry for security or to have kids, I would guess they are a very small minority these days, vanilla or not. Most women like good sex, good being the operative word here. I always love the guys who say that they aren't getting any because of their wife's lagging libido or because women don't enjoy sex as much as men. I'll bet most of them think that the buzzing they sometimes hear coming from the bathroom is an electric toothbrush, too. [8|] Ask the wives of these men why the legs are crossed. The answers are guaranteed to be enlightening.

The myth that most women don't really enjoy sex is actually the root cause of a lot of these so-called 'libido' problems, along with the fact that many men change when their hot girlfriend becomes their wife, and worse, the mother of their children. The beginning of the end is often when he starts treating her the way he thinks a 'wife and mother' should be treated. How many men who come here to looking to cheat and are asked, "Have you discussed what you want with your wife?" answer with "Oh no, she would never be into that! They don't actually know whether she would or not, but in their minds a wife shouldn't like or want things like that. This is that vanilla equivalent of male Doms who fall in love with their masochistic submissives, then no longer want to hurt them.

Other men are just plain selfish in the bedroom. They apparently believe the 'women don't like sex' BS and make no effort to find out what gets her motor running, or to do those things that were so hot for her when they were dating. Most women will only take "1...2...3....roll over...snore" type sex for so long before deciding that is just isn't worth the effort. Amusingly enough, many men will do sexual things for their mistress that they won't for their wife... and even if they don't, at $1000 a week I doubt that a 'sugarbabe' is going to tell him that he sucks in bed.

On the females' side, if more of them would come clean and tell hubby that sex with him has become as exciting as watching paint dry, he might make a bit more effort in the bedroom and she might be spending less on batteries. Unlike men, women who go unsatisfied for too long will redirect that energy (and usually start collecting cats), at which point the old 'libido' argument becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. All too often, it is a viscous cycle where the woman, not getting her needs met, plays 'tit for tat' by stopping the BJs he loves and crossing her legs. Hey, she isn't getting off, so why should he?

While it's true that some women lose interest in sex after they get married or have kids, I'm betting that the numbers are very small compared to the situations I described above. The issue is often not that 'people change over the years', it is that communication has been stunted (if it was ever there to begin with) to the point where neither spouse will tell the other that their sexual needs are not being met. Instead of dealing with the problem, they both ignore it and get more and more frustrated. The next step is usually that one or both start cheating. On that note, if most women really abhor sex so much, why do so many cheat?

I also think it's very funny that the 2 men so far who think that this is a good idea seem to have skipped over the part where it goes both ways, and the woman will also be allowed to take on a lover or lovers. I wonder how MrMustard up there would react if his wife were to say, "Sorry hon, you'll have to get your own dinner tonight. I'm horny, so I'm going over to John's place so he can rock my world". I'm betting that most men who think this is a great idea only think it's great for men, because women really don't like sex that much anyway. [sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif]

Whew! All that said, I think that if a couple has good enough communication to 'negotiate' infidelity, they really shouldn't have to unless one or the other truly has no interest in sex. In that case, for me, the marriage would be over anyway. Having lived
in a sexless marriage (his idea, not mine) for several years, it is not a road that I would ever take again. Which leads me to this:
quote:

To that end, here is (IMHO) a better question for this thread:  Do you think Sugarbabe's ideas ideas will make for better marriages and thereby lower the diviorice rate? (YOU get to define "better marriages" - LOL!)

Depends on how you define marriage. I could not be married to someone without a heavy sexual component to the relationship. It would feel like having a roommate instead of a spouse to me.





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